Eric Raymond's talking about Perl vs Python here, but the point's valid (if
you're reading the article online, just ignore the comments)
"Also, I found I was spending more and more time wrestling with artifacts of
the language rather than my application problems. And, most damning of all,
the r
I would LOVE to see elegant LISP. There's a reason why we nickname it "Lots
of Idiotic Stupid Parenthesis". I tried for a long time to write LISP that
could actually be read, but it was difficult.
Then there's the line about C++ being a "Write-Only" language.
xTalk IS very nice. I don't like some of the things RR has done, but it is
still much easier to teach someone than many other languages.
Yes, I too capital-L LOVE JavaScript as well.
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Mikey,
http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisptext.html
There are copies available in PDF, TXT and others... I'm using the
paper version.
Lisp can be very elegant if you keep your functions small... Also
emacs+slime can do lots of tricks for making it pretty when being
displayed.
Still, it is difficul
Mark,
can we say that is impossible to write elegant perl now since perl
always look bad...
On a side reference, I've been reading both "On lisp" and "Thinking
Forth", very nice books with very nice and elegant code.
Andre
On 1/28/08, Mark Wieder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Eric Raymond's talk
Leo Brodie's book has been given the open treatment and is available
for free online.
Cheers,
Luis.
On 29 Jan 2008, at 13:28, Andre Garzia wrote:
Mark,
can we say that is impossible to write elegant perl now since perl
always look bad...
On a side reference, I've been reading both "On li
And of course, here is the link: http://thinking-forth.sourceforge.net
Cheers,
Luis.
On 29 Jan 2008, at 15:05, Luis wrote:
Leo Brodie's book has been given the open treatment and is
available for free online.
Cheers,
Luis.
On 29 Jan 2008, at 13:28, Andre Garzia wrote:
Mark,
can we s
this thread made me think of this.
Mmmm, still Eric Raymond :-)
"Show me your code and conceal your data structures,
and I shall continue to be mystified.
Show me your data structures,
and I won't usually need your code;
it'll be obvious."
(the quote is an Eric Raymond (1997) paraphrase of
Luis-
Thanks - I wasn't aware that this had been released as open-source. I got a
nice email from Leo a while back thanking me for web-publishing a reference
to his books.
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Urk. I really didn't want to make this a discussion about perl.
Posting the article link was more about thinking about xtalk as a language
in the broader definition and in the context of KISS-style coding.
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Hiya,
No problem, thank you. I still dabble in Forth, when the mention came
up in the list I had to post the link.
Cheers.
Luis.
On 29 Jan 2008, at 17:09, Mark Wieder wrote:
Luis-
Thanks - I wasn't aware that this had been released as open-source.
I got a
nice email from Leo a while ba
On Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:29:06 -0200, "Andre Garzia"
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Mikey,
http://www.paulgraham.com/onlisptext.html
There are copies available in PDF, TXT and others... I'm using the
paper version.
Lisp can be very elegant if you keep your functions small... Also
emacs+slime can
Continuing this thread, I'm working on some Java teaching tools, and no
matter how I try I just cannot help people get their heads wrapped around
int myVar = ++someOtherVar
Great. It's short. However since you have three things going on in the
same line, it is nearly impossible to absorb it.
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Mikey-
> int myVar = ++someOtherVar
To be fair about this, there's really no reason to start off by placing this
all in one line just because you can:
int myVar;
++someOtherVar; // or someOtherVar = someOtherVar + 1;
myVar = someOtherVar;
does the same thing and is (somewhat) easier for newbie
Now, just imagine that I am a CS student in a "very easy to be
accepted" university here... imagine that most of the students never
coded before, actually, their concept of coding is from Hollywood
hacker movies
now, imagine these guys having to deal pointer arithmetics using Turbo
C circa 199
Mark Smith wrote:
Well, while we're on the subject of dense code: this is apparently legal C:
for(;P("\n"),R--;P("|"))for(e=C;e--;P("_ "+(*u++/8)%2))P("| "+(*u/4)%2);
(from the spoof that went round about C and Unix being a hoax).
This is identical to what my parrot produces when I allow her t
Well, while we're on the subject of dense code: this is apparently
legal C:
for(;P("\n"),R--;P("|"))for(e=C;e--;P("_ "+(*u++/8)%2))P("| "+(*u/4)%2);
(from the spoof that went round about C and Unix being a hoax).
and this bit of perl is extraordinary:
http://99-bottles-of-beer.net/language-pe
Mark-
This is by far my favorite piece of obfuscated C code:
http://www0.us.ioccc.org/1990/westley.c
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> > int myVar = ++someOtherVar
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> To be fair about this, there's really no reason to start off by placing
> this
> all in one line just because you can:
>
Believe it or not, that example comes out of the Java tutorials (using
different field names to protect the innocent).
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Mark Smith wrote:
Well, while we're on the subject of dense code: this is apparently
legal C:
for(;P("\n"),R--;P(&quo
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