Re: On-Rev / Off-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Can a language exist without an IDE? Yes, look at the Bourne Shell. Until recently it existed without an IDE other than your ordinary text editor. Recently its been supplied with two IDEs of sorts, the Gnome one, Zenity, and the KDE one. Or look at AWK, it still has only a text editor as IDE.

Re: RunRevLive.09

2009-05-30 Thread Mark Wieder
Richmond- Saturday, May 30, 2009, 12:55:51 PM, you wrote: > I'll certainly think about things. :) A good idea would be to bring a usb flash drive or several. Put the stuff you want to distribute on it and have plenty of room for more. -- -Mark Wieder mwie...@ahsoftware.net _

Re: on-Rev updates.

2009-05-30 Thread Alex Tweedly
Bill Marriott wrote: There has actually been one update to the on-Rev client since launch, which added the ability to edit txt, html, and other non-irev text files. There is another one around the corner, features TBA. Cool - that's what I needed to know. I'll hold off on any development of

Re: on-Rev updates.

2009-05-30 Thread Alex Tweedly
Andre Garzia wrote: Alex, I have working code for file uploads, do you want it? :D Yes please. Ideally, either post it to a forum (maybe you already did and I missed it :-), or post to this list (assuming it's something you are offering generally), or add a simple form + upload to the sampl

Re: RunRevLive.09

2009-05-30 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Um. I'll certainly think about things. :) I think it would be rather good if as many people could bring as many 'give-aways' to the table as possible (whether on physical media - CDs, DVDs and so on - or aetherial media, as per your suggestion) for the conference. After all, as well as all the

Re: on-Rev and use-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Mark Wieder
Bill- Saturday, May 30, 2009, 12:10:42 PM, you wrote: > Well consider it acknowledged and expectations set. It's solidly in the > "nice to have" category, behind "must have." Thanks. Good to know. And I agree with you that being able to access the web resources through something like gmane would

RunRevLive.09 (was: Re: on-Rev and use-Rev)

2009-05-30 Thread Bill Marriott
Hi Richmond, > If the answer is YES, should I burn 5 or 50 Ideas??? CDs are "so 2006!" ... How about making a nice web site with your stuff instead? Saving natural resources, lighter baggage and all that. If you want a physical memento for people, you could print up a couple pages of "bu

DataGrid

2009-05-30 Thread Beat Cornaz
What a wonderful job, Trevor. It is truly amazing. Just 2 days ago a was pointed to the DataGrid. It helped me solve a problem I was struggling with for quite a while. Since I have bee playing with it andI worked through 2 months worth of list emails to dig out the questions on the Datagri

Re: on-Rev and use-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Bill Marriott
Mark, Well consider it acknowledged and expectations set. It's solidly in the "nice to have" category, behind "must have." - Bill Mark Wieder writes, > But "some time in the future" is an interesting phrase, considering > that this same request has been made for the runrev forum since its > in

Re: [On-Rev] Webdisk not reliable; irev as a table constructor

2009-05-30 Thread Bill Marriott
Hello Dom, I find the web disk functionality (WebDAV) -- *regardless* of hosting provider or control panel technology -- is really only useful for uploading a single file or quickly previewing images, etc. I've never liked it for bulk uploads/downloads as I find the performance and reliability

Re: on-Rev and use-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Mark Wieder
Bill- Saturday, May 30, 2009, 12:57:48 AM, you wrote: > I too would prefer to receive all forum posts in email, or more ideally a > gateway for newsgroup readers. It's something we have discussed and put on > our "to do" list for some time in the future. Unfortunately, our human > bandwidth right

Re: on-Rev and use-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Colin Holgate
On May 30, 2009, at 2:07 PM, Mark Wieder wrote: ??? You get forum messages as emails ??? Are we talking about the same thing? Possibly not. Someone mention a use revolution forum, and this email list is use-revolution@lists.runrev.com, so I thought for a moment that it was the same thin

Re: on-Rev and use-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Oh Dear, Oh Dear: Mark! When will you realise that time is relative. :) While I'm here I was wondering whether I should 'bung' all the original stacks from which I have built standalones for my EFL school on a CD to "throw around" at the Edinburgh conference. In the great scheme of things they

Re: on-Rev and use-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Mark Wieder
Jim- Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:58:50 PM, you wrote: > This is a mailing list, and about 18 months ago the runrev.com site > (or some other domain) established forums to handle the various > topics, such as newbie, database, graphics, what-Rev-should-have, etc. ...three years ago by my count...

