Re: How to Achive 'N' Transactions per Minute using Constant Throughput Timer

2014-07-18 Thread apc
The issue is that timers affect all the samplers in their scope. Try attaching the timer to the first sampler of the transaction. Then the whole transaction will be at desired rate. Unfortunately, you will have to attach such timer for every transaction, because you're abandoning the scoping convin

Re: JMeter twitter account

2013-10-06 Thread apc
+1. For now I use Philippe as official JMeter representative in Twitter to mention and ask questions. He's good on his answers, but it may be too annoying for him to stand for whole project alone. - -- Andrey Pohilko JMeter-Plugins.org Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmet

Re: UltimateThreadGroup:Same number of threads, but increasing the Startup time,I am getting more records in my database

2013-10-06 Thread apc
The issues is that you're wrong with your expectations. The UTG do /as many loops as schedule times allows it/. So you may have different records even between 2 runs of the same Test Plan. UTG starts the threads and keeps them running until shutdown time comes on schedule. You can overcome this by

Re: Response Assertion - Anchor Tags

2013-10-06 Thread apc
You should use some online Regexp test tool to check your regexp. Like this: http://gskinner.com/RegExr/ - -- Andrey Pohilko JMeter-Plugins.org Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Response-Assertion-Anchor-Tags-tp5718349p5718352.html Sent from the

Re: Store the result of __XPath to a variable

2013-10-06 Thread apc
The __XPath should solve your task. Seems you have something wrong with your try. Please, give us more details on your XML file contens and you __XPath function use with this file. Also, investigate JMeter logging window for possible errors and warnings. - -- Andrey Pohilko JMeter-Plugins.o

Selenium/WebDriver Sampler for JMeter

2013-07-01 Thread apc
Hi, everybody, I believe this new ability is important enough to mention it in JMeter core mailing list: Selenium/WebDriver Sampler for JMeter has been released with Jmeter-plugins 1.1.0, you can read full announce here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/jmeter-plugins/A4ccH9hT92E Have a fu

Re: Remote testing - how do I see num of threads created?

2013-06-30 Thread apc
Hmm, just noticed that graph works well in GUI mode, but Console Status Logger does not in non-GUI. I need to debug this deeper. When I find something worth contributing to the core, I send patches. Remember the 5-year-old undo issue ;) - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this mess

Re: Remote testing - how do I see num of threads created?

2013-06-30 Thread apc
Until the limitation is fixed you may try using third-party jmeter additions. There is a graph for active threads [ http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/wiki/ActiveThreadsOverTime ]. Also you may see active threads count in non-gui run with console status logger [ http://code.google.com/p/jmeter

Re: Happy Purim Holiday to apc [via JMeter]

2013-02-19 Thread apc
Lol wut? - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Happy-Purim-Holiday-to-apc-via-JMeter-tp5716174p5716178.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com

Re: Long polling http request

2013-01-24 Thread apc
Yep, i used infinite get to test such case in Yandex - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Long-polling-http-request-tp5715909p5715934.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ---

Re: CTRL+Z as undo

2013-01-04 Thread apc
Philippe, is there a chance to have this patch applied in 2.9? https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=42248 I suppose even short history length will make users happy. Also there can be an option in jmeter.properties to change history length... - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintaine

Re: How to automatically generate jmeter test results in PDF OR Word

2012-11-20 Thread apc
Here's example of PDF generation at loadosophia.org: http://loadosophia.org/examples/charts/test/pdf/36262/ - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/How-to-automatically-generate-jmeter-test-results-in-PDF-OR-Word-tp5715217p571

Re: Making HTTP requests with sending headers at a per request/sampler level

2012-10-10 Thread apc
You are correct with headers. HTTP Raw Request is known to work with Connection: close only - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Making-HTTP-requests-with-sending-headers-at-a-per-request-sampler-level-tp5715007p5715008.htm

Re: 95th Percentile response time

2012-10-05 Thread apc
Take alook at this percentiles: http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/wiki/RespTimePercentiles - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/I-cannot-open-csv-file-with-error-tp5714953p5714975.html Sent from the JMeter - User mail

Re: CTRL+Z as undo

2012-09-10 Thread apc
Is there any chances to have this Undo feature in the upcoming 2.8 release? - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/CTRL-Z-as-undo-tp4848249p5714709.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ---

Re: use extraction result in other thread group

2012-08-30 Thread apc
Take a look at this features: http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/wiki/InterThreadCommunication You can set up named inter-thread communication queues with it - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/use-extraction-result-i

Re: How do most people analyze and present JMeter test results?

