Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-12 Thread Bob Warren
Richard Gaskin wrote originally: This installer will be made with Rev, so as much as I appreciate any tips about third-party installers it's essential to my workflow that I roll my own (I have an end-to-end automated build system). Richard Gaskin wrote now: As for installation, it depends on

Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Bob Warren wrote: Richard Gaskin wrote originally: This installer will be made with Rev, so as much as I appreciate any tips about third-party installers it's essential to my workflow that I roll my own (I have an end-to-end automated build system). Richard Gaskin wrote now: As for

Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-11 Thread Bob Warren
Dan Shafer quoted: But anyone who tells you they have an app that runs on every version of Linux has a very simplistic app or a very simplistic understanding of what constitutes Linux. I have both! My chooser widget standalones are a lot more complex than Hello World,

Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-11 Thread Bob Warren
As I have said, I am not qualified to discuss the technicalities of the distribution of Rev standalones for Linux, how distributable they really are among the various distros, and whether they might need a setup or installation in the traditional sense. But I do know a few facts. Runtime

Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-11 Thread Andre Garzia
Bob, english is not my native language and sometimes I do fail to express myself in a way that others understand but even more often I do miss what the other guy is trying to express. I really am not grasping what you're trying to do but I'll try to explain a couple things about your

Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-11 Thread Bob Warren
Andre: First of all, I think your English is excellent, and if after nearly 33 years in Brazil my written Portuguese was as good as your English, I would be a happy man. Thank you very much for your very lucid explanation. Part of what you said is exactly what I confirmed with Ken Ray days

Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Bob Warren wrote: In this thread and the one it arose from, I have not been the slightest bit concerned about discussing the distribution of apps generally in Linux. I have only tried to discuss the distribution of Rev apps. It has now been confirmed again that they do NOT need installing in

Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-10 Thread Dan Shafer
FWIW, this definition proposed by Mark is what I've always thought a standalone app is. Of course, I've not worked inside Linux nor have I attempted to create any apps that run on Linux. If indeed a common set of constant libraries exists for all (or virtually all) Linux distros, then I would say

Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-10 Thread Bob Warren
Mark Smith wrote: Bob, I think you may be getting hung up on the face-value meaning of the word 'standalone' - Thanks Mark. You might well be right. And indeed I might be making a fundamental mistake somewhere. However, according to my definition, a Rev

Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-10 Thread Richard Gaskin
Bob Warren wrote: Mark Smith wrote: Bob, I think you may be getting hung up on the face-value meaning of the word 'standalone' - Thanks Mark. You might well be right. And indeed I might be making a fundamental mistake somewhere. However, according to my

Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-10 Thread Bob Warren
Just a quicky in order not to drive anyone nuts. What I am trying to ask is this: I produce a Hello world standalone application in Rev Linux. Will it run without problems on every known Linux? According to an earlier post by Ken Ray, this is confirmed, with the qualification he made about

Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-10 Thread Richard Gaskin
Bob Warren wrote: What I am trying to ask is this: I produce a Hello world standalone application in Rev Linux. Will it run without problems on every known Linux? Linux? Probably, but that means no GUI. If by every you mean every window manager that sits on top of Linux, that's a maybe

Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-10 Thread Dan Shafer
Let me be clear up front that I am far from a Linux expert. I *am* a KDE user. And the last post here brought me to a point of remembering what a colleague of mine who IS a serious Linux guy told me a couple of weeks ago in another context. Direct quotation: Linux is the only OS for which there

Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-10 Thread Andre Garzia
If I may throw a couple cents at the conversation so that things become more clear it might help everyone here. The problem about linux family of operating systems is the library organization of each distro. When you make a standalone, Rev glues stack and engine togheter. The engine is

A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-09 Thread Bob Warren
Some people might think I am flogging a dead horse. In my opinion, the horse is still very much alive, and this fact has enormous consequences for Rev Linux users, not only in theoretical terms but also in terms of practices. According to what has been discussed under the thread Linux

Re: A new definition of libraries (was: Linux Installation)

2006-06-09 Thread Mark Smith
Bob, I think you may be getting hung up on the face-value meaning of the word 'standalone'. As Jacque pointed out, there really is no such thing in the world of modern personal computers. Maybe it would be helpful to consider a rev-made 'standalone' as simply a stack that does not require