Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-28 Thread Dan Shafer
Scott There is no respect in which Volume 1 is obsolete. We are considering chunking it up into more manageable pieces and issuing those as separate eBooks and trying to find a way to make the entire volume available electronically (pricing and related issues) but the volume remains solid a

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-28 Thread Dr . Scott Steinman
I'm excited about Volumes 2 and 3, but I ordered Volume 1 several weeks ago (from Runtime) and it's disappointing to know that it's obsolete before I even receive it. Sigh.. Dr. Scott Steinman ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.r

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-27 Thread Dan Shafer
Judy. LOL. Yeah, as far as that remark goes, you're right. I mean, I'd really like to understand: (a) how an index on a full-text-searchable document adds enough real value to make it worth the time and cost of compiling it; and (b) how such an index should differ, if at all, from an index f

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-26 Thread Judy Perry
Dan, Basically, what you're saying is that anything done crappily is crap and anything done well is good. That's true. More l8r when I'm in a better mood ;-) :-/ Judy On Sat, 26 Feb 2005, Dan Shafer wrote: > Judy. > > Strong opinion. I disagree. I know you come from an education > perspe

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-26 Thread Mark Wieder
Richard- Saturday, February 26, 2005, 11:44:08 AM, you wrote: RG> Agree, but darn it's a lot of work. I made the task-oriented index for RG> SuperCard 2.5's documentation, it came to about 15-20% of the total RG> cost. And people still complained that it wasn't complete enough. :) It never is.

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-26 Thread Dan Shafer
Judy. Strong opinion. I disagree. I know you come from an education perspective and perhaps that's shaping some of what you are feeling but my experience says: 1. Creating indexes is subjective at best. A great index can help make the contents of a printed work more accessible; a poorly don

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-26 Thread Richard Gaskin
Mark Wieder wrote: I think it's not enough just to have an index, it has to serve a purpose as well. I do use the printed docs, but the ability to search the online docs is a great tool. And pdf indices seem to serve as a nice middle ground, allowing for thematic groupings as in a table of contents

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-26 Thread Mark Wieder
Judy- Friday, February 25, 2005, 8:01:20 PM, you wrote: JP> Printed books simply MUST have an index. I really believe that PDFs JP> should too. Well, the printed rev 2.0 docs have an index, but it's just a list of functions with the page number each is defined at. Since the whole book is alphab

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-26 Thread graham samuel
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 21:21:25 -0800 (PST), Judy Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Okay, Graham, I am sorry; I did not intend to make you the personal target of my rant. It's just that I have been requesting this "feature" for quite some time now. Judy On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Judy Perry wrote: Not a

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread Judy Perry
Okay, Graham, I am sorry; I did not intend to make you the personal target of my rant. It's just that I have been requesting this "feature" for quite some time now. Judy On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Judy Perry wrote: > Not an excuse. ___ use-revolution maili

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread Judy Perry
Not an excuse. Printed books simply MUST have an index. I really believe that PDFs should too. Judy On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, graham samuel wrote: > Well, indices can be written - we might get volunteers to do it. In > fact I might be such a volunteer for one or more of the books. Forces > you to r

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread Dan Shafer
There's a lot you don't know about me, Ken! Dan On Feb 25, 2005, at 1:37 PM, Ken Ray wrote: On 2/25/05 7:22 AM, "Jim Hurley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dan, Good news. Thank you for *your* patients with us. Patients? I didn't know Dan was a doctor... ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: h

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread Ken Ray
On 2/25/05 7:22 AM, "Jim Hurley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan, > > Good news. Thank you for *your* patients with us. Patients? I didn't know Dan was a doctor... ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Web site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread Dan Shafer
But they DO tend to be searchable. I understand that's not a complete answer, but it's one of those famous trade-off thingies. dan On Feb 25, 2005, at 8:16 AM, Judy Perry wrote: A, yes, but the problem with online docs is that they tend not to have an index. Judy On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Robert

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread Dan Shafer
h the book form when someone actually orders a book. Cheers, Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eddie Boyd Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 2:28 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans Gl

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread Dan Shafer
On Feb 25, 2005, at 5:22 AM, Jim Hurley wrote: I hope this isn't too much to ask, but I would like a volume dedicated to my personal DNA. I think RunRev already has a copy; it is apparently encapsulated in my multi-digit license code. If we can figure out how to write a program in Rev to decode

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread graham samuel
On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 08:16:16 -0800 (PST), Judy Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: A, yes, but the problem with online docs is that they tend not to have an index. Well, indices can be written - we might get volunteers to do it. In fact I might be such a volunteer for one or more of the books.