2012-08-29 Thread apc
And don't forget http://loadosophia.org service... - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/How-do-most-people-analyze-and-present-JMeter-test-results-tp5714583p5714586.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list archive at N

Re: why the max response time keep increasing with threads growing?

2012-08-27 Thread apc
Actually, response time MUST increase with testing threads increasing, because more and more testing threads have to wait for server to allocate CPU to process request. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/why-the-max-respo

RE: File size limit in a HTTP POST request

2012-08-13 Thread apc
Hi, Here's some old posts on the same problem: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/fileupload-test-with-JMeter-td4267154.html https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/jmeter-plugins/VDqXDNDCr6w%5B1-25%5D - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.5

Re: parsing response from a web service and display result in a graph

2012-06-15 Thread apc
There is Page Data Extractor graph in JP@GC 0.5.3: http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/wiki/PageDataExtractor - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/parsing-response-from-a-web-service-and-display-result-in-a-graph-tp571356

Re: Jmeter - execute a listener depending on a condition

2012-06-14 Thread apc
The listeners are processed outside of controllers logic. Only the scope affects listeners in JMeter. Maybe the scope will be enouth for you? - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Jmeter-execute-a-listener-depending-on-a-condi

Re: Add column to Summary Report?

2012-06-14 Thread apc
I use the Dummy Sampler for such cases as workaround. It produces samples with desired value as response time. Then I attach Summary Report to this sampler to analyse custom data. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Add-colu

Re: Jmeter - execute a listener depending on a condition

2012-06-14 Thread apc
What kind of condition do you have? - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Jmeter-execute-a-listener-depending-on-a-condition-tp5713532p5713534.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -

Re: Web-Interface to create Test-Plans

2012-05-15 Thread apc
Which advantages will it have over JMeter GUI? - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Web-Interface-to-create-Test-Plans-tp5709438p5709843.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --

Third-party JMeter plugins has been updated

2012-05-14 Thread apc
Hi all! New version of third-party "JMeter Plugins at Google Code" has been released. Key improvements are: Inter-Thread Communication plugins, Java JMX metrics in PerfMon, sampler include/exclude filters in graphs. See full changelog here: http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/wiki/Changelog

Re: Unable to execute JMeterPluginsCMD Command Line Tool

2012-05-03 Thread apc
The text you just posted shows that you still using wrong plugin-type - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Unable-to-execute-JMeterPluginsCMD-Command-Line-Tool-tp5681583p5683498.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list a

Re: Unable to execute JMeterPluginsCMD Command Line Tool

2012-05-03 Thread apc
Actually you have mistake in plugin-type. Correct type is ResponseTime/s/OverTimeGui - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Unable-to-execute-JMeterPluginsCMD-Command-Line-Tool-tp5681583p5682671.html Sent from the JMeter - User

Re: Unable to execute JMeterPluginsCMD Command Line Tool

2012-05-03 Thread apc
this tool requires to be placed and run from jmeter/lib/ext directory. Also it requires JMeterPlugins.jar to be installed in the same directory. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Unable-to-execute-JMeterPluginsCMD-Command-

Re: unable to run Jmeter Testplan from CMD

2012-04-26 Thread apc
That's because you have used in your Test Plan some "StatAggResultCollector" listener, which was implemented not for non-GUI mode. JMeter developer guidelines demands to support it, but it seems the developer didn't follow those guidelines. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this mes

Re: Is there a way to vary the number of times all the requests under the Loop controller gets excuted?

