Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.

2008-12-08 Thread Mikey
OK, to sum, we have a couple of opinions on a client distro. Do we have a recommendation on Debian vs. Mandriva? This is a lappie. What am I giving up by punting on Ubuntu? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit th

Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.

2008-12-07 Thread Peter Alcibiades
Mikey-3 wrote: > > > 2) On a client, why is Debian better? For servers, you could make any > argument for any distro and I'm sure it would make sense on one level > or another, but I'm putting this on my lappie. > > Its better because you don't have the upgrade/reinstall problem in the same

Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.

2008-12-07 Thread Mikey
Uh, Richmond, yeah. Oops. Just making up for the fact that half the list calls me "Mickey" for some reason. I can understand the other half calling me "ignorant", but I digress... ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please v

[OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.

2008-12-07 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Mikey wrote: "Sorry, Richard . . ." Who is 'Richard' ? Sure hope he appreciated your apologies. Love, Richmond :) A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. _

Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.

2008-12-07 Thread Mikey
Trying to get the responses all in one: 1) I really hate Solaris, period. I hate it on our Sun boxes, too. Maybe that's because the commands seem very clunky compared to HP-UX. I hate the interfaces. I haven't tried OS, but I can't imagine that it's shed its legacy. 2) On a client, why is Debian

Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.

2008-12-07 Thread Mikey
Sorry, Richard, I was just trying to help you get around it. There are other issues as well. For example, in a clean 8.1 install, I have HPLIP (a sophisticated manager for HP printers). I decided to uninstall it to try something, except when it uninstalled, it took all my network services with i

[OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.

2008-12-07 Thread Richmond Mathewson
I don't hate Ubuntu. Ubuntu has served extremely well, breathing life into a few extremely low-spec Pentium IIIs in my EFL school. Those computers have been running Ubuntu 5.10 since that distro was released; no crash, no smash, and always does what it is meant to do. Having spent days gutter

Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.

2008-12-07 Thread GIRARD Damien
Personnaly, I hate Ubuntu. As Linux user, my favorites distributions are those: - Centos (Redhat Enterprise Linux Free) - Debian As Centos is RHEL, everything is working fine, it does not have the latest technology as other distributions but it is really stable. And updating works! Debian is r

Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.

2008-12-07 Thread Peter Alcibiades
All this is a reason for going with Debian proper rather than Ubuntu. You get continuous upgrades. Whereas Ubuntu, you have Debian in the background, but you have to do clean re-installs every time you do a major upgrade. So with Ubuntu, you have all the disadvantages of Debian and none of the

Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.

2008-12-06 Thread Mikey
Something that I also tried that doesn't work as well is putting /boot in it's own partition. After fiddling and fighting with it, what I really wanted to do, and finally settled on doing, was putting GRUB in it's own partition, and letting each distro have its own /boot directory. ___

Re: [OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.

2008-12-06 Thread Mikey
I'm a Hardy->Intrepid survivor, so here goes As someone who has gone through a variety of issues with a Hardy to Intrepid upgrade (I started a thread on the Ubuntuforums about it), the most common problem is with unused package uninstalls. If toward the end of the Intrepid upgrade you answer "yes

[OT] Ubuntu 8.10: headaches and nothing else.

2008-12-06 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Talking about reinventing the wheel . . . I tried to install Ubuntu 8.10 on a Pentium 4, 1.7 GHz, 256 RAM and got the "black screen of death": subsequently found out 2 things: 1. This is an all-too-common problem. 2. Ubuntu have not responded to all the piles and piles of moans about this fact.