Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-09 Thread Chipp Walters
David, As Richard said, I find stacks the idea binary data storage container, too. In fact many of our customers apps have stack based document files, which have zero business logic and in fact are never seen by the user. Works great. And, if for some reason you need an intermediary format, one

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-09 Thread David Bovill
On 09/03/2008, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As Richard said, I find stacks the idea binary data storage container, too. In fact many of our customers apps have stack based document files, which have zero business logic and in fact are never seen by the user. Works great. And, if

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-09 Thread David Bovill
Sorry the question was cut off What things - tools or actions would help produce more community produced libraries? - Jabber - Google Data - Google spread sheets - Google docs, calendar, picassa etc - KML - Flickr - YouTube - iCal / vCal - Blog XMLRPC api's -

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-09 Thread Jerry Daniels
Guys I can't believe you fellows are talking about libraries at a time like this. Sir Paul McCartney is going through a messy divorce and will have to pimp out the Beatles to El Jobso / iTunes to make it happen. He needs our support (McCartney)! Jerry Daniels Mara, Inc. Makers of

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-09 Thread David Bovill
On 09/03/2008, Jerry Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys I can't believe you fellows are talking about libraries at a time like this. Sir Paul McCartney is going through a messy divorce and will have to pimp out the Beatles to El Jobso / iTunes to make it happen. He needs our support

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-09 Thread Jerry Daniels
I don't even know where to start. Holy cow. On Mar 9, 2008, at 10:28 AM, David Bovill wrote: On 09/03/2008, Jerry Daniels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys I can't believe you fellows are talking about libraries at a time like this. Sir Paul McCartney is going through a messy divorce and

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-09 Thread Chipp Walters
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 7:36 AM, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well to bring out my 6 shooter - it means you don't talk about code you supply a diff which does the talking for you. Just so I understand better, let me get this straight: A nice cvs system which supplies diffs will help

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-09 Thread Chipp Walters
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 7:49 AM, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and learn from them, and relatively quickly code your own thing. All that is great - but we miss out not being able to grab an open image browser widget, altImageViewer at:

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-08 Thread David Bovill
On 05/03/2008, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, another point to understand is the recompilation of a complete stack from text files, is a very difficult, if not impossible task to undertake. I should know. I worked with David Johnson for over a year on a sharing toolkit

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-08 Thread Richard Gaskin
David Bovill wrote: Seperating data from code is surely a good idea and not one encouraged by the stack metaphor? A stack can be used as a data store only, separate from other stacks which can be used for the UI, separate still from stacks used as libraries to drive it all. Quite

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-08 Thread David Bovill
On 08/03/2008, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A stack can be used as a data store only, separate from other stacks which can be used for the UI, separate still from stacks used as libraries to drive it all. True. Quite flexible, the stack object. H - lets put it the other

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-05 Thread David Bovill
Agreed as well - but in the context of your own or a relatively small groups productivity. That is it is not worth going down the path of svn or finer granularity for your own productivity, unless perhaps you and your team are already familiar with such tools and working practices based on other

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-05 Thread Richard Gaskin
David Bovill wrote: On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Richard Gaskin I've thought about the type of scenarios described here, in which two or more programmers may be assigned to work on the same stack, but to be honest to me that seems less a technical challenge than an architectural and

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-05 Thread David Bovill
On 05/03/2008, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Bovill wrote: That said, I suppose if we look at all possible scenarios we could find circumstances for which a finer level of granularity may have a positive ROI. We've found no significant limitations with stack-based

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-05 Thread Chipp Walters
Richard, thanks...couldn't have said it better..but I will add a footnote... David, another point to understand is the recompilation of a complete stack from text files, is a very difficult, if not impossible task to undertake. I should know. I worked with David Johnson for over a year on a

Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-04 Thread Richmond Mathewson
I wrote (probably in a moment of fairly naive euphoria): it would be perfectly possible to write a description in the text format and write a reader to reimport that to make a stack! Well, I suppose it would. BUT It would probably then be necessary to spit out details of ALL properties for

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-04 Thread viktoras didziulis
not necessarily all. Majority of them have default values that in many cases mean empty :-). All the best! Viktoras Richmond Mathewson wrote: I wrote (probably in a moment of fairly naive euphoria): it would be perfectly possible to write a description in the text format and write a reader

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-04 Thread Len Morgan
Perhaps the way to solve this would be to dump all the properties of the template objects of this stack and then dump only properties of the objects that are different than the templates. This buys you a couple of things: 1) You only dump what's different 2) If someone has modified their

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-04 Thread Dave
The way I've done it in the past is to have a template for each type of object that contains the default values. This gets stored once for each object type, then for each object just send the properties that have changed from the default. All the Best Dave On 4 Mar 2008, at 09:07,

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-04 Thread Stephen Barncard
It would probably then be necessary to spit out details of ALL properties for each object (472 last time I looked) which would be both silly and involve a lot of redundancy . . . 1. who cares about redundancy? 2. The entire list of properties in an object can be made into an array (and saved

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-04 Thread Richard Gaskin
Stephen Barncard wrote: It would probably then be necessary to spit out details of ALL properties for each object (472 last time I looked) which would be both silly and involve a lot of redundancy . . . 1. who cares about redundancy? 2. The entire list of properties in an object can be made

RE: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-04 Thread ryley powell
what do u think u are doing i singned up yesterday Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2008 09:07:39 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Subject: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files I wrote (probably in a moment of fairly naive euphoria): it would be perfectly

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-04 Thread Chipp Walters
Agreed 100%. Key word in the below sentence is architectural. IMO, a properly designed architecture can handle multiple programmers, each working on their own stacks. After all, remember, one can insert 50 stack libraries into the message path. best, Chipp On Tue, Mar 4, 2008 at 11:58 AM,

Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-03 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Chipp wrote: You mean something like? on mouseUp repeat with x = 1 to the number of cds in this stack put the long name of cd x cr the script of cd x crcr after tScripts repeat with y=1 to the number of controls on cd x put the long name of control y of cd x cr the script of

Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-03 Thread Richmond Mathewson
However; my stack is not much good as, if the stack has substacks SS.rev seems to forget about the mainstack . . . needsa bit more work! Love, Richmond A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems

Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-03 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Removed my SS.rev stack from revOnline and replaced it with: wait for it . . . SS.rev !!! but now listed as 'Textifier'; this will now export a fairly comprehensive description of a stack and its substacks; such that it would be perfectly possible to write a description in the text format and

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-03 Thread Jim Lambert
Chipp Richmond gave two nice handlers for exporting scripts to a text file. I offer one suggestion as someone who likes to avoid unnecessary work. When handlers like these have a lot of work to do, I generally prefer to put the 'ask file' right up front. That way, if a user cancels - no

Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-03 Thread Richmond Mathewson
Yes, Jim Lambert, you are quite right! Just uploaded new version of 'Textifier' with an answer dialog. sincerely, Richmond A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle.

Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-02 Thread Richmond Mathewson
For what it is worth . . . Have just uploaded SS.rev to revOnline (also available at my main Yahoo Group): it is the seed of a stack to export 'everything' to a text file: as it stands it exports all the scripts in a stack. If anybody can use it / modify it for use: it is there for them! Love,

Re: Team Development / Exporting stuff to text files

2008-03-02 Thread Chipp Walters
You mean something like? on mouseUp repeat with x = 1 to the number of cds in this stack put the long name of cd x cr the script of cd x crcr after tScripts repeat with y=1 to the number of controls on cd x put the long name of control y of cd x cr the script of control y of cd x