I am using Revolution professionally to develop educational software. This
is my first project with Rev, and so far it is going very well.
As far as cross-platform issues, most of them come from font issues. For
the most part, Rev does a great job at compensating for font sizes. Mac
fonts,
Chipp,
For the third time, removing the breakpoint MAY work but NOT always...
There's a 2nd reference to the breakpoint written in the revcustom
properties
that is not cleaned up.
The only solution in existence is my stack the Breakpoints navigator.
And 2.6 still crashes with these issues (too
Dennis Brown wrote:
The business model that I would like to see is REALbasic.
...
New releases came out about twice a week
--new features and bug fixes.
...
This is what I am hoping for DreamCard. The price is right, but with
few releases, the IDE/ docs must be helpful to the beginner, ot
The business model that I would like to see is REALbasic. Started as
cheap shareware ($25 I think). Everybody bought a copy whether they
needed one or not (I did). New releases came out about twice a week
--new features and bug fixes. Few complained, because they could see
active work o
My accountant had returned from a seminar. The presenter had suggested
everyone double their prices. One of the accountants in the room protested:
"I'd lose half my business." The presenter smiled and said: "Perfect, you'd get
the same revenue - with half the work."
The flaw in this i
Back in the Smalltalk days (man, I gotta stop this reminiscing crap),
I once asked Adele Goldberg at ParcPlace why they sold their version
of the language at such a high price point compared to Digitalk. Her
answer was brilliant and insightful. "Because we don't want a bunch
of garage progr
Dan Shafer wrote:
I had lunch today with a good friend who is a serious Java gear-head.
He says the IDE he uses -- Eclipse (which is open source) -- has dozens
of bugs that require knowledgeable workarounds. "Any programmer worth
his or her salt knows that tiptoeing around these land mines
I had lunch today with a good friend who is a serious Java gear-head.
He says the IDE he uses -- Eclipse (which is open source) -- has
dozens of bugs that require knowledgeable workarounds. "Any
programmer worth his or her salt knows that tiptoeing around these
land mines goes with the terr
On Jun 5, 2005, at 9:05 AM, Jon wrote:
I'm curious. How many of you use Rev to make a living, and how
many of you just play with it. ...
Hi Jon,
I use Revolution for all development of my commercial applications.
I have found that it enables my small company to compete with much
la
Jon-
Monday, June 6, 2005, 12:49:29 PM, you wrote:
J> "IMO, finding problems with no known fixes are much more critical than
J> ones which can be fixed." I somewhat agree. I would agree more
J> strongly if Rev came with a ReadMe file that explained all of the ways
J> things might screw up and
Chipp:
If you're refering to problems with breakpoints, yes, I did see your
comment, and I have removed all breakpoints. Another defect in the IDE
(breakpoints not moving with lines during edits, as is the case with
Delphi).
"IMO, finding problems with no known fixes are much more critical
Jon,
I wrote a succinct reply to this bug, which if you adhere to, will solve
this problem. Did you take notice?
While it doesn't excuse the bug, it does show that if you have a bit of
prior knowledge you can easily sidestep it. IMO, finding problems with
no known fixes are much more critica
On Jun 6, 2005, at 3:00 PM, Chipp Walters wrote:
http://www.expertlingo.com/
(Sorry, Troy, I didn't name it :-)
;-D
--
Troy
RPSystems, Ltd.
http://www.rpsystems.net
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Our company, Altuit, uses Rev as our primary client delivery platform.
Currently we've used it successfully on Macs, PC's and recently we
delivered an enterprise Linux application.
We recently finished and delivered eXpertSystem, the follow-up product
to IdeaFisher, an industry recognized brai
Brian-
Thanks. Well put.
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I'm curious. How many of you use Rev to make a living, and how
many of you just play with it. I'm at the point where I can't
believe anyone could use it to do serious development. It is just
too buggy, syntax idiosyncrasies and sloth aside.
And how many of you successfully deploy cross-p
On 6/5/05 6:20 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:
I am also in the process of making the first (as far as i know)
runrev-only coding contest.
this or next week i will announce the details of the coding contest. The
url for it is
http://contest.wecode.org (thanks andre)
Any chance you could wait u
Delphi has been around for more years than Rev. I remember very
clearly going through some really, really buggy early experiences
with that product as well.
And please don't misunderstand me. I agree there are issues in the
IDE. The things you cited in your email have all been worked around
Jon,
Thanks for chiming in on these problems. From my perspective, both
sides are right here. There are "safe paths" in the IDE which are quite
stable- in fact, my normal use habits are well supported with virtually
no problems. On the same token, the things you have found clearly ARE
bugs an
Dan:
You said ""You say the Revolution IDE "is just too buggy." I've read all
of the messages on this list - including many from you in recent days -
and I can't honestly say I've seen you report or describe a single bug".
Well, two of them have been BugZilla'd by others on the list.
I'd s
Jon
I've created several commercial products for clients using
Revolution, going back to 1.1, and they all had to run on both Mac
and Windows. I am a Mac guy, so I did all the development work on
Macintosh. While you can run into some fairly well-documented issues
as you move across p
On 6/5/05 11:05 AM, Jon wrote:
I'm curious. How many of you use Rev to make a living, and how many of
you just play with it.
