Re: right-click on Macs

I think it is option-click. At least, that's the way I've done it using a uni-button mouse (because, you can, of course, get a true right-click using a 3rd party mouse on a Mac should you so need). Judy On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, Charles Silverman wrote: > Is there a way to get the right-click when Re

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

Still, you will have those who are learning it for the first time (e.g., my heart surgeon previously mentioned, children, etc.) for whom a single buttoned mouse is preferrable. Also -- for how many of the 'average' users will right-clicking be well understood? > While learnability is important,

Re: right-click on Macs

Charles Silverman wrote: Is there a way to get the right-click when Rev is running on Mac OS X machines to bring up Apple's Application wide contextual menu? Do you mean system-wide? Which apps support that? It'd be nice to have access to it, and it's equivalent on Windows too if there is

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

Jeffrey Reynolds wrote: I dare say that apple has it right, start simple and when you advance you can buy a multibutton mouse that fits your brain (mine has 5). Apple users are smart enough to realize this, pc users, well... now I'll duck! sorry apple bashing poking gets a response from me.

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

I gotta say after teaching folks how to use computers since back in jr high in the mid 70s, if you can simplify something when you start out, it helps. folks that have pointed out that not everyone is a computer expert that buys a computer is very true. I still come across folks that have had a

right-click on Macs

Is there a way to get the right-click when Rev is running on Mac OS X machines to bring up Apple's Application wide contextual menu? It makes sense to let the user access these features... I've gotten used to the built-in dictionary feature, spell-checking and highlighting a word or phrase

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

Judy Perry wrote: I knowe you and others doubtless believe this. So, a uni-button mouse scores higher on 2 out of 3. Not bad. As for 3, productivity, that's something that comes later, as an advanced skill The majority of people who buy computers today have used one before. There are no dou

Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 23, Issue 9

On Aug 2, 2005, at 6:54 PM, John Vokey wrote: This is even stranger: there are no idle loops, etc., but under 10.4.2, it uses upwards of 85% CPU time (and the fans come on for both my G5s and my powerbooks), but drops to virtually nothing under 10.3.x. This is a serious, but peculiar bug.

Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 23, Issue 10

On Aug 2, 2005, at 6:32 PM, John Vokey wrote: Nope. Thumbsize is 11. One other strange change: a grey bar occurs a few pixels below the slider that doesn't appear with any previous version of OS X. Bug 3043 has been posted in BugZilla to get this fixed. Mark Talluto -- CANELA Softwar

numToChar(28) in list field

I have a list field where the items on each line are delimited with numToChar(28). This works fine when I edit the content of the list field using a script. However, when I edit it using an object inspector window the item delimiters all change to numToChar(215). This is easy enough to work

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly --a rose by any other name...

That's an interesting observation... the deaf for years have been clamouring for such tactile devices, particularly for gaming, and the visually impaired for, well, just about everything else I suspect. 'Twould be nice... The puck sucked, though. But my kids like it (their hands are small enough

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

Chipp, I use two-button mice when I teach on the PC platform. I've played around with 3-button mice a bit. I have a 4-button programmable Kensington trackball (and a two-button Stingray trackball that offers true right-clickability). In addition to reading and agreeing with Raskin (although I t

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

I knowe you and others doubtless believe this. So, a uni-button mouse scores higher on 2 out of 3. Not bad. As for 3, productivity, that's something that comes later, as an advanced skill, much as does a 3 button mouse or an 8-chord transcription device. As I'm guessing that the purpose of the

Re: when can I set a substack's properties?

