Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread revolution
(Sorry folks, this is a long and rambling post...) Hi Alex, I suppose the vital issue for a mulit-user, server-side database is going to be concurrency - does it look to users that they are getting the immediate attention of the server, or are they left hanging around? Moreover, can these

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread Rob Cozens
Hi Bernard, Furthermore, there is the whole issue of locking for writes to the database. I'm not sure if the Serendipity db has any locking mechanism. The single-user version of SDB currently available at my ftp site does not; the Client/Server version now being alpha tested does. Without

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread Rob Cozens
Rev IPC Group Wow! Sounds cool. Is there a URL or discussion group for this? Alex, et al: I should know it, as Jan made me co-moderator last December; but I have not exercised those powers yet. Try http://groups.yahoo.com/group/revolution_ipc. If there is no subscribe option there, I'm sure

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread James Lewes
what is the ftp address where single user copies can be found On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 10:03 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: Hi Bernard, Furthermore, there is the whole issue of locking for writes to the database. I'm not sure if the Serendipity db has any locking mechanism. The single-user

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread Rob Cozens
what is the ftp address where single user copies can be found I wish you had not asked that question, James. I clicked on the URL I was about to post, and found that the upshot of my ongoing (1 month, a dozen or more eMails, four phone calls, six faxes) effort to get Network Solutions to do

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread Rob Cozens
Everyone, Jan passed his thoughts on some of this to me privately. I'm posting my response to the list because (a) I think I know him well enough that he won't mind, and (b) to save any else the time of correcting me regarding selecting all columns of a single record. In our projects, we set

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread revolution
Hi Rob, I did take a look on your web site a few weeks or months ago for some documentation on SDB. I didn't find it, and guessed that you thought that anyone who was really interested would take a look at the code, since you kindly make it available for us to read. Sorry, I was too lazy,

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread Alex Rice
On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 06:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Sorry folks, this is a long and rambling post...) Bernard, you are raising lots of interesting issues but I disagree with you about some of technical possibilities. - Very high performance servers can be constructed in a

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread Rob Cozens
Bernard, et al: I did take a look on your web site a few weeks or months ago for some documentation on SDB. I didn't find it, No, it, like the page in my signature below, is not linked to the main website. That's a spare time project, as the website is meant to promote OenoLog and there is

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread Klaus Major
Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED], IIRC, the altBrowser is IE only? No, you can also set it up to use Mozilla/NetScape, if installed! I would not like to rely on Microsoft for anything. They have a history of destroying competition (by fair means or foul). And it is my belief that we have seen nothing yet:

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread Scott Rossi
Recently, Rob Cozens wrote: I clicked on the URL I was about to post, and found that the upshot of my ongoing (1 month, a dozen or more eMails, four phone calls, six faxes) effort to get Network Solutions to do what they needed to do so my new domain registry could handle my domain renewal,

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread Rob Cozens
I would not like to rely on Microsoft for anything. They have a history of destroying competition (by fair means or foul). And it is my belief that we have seen nothing yet: they are going to tighten their monopoly position in ways that many people have not yet imagined. Unless others follow

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread Rob Cozens
Suggestion: blow off Network Solutions. Believe me, Scott, that's been the goal of my whole frustrating exchange. If Network Solution was in charge of the President's security, not only would it have been impossible for an unidentified person to get on the press plane in Africa; the Chief of

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread revolution
Hi Alex, Thanks for the comments. It is helping me to think things through. I do not think people should be prevented from using Rev on the server side, for lack of documentation or supporting. I agree. I too wish that the documentation on CGI programming with Rev was more pronounced.

XML integration [was]Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread Mark Brownell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] Alex Rice wrote: I asked what Runrev's plans for XML were, and pointed out that it seemed to be a bit unclear as to the purpose of including XML functionality in the latest version. Huh? Maybe I don't understand the question. Obviously the purpose was to have an XML parser.

Re: XML integration [was]Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mark Brownell wrote: With regard to XML ... It is cool to have an XML parser in Rev. But the potential is vast, and I hope to see some sign that Runrev have a strategic direction with this. For example, it would be nice for them to integrate version control from within Rev. This surely

Re: XML integration [was]Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread Mark Brownell
On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 01:11 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Mark Brownell wrote: With regard to XML ... It is cool to have an XML parser in Rev. But the potential is vast, and I hope to see some sign that Runrev have a strategic direction with this. For example, it would be nice for them

Re: XML integration [was]Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-12 Thread Alex Rice
On Saturday, July 12, 2003, at 02:11 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Couldn't you diff the binaries? Diff-ing binaries doesn't give any useful information, in any tool that I'm aware of. (On OS X) # diff FacCalc1.rev FacCalc2.rev Binary files FacCalc1.rev and FacCalc2.rev differ Am I

Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-11 Thread RGould8
I've used Revolution to create apps on the Mac, but I've not tried any server-related features of Revolution - - - can anyone tell me if Revolution could be used to create an app that runs on a Mac OS X server that pulls in data off of fields on a web-page served by the Mac OS X server performs

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-11 Thread Alex Rice
On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 01:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've used Revolution to create apps on the Mac, but I've not tried any server-related features of Revolution - - - can anyone tell me if Revolution could be used to create an app that runs on a Mac OS X server that pulls in data

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-11 Thread Alex Rice
On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 03:54 PM, Bill Vlahos wrote: I think Rev could make a pretty good server. The only example I'm aware of is Tuviah' chat software at the RunRev user contributed page. I'd like to see a simple generalized example of a Rev web server app designed for forms. I've done

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-11 Thread Alex Rice
On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 04:39 PM, Rob Cozens wrote: Rev IPC Group Wow! Sounds cool. Is there a URL or discussion group for this? Alex Rice, Software Developer Architectural Research Consultants, Inc. http://ARCplanning.com ___ use-revolution

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-11 Thread revolution
Hi Alex, I think that any of the xTalk/Hypercard-based models already have much of what is offered by ZODB. The Zope object database is just a way of saving in-memory objects to a persistent data store. As I understand it (in principle), ZODB is just an database for objects, written in

Re: Can Rev be used as server database?

2003-07-11 Thread Alex Rice
On Friday, July 11, 2003, at 08:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To me the xTalk way is far more acceptable (and I prefer xTalk to Python). For me it is much easier to get a grasp of fields, cards and stacks than the objects that get packed away into the ZODB... Bernard, glad someone else is