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread Judy Perry
A, yes, but the problem with online docs is that they tend not to have an index. Judy On Fri, 25 Feb 2005, Robert Brenstein wrote: > The problem with printed manuals is that they are always behind as > they need a few months lead time for production and require more > manpower. And with the

RE: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread Lynch, Jonathan
, 2005 10:46 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans On 2/25/05 6:45 AM, "Lynch, Jonathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aren't there small-scale publishers that specialize in per item > printing? Basically, you send them a pdf

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread Marty Knapp
On 2/25/05 6:45 AM, "Lynch, Jonathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Aren't there small-scale publishers that specialize in per item > printing? Basically, you send them a pdf of the book, and a list of > customers with addresses. They print the book on a double-sided printer, > bind it on one of th

RE: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread Lynch, Jonathan
ers a book. Cheers, Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eddie Boyd Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 2:28 AM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans Glad to hear about this but I only just ordere

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread Jim Hurley
Dan, Good news. Thank you for *your* patients with us. We never know what we want until we get it. Thank you, as well, for your dedication to Run Rev. I like the idea of quantizing the subject matter to suit individual needs. I hope this isn't too much to ask, but I would like a volume dedicat

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread Eddie Boyd
Glad to hear about this but I only just ordered Volume 1 yesterday! Pity about the lack of print publishing as I like to read manuals AWAY from the computer. I would hope the Runtime people will consider forming some of the more basic booklets into a users guide as the current documentation is

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-25 Thread Robert Brenstein
Glad to hear about this but I only just ordered Volume 1 yesterday! Pity about the lack of print publishing as I like to read manuals AWAY from the computer. I would hope the Runtime people will consider forming some of the more basic booklets into a users guide as the current documentation is

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-24 Thread Bob Hartley
At 00:56 25/02/2005, you wrote: Dear Fellow Revolution User: Dear Dan As you know, Runtime Revolution and I have been working for some months trying to find a conventional publisher to handle the second and third volumes of my "Software at the Speed of Thought" book series. I appreciate your p

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-24 Thread Judy Perry
Me, too. Try to hit some Kinkos or Kinkos-like establishment where, given that they actually possess the most recent version of Reader, they can print and bind same for you. Kinkos = self-serve photocopiers and computer biz PLUS professional printers biz. Somewhat copious in the US, or at least S

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-24 Thread Eddie Boyd
Glad to hear about this but I only just ordered Volume 1 yesterday! Pity about the lack of print publishing as I like to read manuals AWAY from the computer. I would hope the Runtime people will consider forming some of the more basic booklets into a users guide as the current documentation is

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-24 Thread Hannu Kokko
Sounds good. Will definitely be a customer... ..h On 25.2.2005 03:14, "Robert Brenstein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> First, I am going to release, over the next nine months, at least 10 >> new mini-books in electronic form covering many of the topics you >> were expecting to see in Volumes 2

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-24 Thread Robert Brenstein
First, I am going to release, over the next nine months, at least 10 new mini-books in electronic form covering many of the topics you were expecting to see in Volumes 2 and 3, but taking a different, more topical approach. These eBooks will be offered for sale at prices ranging from $5 to $10

Re: News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-24 Thread Sarah Reichelt
Great news Dan. I have subscribed to several of the Take Control books produced by TidBits and find it a very good model, allowing me to pay for the bits I need and ignore the stuff I am not interested it, or already know. Good luck, Sarah On 25/02/2005, at 10:58 AM, Dan Shafer wrote: Dear Fell

News of Shafer eBook Publication Plans

2005-02-24 Thread Dan Shafer
Dear Fellow Revolution User: As you know, Runtime Revolution and I have been working for some months trying to find a conventional publisher to handle the second and third volumes of my "Software at the Speed of Thought" book series. I appreciate your patience while we worked on this problem. T