Re: on-Rev and use-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Mark Wieder
Colin- Friday, May 29, 2009, 9:37:58 PM, you wrote: > I'm confused now. on-rev has only been around for a few weeks, so how > would talk of it be around a few months ago? And are we talking about > getting forum messages as emails? That's already how I get these ones. Sorry - I was referring to

Re: On-Rev / Off-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Petrides, M.D. Marian
Oh, really? I looked long and hard for a crossplatform successor to Hypercard for many years before I found Rev in 1999 or 2000. And I haven't found a viable competitor since then. What makes you think there will be one in the future and what's more that it will be a fraction as good as R

Re: On-Rev / Off-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Thank you very much, Bill, for taking the time to write such a clear explanation that really does answer all my concerns. Mind you, somebody is bound to come along, sooner or later, and take issue with "RunRev is the unchallenged steward of that legacy today"! :) Let's hope that when (and it

[On-Rev] Webdisk not reliable; irev as a table constructor

2009-05-30 Thread Dom
I tempted to make some modifications to my "medard" On-Rev web site with the Web Disk ... to transfer a "sub-site" to another directory, i.e. to put "pensées", which contain shots of pansies, to the "photos" directory The result was very strange: the folder are transferred -- but emptied, and pref

Re: On-Rev / Off-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Bill Marriott
Richmond, > The reason I asked the question that I did was because of what you wrote > re the language and the IDE: > > "we consider our product to be the language, not merely the desktop IDE" > > as if the language and the IDE were, in some way, capable of independent > existences. Well, they ar

Re: On-Rev / Off-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Richmond Mathewson
The reason I asked the question that I did was because of what you wrote re the language and the IDE: "we consider our product to be the language, not merely the desktop IDE" as if the language and the IDE were, in some way, capable of independent existences. I am well aware that the language c

Re: On-Rev / Off-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Bill Marriott
Richmond, > What I am very interested to know is when the language "took flight" and > became completely independent of the desktop IDE . . . . I don't recall there ever being a concern about discussing CGI scripts here. And you've got it backwards. Server scripting didn't become independent of

Re: On-Rev / Off-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Thanks Sarah, must have missed that udring one of my "yogic sleeps". :) Of course, we could use this to get off onto an endless (and, probably ultimately, fruitless) discussion about the desktop IDE versus the language. What I am very interested to know is when the language "took flight" and

Re: on-Rev updates.

2009-05-30 Thread Bill Marriott
Alex, > Any chance of an update soon ? > Or of a schedule for when there might be one ? There has actually been one update to the on-Rev client since launch, which added the ability to edit txt, html, and other non-irev text files. There is another one around the corner, features TBA. We only

Re: on-Rev and use-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Bill Marriott
Mark, > This is another of those threads that pop up every few months or so. > While I certainly agree and add my "me too" to the list, I seriously > doubt that anyone in the mothership cares. Or pays any attention to > these threads at all. I too would prefer to receive all forum posts in email,

Re: On-Rev / Off-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Sarah Reichelt
On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 5:15 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: > I am beginning to wonder if there should not be a second Use-List for > those people who use the On-Rev service, so that those off us who > don't, don't have our in-boxes flooded by messages that are not all > that relevant to what we ar

On-Rev / Off-Rev

2009-05-30 Thread Richmond Mathewson
I am beginning to wonder if there should not be a second Use-List for those people who use the On-Rev service, so that those off us who don't, don't have our in-boxes flooded by messages that are not all that relevant to what we are doing. ___ use-revolu