Very, very nifty. It's making me think about redesigning the main- stack / complicated-dialog relation I'm working on. Many thanks. Charles On Aug 2, 2005, at 8:46 PM, Phil Davis wrote: Hi Charles, You can do a LOT with a substack without officially opening it. - I'm assuming you're talkin

Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 23, Issue 9

This is even stranger: there are no idle loops, etc., but under 10.4.2, it uses upwards of 85% CPU time (and the fans come on for both my G5s and my powerbooks), but drops to virtually nothing under 10.3.x. This is a serious, but peculiar bug. BTW, Mark's solution won't work as I have no

Re: use-revolution Digest, Vol 23, Issue 10

Nope. Thumbsize is 11. One other strange change: a grey bar occurs a few pixels below the slider that doesn't appear with any previous version of OS X. On 2-Aug-05, at 6:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is it possible the thumbsize of the slider is 0? This tends to slow down rev enormously

Re: Flashing numbers added to Number Picker stack.

Thanks for the script but I can't get it to work. I get the error: TypeHandler: error in command Object Button Lineon MakeList DerNumber Hinton I'm too new at this to figure it out. Any ideas? Thanks, Doug Gilliland Sarasota, FL On 7/31/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wro

open drawer bug 3026

Using Rev 2.6 I noticed that when opening a stack as a drawer it does not slide open smoothly (as in Rev2.5.1) but simply snaps open. It does close with the standard drawer effect. I've submitted a BugZilla report, 3026, if anyone else would care to cast a vote. -Scott Morrow Elementary Sof

Re: Rev quits on stack removed from memory?

Hi Charles, I, too, have seen this happen. I'm pretty sure it has something to do with the breakpoints in your stacks. Try this if you can produce a recipe where it predictably quits: After you close your stacks and before you click on menu, or close the scripts-- type and execute in the msg

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly --a rose by any other name...

Bill Vlahos wrote: The only real concern I have is in the feedback to the user of actions. A nice tactile feel and click is a good thing. I've never really liked the idea of sounds (like from a little speaker in the mouse) as the only feedback. We will have to try it to see. I'm with yo

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

Judy Perry wrote: Whew! I'm feeling better already. I'm in agreement with Raskin on the uni-button mouse being preferrable for error-reduction. Judy, Good duck and cover ;-) Never using a computer in the first place reduces errors to nill...does that make it preferrable? Just wondering, how

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly --a rose by any other name...

They say it can act like a single button mouse if you like but it actually IS a multi-button mouse. I'll have to see it to see how well it works but there are sensors in the front for both a left and right mouse button action. It looks interesting. I really like my Kensington Optical Elite

Re: when can I set a substack's properties?

One forgotten yet exciting (?) detail: Phil Davis wrote: -- snip -- You can do all these same things to any unopened stack. But in the case of an unopened stack that's not already in memory, the first thing that happens when you "touch" it in any way is that is gets loaded into memory. This me

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

Judy Perry wrote: Whew! I'm feeling better already. I'm in agreement with Raskin on the uni-button mouse being preferrable for error-reduction. And the one-key keyboard. Hardly any typing mistakes using that :-) (I know, I know: I'm ducking the expected onslaught of people who swear

Re: when can I set a substack's properties?

Hi Charles, You can do a LOT with a substack without officially opening it. - I'm assuming you're talking about a substack of a stack that's already open. If so, the substack is already in memory. - You can get/set its properties. - You can run its handlers by invoking them directly: send

Re: global problems

On Aug 2, 2005, at 6:13 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: In any language I've worked with, you declare a global and it stays in memory until you delete it or quit the program. I don't know of any language that deletes globals automatically based on whether the app closes or opens files from disk.

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

Judy Perry wrote: Whew! I'm feeling better already. I'm in agreement with Raskin on the uni-button mouse being preferrable for error-reduction. Three factors come into play, with error-reduction being one of them. The other is productivity, and a third being learnability. I have no doubt R

Re: While waiting for XP support....