I make a living with it, and have for many, many years. You can see some
examples of software I've done with Revolution (and MetaCard before it)
if you go to my web s
On Jun 5, 2005, at 8:20 PM, Björnke von Gierke wrote:
I am also in the process of making the first (as far as i know)
runrev-only coding contest.
this or next week i will announce the details of the coding contest.
The url for it is
http://contest.wecode.org (thanks andre)
you're welcome!!
Well, then perhaps one question is whether there needs to be clearer
pointing to this list for users who are new to the process?
~~
Dan Shafer, Co-Chair
RevConWest '05
June 17-18, 2005, Monterey, California
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest
O
Hi,
I'm a professional multimedia producer, and I'm planning to produce a
language learning CD using Revolution. My only other options are Flash,
which supports Unicode but has a truly impossible IDE for anything but
animations, and Director, which doesn't do Unicode.
I haven't done any cros
On Jun 05 2005, at 18:05, Jon wrote:
I'm curious. How many of you use Rev to make a living, and how many
of you just play with it. I'm at the point where I can't believe
anyone could use it to do serious development. It is just too buggy,
syntax idiosyncrasies and sloth aside.
And how ma
Dennis-
Sunday, June 5, 2005, 11:26:28 AM, you wrote:
DB> quirks and bugs. My beef is that it is the casual user --the ones
DB> that can make or break a company by virtue of their numbers --that
DB> will not put up with getting slapped 4 or 5 times on his first day of
DB> use. He will give up a
On Jun 5, 2005, at 3:05 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Troy Rollins wrote:
I find that using Rev to create personal super-utilities is one of
the easiest, and most rewarding aspects of the program.
It is quite a bit more difficult to create a cross-platform app for
commercial distribution though.
In fact, once the conference is over, Chipp Walters and I -- who are
hosting the gathering -- will be finding new and cool ways to
distribute conference sessions.
Watch for post-conference announcements.
~~
Dan Shafer, Co-Chair
RevConWest '05
June 17-1
Troy Rollins wrote:
I find that using Rev to create personal super-utilities is one of the
easiest, and most rewarding aspects of the program.
It is quite a bit more difficult to create a cross-platform app for
commercial distribution though. Personal super-utilities are awfully
forgiving...
On Jun 5, 2005, at 2:12 PM, Jim Ault wrote:
My collection of programs that are directed by Rev via Applescript is
(Photoshop, Mac OSX shell, Excel, BBEdit, Entourage, Transmit)
Rev is my core App. It is my central database, toolbox, file handling,
processing logic, error checking, and log fil
Jon wrote:
I'm curious. How many of you use Rev to make a living, and how many of
you just play with it.
I've been making a living with xTalks for 11 years as of 4/4, and almost
exclusively with the Rev engine (going back to when it was called
"MetaCard") since '98.
I'm at the point wher
Jon,
I am retired. I decided to use Rev as my language of choice for
doing all those programming projects that I never had time to get to
before (ha,ha, I'm busier now than ever). My project list is varied
from home automation to food databases, and I do conceive of free
distribution of
> On Jun 5, 2005, at 10:05 AM, Jon wrote:
>
>> I'm curious. How many of you use Rev to make a living, and how many
>> of you just play with it.
I am using Rev to build a central processing system for graphics and web
content. I am a previous Hypercard guy, so Transcript was fairly easy and I
kn
On Jun 5, 2005, at 10:05 AM, Jon wrote:
I'm curious. How many of you use Rev to make a living, and how many
of you just play with it. I'm at the point where I can't believe
anyone could use it to do serious development. It is just too buggy,
syntax idiosyncrasies and sloth aside.
I use R
On Jun 5, 2005, at 2:13 PM, Ralph R. Forehand wrote:
Monterey?? Info on this Conference and/or URL??
Thanks in Advance,
Ralph
Ralph, this will be a hell of a conference, I am comming all the way
from brazil to it.
the url is: http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit/RevConWest/
if you happen t
Ken wrote:
>Well, if you're going to be at Monterey, there's a session on this. ;-)
Monterey?? Info on this Conference and/or URL??
Thanks in Advance,
Ralph
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>On Jun 5, 2005, at 1:05 PM, Jon wrote:
>
>>I'm curious. How many of you use Rev to make a living, and how many of you
>>just play with it.
Jon,
I'm one of those that just play with Rev. Dreamcard. Being retired I have no
desire to go commercial with any of my projects.
I'm a long, long, time
> I'm curious. How many of you use Rev to make a living, and how many of
> you just play with it. I'm at the point where I can't believe anyone
> could use it to do serious development. It is just too buggy, syntax
> idiosyncrasies and sloth aside.
>
> And how many of you successfully deploy cr
On Jun 5, 2005, at 12:05 PM, Jon wrote:
I'm curious. How many of you use Rev to make a living, and how many
of you just play with it. I'm at the point where I can't believe
anyone could use it to do serious development. It is just too buggy,
syntax idiosyncrasies and sloth aside.
I too a
On Jun 5, 2005, at 1:05 PM, Jon wrote:
I'm curious. How many of you use Rev to make a living, and how many
of you just play with it. I'm at the point where I can't believe
anyone could use it to do serious development. It is just too buggy,
syntax idiosyncrasies and sloth aside.
And how
I'm curious. How many of you use Rev to make a living, and how many of
you just play with it. I'm at the point where I can't believe anyone
could use it to do serious development. It is just too buggy, syntax
idiosyncrasies and sloth aside.
And how many of you successfully deploy cross-plat
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