I am a big fan of Tintin but I remember Tin Tin and Milú (not Snowy)...
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:31 PM, Bruce Robertson wrote:
>> Oh, yes indeed ! old people of any age ! from 7 to 77, like Tintin...
>> (if you're old enough to remember Tintin and Snowy)
>
> Wasn't that Rin's last name?
>
>
Reposted as forgot to title the posting - sorry, JRM.
viktoras didziulis wrote:
"I should agree with Dave's point. Especially in countries, where English
is not native language like Lithuania and Bulgaria ;-) "
he is exactly right.
The only 2 things that can be said in RR's favour
(as opposed
Dave Cragg wrote:
>
> I'll play Devil's Advocate.
>
> There seems to be some assumptions about what is easier for a child.
> One of these assumptions is that a "simple English-like syntax" is
> simpler than other kinds of syntax. I wonder if that is not an adult
> prejudice.
>
> Compare these two
Dave Cragg wrote:
I'll play Devil's Advocate.
There seems to be some assumptions about what is easier for a child.
One of these assumptions is that a "simple English-like syntax" is
simpler than other kinds of syntax. I wonder if that is not an adult
prejudice.
Compare these two ways of re
>> Maybe we need a synonym for "the ... of me" - how about something like "my"?
>>
>> put my text into xx
>> set my hilite to true
Actually, SenseTalk (the xTalk that drives the Eggplant testing suite)
provides support for "my" as well as having extended xTalk to include
possessives, so you can
Thanks, Mark.
You know, I actually kinda like BASIC and don't find it ugly at all @;-)
Or, at least I didn't back in my C-64 days, hacking whatever ascii-art
adventure game I was playing at the time.
Judy
http://revined.blogspot.com
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 5:47 PM, Mark Schonewille <
m.schonewi.
Mikey,
No, I wasn't referring to your comment. Sorry to have not been more clear!
Judy
http://revined.blogspot.com
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 8:34 AM, Mikey wrote:
> Judy,
> I'm not sure if you were referring to my comment when you said
> "deceitful", but I contend that it is not at all deceitful
> Oh, yes indeed ! old people of any age ! from 7 to 77, like Tintin...
> (if you're old enough to remember Tintin and Snowy)
Wasn't that Rin's last name?
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Dave,
Math concepts are only additive in theory, otherwise, we could talk
about path integrals and second and third order partial differential
equations all day on this list and everyone would be right with it.
There are math books and math classes just for girls because...girls
seem to see and t
Judy,
I'm not sure if you were referring to my comment when you said
"deceitful", but I contend that it is not at all deceitful.
Strongly-typed language fans would object that you are pointing out
the soft underbelly of their language, and therefore it is unfair
because that example amplifies the s
On 12 Dec 2008, at 16:09, Judy Perry wrote:
Except that a child has almost certainly NEVER encountered that dot-
joining
that you reference, but HAS encountered "the" rather alot.
Judy
But more important surely is that the child has never encountered the
programming concept of object prope
ARGHH NO!
not Microsoft-speak!!
Maybe we need a synonym for "the ... of me" - how about something like "my"?
put my text into xx
set my hilite to true
etc.
--
stephen barncard
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Some of the reviews mention that the text is tiny, so if you're
_that_ old...
Cheers,
Luis.
On 12 Dec 2008, at 15:59, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Jacques Hausser wrote:
Oh, yes indeed ! old people of any age ! from 7 to 77, like
Tintin... (if you're old enough to remember Tintin and Snowy)
T
Judy-
Thursday, December 11, 2008, 5:26:36 PM, you wrote:
> Mark,
> Thanks; I am still laughing at your favorite ;-)
...A bonus is that it actually compiles and (spoiler alert!) runs a
daisy-petal "he-loves-me-he-loves-me-not" routine...
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mwie...@ahsoftware.net
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I'm not looking for anything deceitful; I think Jacque's examples do what
I'm looking for quite nicely.
OTOH, if what you really want to to make kids hate computers and
programming, by all means force Java/C/C#/JavaScript down their throats.
Judy
http://revined.blogspot.com
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 a
Except that a child has almost certainly NEVER encountered that dot-joining
that you reference, but HAS encountered "the" rather alot.
Judy
http://revined.blogspot.com
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 3:52 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:
>
> On 12 Dec 2008, at 00:48, Judy Perry wrote:
>
> I just want to show peopl
Jacques Hausser wrote:
Oh, yes indeed ! old people of any age ! from 7 to 77, like Tintin...
(if you're old enough to remember Tintin and Snowy)
This is way OT, but I was at my local bookstore the other day and
discovered that the entire Tin Tin collection has recently been
republished in a
Le 12 déc. 08 à 01:48, Judy Perry a écrit :
Francis,
No! I'm not looking to embarass anyone here! I just want to show
people
that you can do things easier -- and certainly easier for a child --
in Rev
than in all those other languages being suggested.