Richard Gaskin wrote: Good news for us developers: its appearance is very much like a slightly less candy-colored variant of OS X, so any graphic treatments in your UIs will look much more at home on both platforms I know this is not the appropriate forum, but I have to say it. I just lo

Re: Rev IDE bug in Win XP script windows

I really don't believe it is a Rev problem. The system is doing other whacky stuff and we are having a technician coming in to analyze the hard drive. My suspicion is "no virus, no Rev problem, bad sector or something" Jim Ault Las Vegas On 8/2/05 4:22 PM, "Richard Gaskin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

Whew! I'm feeling better already. I'm in agreement with Raskin on the uni-button mouse being preferrable for error-reduction. (I know, I know: I'm ducking the expected onslaught of people who swear by the right-click with an eye on whether they'd be equally enthusiastic about using a Unix 3-butt

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly --a rose by any other name...

Folks, I hate to rain on your parade, but it IS a single button mouse. Apple goes to great pains to point this fact out, just so they can say they have not abandoned the single button mouse philosophy. There is a single button. The touch sensors are on the left and right sides (like ho

Re: when can I set a substack's properties?

Thanks. Two details just to check -- On Aug 2, 2005, at 7:46 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: I suspect it'll be just fine in the standlone. I've done this a few times as I recall and haven't seen any negative consequences. And the same with a stack to be run under the Player? (I have Dreamcard; no st

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

On Aug 2, 2005, at 8:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just joking, Andre. PL ;-) (I am thinking if someone will write some software to reprogram the mouse randomly...) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit

Re: when can I set a substack's properties?

I suspect it'll be just fine in the standlone. I've done this a few times as I recall and haven't seen any negative consequences. Another way of doing this -- I mention it because when I do, people often say, "I didn't know you could do that!" -- is to use the open invisible option on the s

Re: Rev quits on stack removed from memory?

I've seen things like this over the years but I'm not ever quite sure what causes it because I haven't been able to recreate it consistently. For example, I just did exactly what you describe three times without a single crash. I've disciplined myself not to leave script editor windows open

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

Just joking, Andre. PL ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Re: Rev quits on stack removed from memory?

Charles, I had the same problem - a lot, just learned to always close scripts before closing their stacks. Yes, Rev should handle this. Paul Looney ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, u

Rev quits on stack removed from memory?

I haven't seen this often enough to be sure -- but it _seems_ to me that if I have a couple of scripts open for editing, and close-and- remove-from-memory the stack they belong to, and then as an afterthought try to close those script windows, then Rev dies (Close, Reopen, Report to Apple).

when can I set a substack's properties?

I'm not clear about when a substack "exists." I want to set some custom properties in a substack from a script in the main stack, and it would be a lot handier if I could do it before issuing the "open" command for the substack. It seems to work OK during my development cycle in the IDE. Bu

Re: Help, what am I doing wrong???

At 10:24 PM -0400 7/30/2005, Dennis Brown wrote: I never had any trouble remembering that something in a loop variable is a copy, because that is what I would expect. However, it appears that what we have is just a label, not really a variable --that is until we exit the loop, then we have a v

Re: OS X 10.4 vs. 10.3 incompatibility

Is it possible the thumbsize of the slider is 0? This tends to slow down rev enormously in Tiger (may be also in older OS but can't test it anymore) Setting it to 1 resolves this problem. Greetings, Wouter On 02 Aug 2005, at 23:55, John Vokey wrote: I have encountered a strange system incomp

Re: Rev IDE bug in Win XP script windows

Jim Ault wrote: Continuing saga... corruption now affecting more programs.. time for disk clean up. Thanks for the good info. Doesn't sound like corruption of the Rev files. But if this is recurring has anyone BZ'd it? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___

Re: Rev IDE bug in Win XP script windows

Continuing saga... corruption now affecting more programs.. time for disk clean up. Thanks for the good info. (Note: reinstall of Rev worked for about an hour, client was surprised that he had XP Home edition and will upgrade) Jim Ault Las Vegas On 8/1/05 10:25 AM, "MisterX" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: global problems

Jon wrote: I agree: it is unfortunate that the original language designers used the term "global" to mean "persistent global". Had they separated the concept of scope from the concept of variable duration/lifetime, the language would have been equally powerful while being easier to understand.

Re: global problems

I agree: it is unfortunate that the original language designers used the term "global" to mean "persistent global". Had they separated the concept of scope from the concept of variable duration/lifetime, the language would have been equally powerful while being easier to understand. Jon Mar

Re: global problems> benefits

Hypertalk, as I understood it from the beginning, was to be a free-form style of programming that allowed interacting with many stacks, even hundreds on multiple drives and computers. One major concept was the navigation to prev>next>recent>push card>pop card. All this could involve 'jumping' to

Re: global problems

I agree (with everybody), of course. But it is true that until this thread came up I didn't think to look in the Variable Watcher for signs of this. There were a couple of globals that I had declared at an earlier experimental stage of development of this project, still hanging around witho

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

On Aug 2, 2005, at 6:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, Knowing Apple, the mouse will probably have a proprietary port - that only works on MacTels ;-) PL On the page they say its PC-Compatible... Andre ___ use-revolution mailing lis

Re: Revolution filepath to Applescript file: how to?

I am looking for a script to convert a filepath to an Applescript file statement. For example: "/Users/toto/Desktop/Image 6.png" => file "Image 6.png" in the folder "Desktop" in home You need the revMacfromUnixPath function. To use your example file path: revMacFromUnixPath("/Users/toto/De

Re: OS X 10.4 vs. 10.3 incompatibility

On Aug 2, 2005, at 2:55 PM, John Vokey wrote: I have encountered a strange system incompatibility. Stacks that ran/run fine under Mac OS X 10.3.x, produce the following peculiar behaviour under 10.4.2 (whether using the MC or RR IDE). I have a slider in a group that also contains a defau

OS X 10.4 vs. 10.3 incompatibility

I have encountered a strange system incompatibility. Stacks that ran/ run fine under Mac OS X 10.3.x, produce the following peculiar behaviour under 10.4.2 (whether using the MC or RR IDE). I have a slider in a group that also contains a default (throbbing) button, which is to be clicked w

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

Richard, Knowing Apple, the mouse will probably have a proprietary port - that only works on MacTels ;-) PL ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription

Re: global problems

Hi all, I was very busy and did not follow accurately this thread. I don't speak English very well but I know what global means: global means global :-) If you can empty a global, delete it from memory when needed, where is the problem? You can use good scripting conventions to be sure that l

Re: [OT] Pigs Fly

On Aug 2, 2005, at 5:12 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Just as I'd heard from Punxatawny Phil, the Prognosticator of Prognosticators, Apple is finally joining the rest of the industry in shipping a multi-button mouse for its customers: New Mouse for Macs Has Multiple Buttons

Re: global problems

Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Tuesday, August 2, 2005, 8:07:41 AM, you wrote: Globals are necessary when one has a suite of stacks that must interact as a unit. One very common example is a "find" handler. Assume a number of data stacks, each a clone of the others. A handler asks what you want t

Re: Revolution filepath to Applescript file: how to?

On 8/2/05 2:12 PM, "Joel Guillod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Ken , > > Yes, I would be pleased to get your conversion routine. > > My problem is that I dont know exactly know how to convert in MacOSX > (MacOS9?) > from: "/Users/toto/Desktop/Image 6.png" > to: "Main HD:Users:toto:Desktop:Image

[OT] Pigs Fly

Just as I'd heard from Punxatawny Phil, the Prognosticator of Prognosticators, Apple is finally joining the rest of the industry in shipping a multi-button mouse for its customers: New Mouse for Macs Has Multiple Buttons

Re: global problems

Mark Wieder wrote: Jacque- Tuesday, August 2, 2005, 8:07:41 AM, you wrote: Globals are necessary when one has a suite of stacks that must interact as a unit. One very common example is a "find" handler. Assume a number of data stacks, each a clone of the others. A handler asks what you want t

Re: Revolution filepath to Applescript file: how to?