I believe that most posters imply
The most "unfair" comparison of ANY strongly-typed language to an
interpreted language is to complete an extremely simple algorithm:
1) Ask for two number from the command line
2) Add them
3) Put the sum into a sentence, outputting that sum to the screen.
Typecasting code is unbelievably ugly, a
Hi,
It's easy to come up with ugly code in any language, the trick is to
make beautiful code in *any* language. Out of the many programming
languages I've used, I've come across lot of *very* ugly code, and
ugly code is ugly code whatever language, however, ugly code in
RunRev is far far
Le 12 déc. 2008 à 12:52, Dave Cragg a écrit :
Perhaps I'm saying that Rev is a great language for old people to
take up. :-)
Oh, yes indeed ! old people of any age ! from 7 to 77, like Tintin...
(if you're old enough to remember Tintin and Snowy)
Jacques__
It all needs a little context to set it off. Do you explain that the
'.' is a joining thing?
What 'text'? Letters? A page?
The 'value/meaning' of all words are context driven, so either start
with an assumption or create one.
text->me
Cheers,
Luis.
On 12 Dec 2008, at 12:11, Phil Jimmies
Maybe we need a synonym for "the ... of me" - how about something like
"my"?
put my text into xx
set my hilite to true
etc.
On 12 Dec 2008, at 12:08, Joe Lewis Wilkins wrote:
Señor diablo,
The child in me agrees; and I was always better at math than reading.
Joe Wilkins
On Dec 12, 2008,
Señor diablo,
The child in me agrees; and I was always better at math than reading.
Joe Wilkins
On Dec 12, 2008, at 3:52 AM, Dave Cragg wrote:
On 12 Dec 2008, at 00:48, Judy Perry wrote:
I just want to show people
that you can do things easier -- and certainly easier for a child
-- in Re
On 12 Dec 2008, at 00:48, Judy Perry wrote:
I just want to show people
that you can do things easier -- and certainly easier for a child --
in Rev
than in all those other languages being suggested.
I'll play Devil's Advocate.
There seems to be some assumptions about what is easier for a c
Brian Yennie wrote:
If you want ugly code in Rev, the key is to do things in a horrible,
obtuse and irrational fashion. Smoke and mirrors, my friends!
(nope, haven't tested this but it looks right to me =))
on foo
put item -5 of "fox,cat,dog,horse" into t
put 0*pi*100 into x
repeat while (x
Oh, heavens, NO!
I want ugly code in OTHER languages... legitimate, legitimately ugly code in
other languages.
If I wanted ugly code in Rev, I could simply use my own!
:-/
Judy
http://revined.blogspot.com
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 7:41 PM, Brian Yennie wrote:
> If you want ugly code in Rev, the
If you want ugly code in Rev, the key is to do things in a horrible,
obtuse and irrational fashion. Smoke and mirrors, my friends!
(nope, haven't tested this but it looks right to me =))
on foo
put item -5 of "fox,cat,dog,horse" into t
put 0*pi*100 into x
repeat while (x < (256 - charToNum(s
Hi Judy,
A few very simple examples. Revolution is clearly much more readable
and easier to work with for starting programmers than other languages.
# revolution
on foo
repeat with x = 32 to 255
put x & " " & numToChar(x) & cr after msg
end repeat
end foo
This one is hardly r
Mark,
Thanks; I am still laughing at your favorite ;-)
Judy
http://revined.blogspot.com
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:21 AM, Mark Wieder wrote:
> Judy-
>
> Thursday, December 11, 2008, 9:52:39 AM, you wrote:
>
> > Does anyone have any ugly examples?
>
> You can check out the Obfucated C Code Contes
Francis,
No! I'm not looking to embarass anyone here! I just want to show people
that you can do things easier -- and certainly easier for a child -- in Rev
than in all those other languages being suggested.
And, of course, you should see MY lousy code ;-)
Judy
http://revined.blogspot.com
On T
Judy Perry wrote:
I again come hat-in-hand to ask for some really ugly-looking code examples
in those "real world" programming languages to compare with Rev for the
Slashdot thread.
Posters there are actually recommending things like Assembly(!), Java, & C#!
Specifically the OP was looking to t
Judy-
Thursday, December 11, 2008, 9:52:39 AM, you wrote:
> Does anyone have any ugly examples?
You can check out the Obfucated C Code Contest archives here:
http://www0.us.ioccc.org/main.html
My favorite of the bunch:
http://www0.us.ioccc.org/1990/westley.c
"The gloves are OFF this time, I
Judy,
This time you have really got everybody scared.
I, for one (after 45 years of programming), will
NEVER show you my UGLY code examples, not in
Algol, 1401 Autocoder, Fortran, Cobol,
360 Assembler, RPG, PL/1, Basic, Hypertalk, etc.
And now with the terrific one-liners on this
forum, showing
I again come hat-in-hand to ask for some really ugly-looking code examples
in those "real world" programming languages to compare with Rev for the
Slashdot thread.
Posters there are actually recommending things like Assembly(!), Java, & C#!
Specifically the OP was looking to teach basics such as
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