Joel, I think you'll find this useful. http://www.satimage.fr/software/en/file_paths.html Basically, there are native AppleScript methods for dealing with POSIX style paths. - Brian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com P

Re: Revolution filepath to Applescript file: how to?

Ken , Yes, I would be pleased to get your conversion routine. My problem is that I dont know exactly know how to convert in MacOSX (MacOS9?) from: "/Users/toto/Desktop/Image 6.png" to: "Main HD:Users:toto:Desktop:Image 6.png" or from: "/Volumes/My Device/toto/Image 6.png" to ...? Thanks very

Re: global problems

Jacque- Tuesday, August 2, 2005, 8:07:41 AM, you wrote: > Globals are necessary when one has a suite of stacks that must interact > as a unit. One very common example is a "find" handler. Assume a number > of data stacks, each a clone of the others. A handler asks what you want > to find and puts

RE: Text fonts of text and text fields

Set the textfont of char 1 to -1 of field "myField" to... -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Hurley Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2005 2:26 PM To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Text fonts of text and text fields I am learning a lot

Text fonts of text and text fields

I am learning a lot more about font than I really wanted to know. I see now that the textfont of the field is not necessarily the same as the text in that field--how else could you have multiple fonts in a field. So I can set the testFont of the field easily in script: Set the textFont of fi

Re: While waiting for XP support....

Richard, Looks like Microsoft has done a fair job of copying Puma (OS X 10.1) - and there is still time to copy Panther (10.3), maybe even a bit of Tiger (10.4)! It is especially encouraging to see Microsoft is soliciting opinions 18 months before the product is released - they might a

Re: Spotlight indexing: feature request proposal

On Aug 2, 2005, at 7:54 AM, david bovill wrote: So you mean use your "qtSave" function after editing? Also need to look into being able to author subtitle support for MPEG4 and Teletext for cable broadcast... any links appreciated. If you are using 0.6.0 then yes. In the 1.0 beta it is qt

A Couple of Simple Physics Simulations

Hello all, I just uploaded a couple of simple Physics Simulations to the User Spaces. It's entitled Physics Stuff, and you can find it in the Education Category or by my name RogerG. Cheers, Roger ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@li

Re: re : Objet : [OT] Software Carpentry

Pierre Sahores wrote: Hello All, Major advances in programming come when languages start offering support for things the best programmers are doing anyway For loops and if/then/else formalized what good Fortran programmers were already doing Objects formalized the way good C, Pascal, and Li

Re: Revolution filepath to Applescript file: how to?

On 8/2/05 2:20 AM, "Joel Guillod" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I am looking for a script to convert a filepath to an Applescript > file statement. For example: >"/Users/toto/Desktop/Image 6.png" => file "Image 6.png" in the > folder "Desktop" in home Joel, have you considered converting to a

RE: please help with "on playStopped"

Thanks Jacqueline. That solved the problem. - > Hello everyone, > > > I have a list of songs (scrolling list field "list"): > > I put this script so when user select a song, then start the player > > on selectionchan

Re: global problems

xbury- Monday, August 1, 2005, 11:48:56 PM, you wrote: > Seems like a shoot-yourself-in-your-own foot script to me ;) It is indeed. I'm quite aware of how to get in trouble using globals . What I was looking for was an example of why semi-persistent globals (sticky only during the current sessio

Re: global problems

Chipp- Tuesday, August 2, 2005, 12:07:24 AM, you wrote: > I have a splashscreen stack which manages updates via my own MagicCarpet > Auto-update application architecture. It creates a global from a > download URL prefs file for the domain where the stack and all the > plugins reside, then downl

Re: global problems

Mark Wieder wrote: And I still can't imagine a scenario in which you would want a global left over from a previous stack *only for that session*. I'll warrant that I may still be missing something VERY basic, but it still makes no sense to me. Globals are necessary when one has a suite of stac

Using Rev as a (PGP) Package installer

Never tried this, but have always wandered whether the ability to store binary data as a custom property could be used for a nice advanced easy binary package installation? What's the best way of providing a Rev based interface to make it easy to install packages such as openPGP? FTP and sh

Re: Turtle Graphics

With that notation, I would have guessed you were a C developer :). Just copied the notation from the web - wish I could - don't have the patience! ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, u

Re: Spotlight indexing: feature request proposal

Thanks - trying out your fab external now... On 1 Aug 2005, at 22:17, Trevor DeVore wrote: You can also use the EnhancedQT external to set and get movie annotations (qtSetMovieAnnotation and qtGetMovieAnnotation) but you have to do a save as to save the movie after wards since Rev doesn'

Re: please help with "on playStopped"

Ban Nguyen wrote: Hello everyone, I have a list of songs (scrolling list field "list"): I put this script so when user select a song, then start the player on selectionchanged set the fileName of player "myPlayer" to the selectedtext of field "list" start player "myPlayer" end selectionch

Re: update on "Weird OS9 runtime problem->losing database connection"

Another thought I had, and maybe this is the obvious, but have you double checked to make sure all your variables are declared where they need to be? You mentioned that the code that connects to the database and the code that retrieves data are in separate locations. So do you connect to

Re: ANN Full justification

Hi Jim, This handler works great! :-) I noticed that you included two justify buttons. In the second button, this line seems to hang my development environment: put char tNum-10 to tNum of tOrig into tChars Why does this happen? Thanks a lot for sharing this handler! :-) al on Mon, 1 Aug 20

Re: global problems

it's not different. The global is persistent until you delete it. So if you delete your global and rerun your script (as you would recompile in other langs), the global wont show up again. I thought i had demonstrated that with my script in the little mail following the question yesterday...

Re: global problems

"In other languages, if you removed all references to a global and recompiled, of course it would disappear...? " Exactly! This is SO counterintuitive, no matter how useful it might be I NEVER would have even considered that the language might behave in this way. Another issue for the Intro

OS9 standalone builder problem

Last OS9 problem for this project (I hope...) I have a stack located on my desktop of my OS9 Mac with the name "OTS.REV" When I try to create a standalone, RR asks me to save the stack (and all substacks). When I click on OK I get the error "Can't save stack "OTS" due to an error. Can't ope

[alt] While waiting for XP support....

For an alternative take on Vista (aka Longhorn, the upcoming Win OS) see http://babbleblog.tutv.co.uk/item/541 /H Richard wrote: While we're still waiting for Rev to give the same level of support for XP niceties they've given to OS X, here's a glimpse of what's coming in 2006 (or 2007 o

re : Objet : [OT] Software Carpentry

Nice Pierre > Java try to be... XTalks (Metacard, Rev, > Supercard,..) are, pratically, doing what the author expect to get > from J2EE ;-) Except for one small detail... threading... ;) XB - Visit us at http://www.clearstream.com

Re: global problems

Ken Norris wrote: At the risk of repeating myself, again, you just need to be aware of how it works, that's all. Whatever Rev thing is running retains the globals declared within it until it is closed. This convention was established in 1987 by the inventors of the root dialect, HyperTalk. G

re : Objet : [OT] Software Carpentry

Hello All, Major advances in programming come when languages start offering support for things the best programmers are doing anyway For loops and if/then/else formalized what good Fortran programmers were already doing Objects formalized the way good C, Pascal, and Lisp programmers managed

Revolution filepath to Applescript file: how to?

I am looking for a script to convert a filepath to an Applescript file statement. For example: "/Users/toto/Desktop/Image 6.png" => file "Image 6.png" in the folder "Desktop" in home My current version is as below but it does not deal with files outside the /Users directory. Who can help

Re: global problems

Sure, here's a good example of exactly what you're talking about. I have a splashscreen stack which manages updates via my own MagicCarpet Auto-update application architecture. It creates a global from a download URL prefs file for the domain where the stack and all the plugins reside, then d