2012-04-19 Thread apc
Suddenly, here's not the case when Stepping Thread Group helps. The user really should use Loop Controller / While Controller to manage variable iteration count. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Is-there-a-way-to-vary-th

Re: Need help on Perfmon plug in

2012-04-18 Thread apc
You can provide exact java.exe path in the .bat file, dont forget to get path with spaces in quotes, like "C:\Program Files (x86)\Java\jre6\java.exe" - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Need-help-on-Perfmon-plug-in-tp5647465

Re: Need help on Perfmon plug in

2012-04-17 Thread apc
PerfMon Agent window shouldn't close immediately. You likely have a problem with your Java installation. Please, open Command Prompt window, drag-n-drop serveragent.bat file into it and press Enter. You should see the error message then - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message

Re: Dynamic Thread Group Start Delay

2012-04-06 Thread apc
Take a look at Synchonizing Timer - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Dynamic-Thread-Group-Start-Delay-tp5622047p5622236.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -

Re: Default value for collapse

2012-03-13 Thread apc
I think beginners will be confused with this as default. For short test-plans this will be inconvenient for sure. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Default-value-for-collapse-tp5560230p5560325.html Sent from the JMeter - U

Re: Constant Throughput Timer and test duration conflict

2012-03-10 Thread apc
If you operate with fixed test duration, then iteration count makes no sense, because the same test duration may include different iterations, depending on server response time. Well, all I hear about your case tells me that there's something may be inefficient in your approach. Maybe you should ch

Re: Constant Throughput Timer and test duration conflict

2012-03-10 Thread apc
http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/wiki/ThroughputShapingTimer can give you control over throughput and shuts test down when schedule end reached. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Constant-Throughput-Timer-and-test-d

Re: Moving to Java 1.6 for a future JMeter release?

2012-02-25 Thread apc
+1 for 1.6 - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Moving-to-Java-1-6-for-a-future-JMeter-release-tp5516141p5516378.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --

Re: Liferay application testing - errors after 36 minutes

2012-02-21 Thread apc
Very interesting! Could you tell, which load profile do you use? And, if possible, show us corresponding Transaction per Second graph. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Liferay-application-testing-errors-after-36-minutes-t

Re: Liferay application testing - errors after 36 minutes

2012-02-21 Thread apc
Could you set up monitoring at the machine where JMeter runs. Maybe you have some problems there? - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Liferay-application-testing-errors-after-36-minutes-tp5501731p5501779.html Sent from the J

Re: constant throughput timer vs. throughput shaping timer

2012-02-10 Thread apc
Does Load Average value the same from test to test? - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/constant-throughput-timer-vs-throughput-shaping-timer-tp5472554p5473080.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list archive at Nabble

Re: constant throughput timer vs. throughput shaping timer

2012-02-10 Thread apc
I suggest you to add Transactions Per Second litener to your test plan and look at the graph with Constant Throughput Timer. Maybe this will explain something to you. Share your insights with us! - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.na

Re: Measure HTTP Sampler upload speeds

2012-02-08 Thread apc
If you measure your upload speed in terms of time spent then JMeter is OK. Just upload file and measure full response time of the process. The lower response time the better you perform. Jmeter has no response time breakdown into send and receive stages, just separate latency. But if you have all

Re: i want to know the responce time behavior during ram up of user

2012-02-06 Thread apc
I'd suggest you using http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/wiki/CompositeGraph, with http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/wiki/ResponseTimesOverTime and http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/wiki/ActiveThreadsOverTime as data sources. This will make 2D graph with no of user and response

Re: 2 requests per second for a long period...

2012-02-04 Thread apc
Use Timers to insert delays between requests. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/2-requests-per-second-for-a-long-period-tp5454717p5456153.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. --

Re: meadian is greater than average in test result graph

2012-02-01 Thread apc
I suggest you looking at Percentiles chart: http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/wiki/RespTimePercentiles The full percentiles view will make your test data obvious to you. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/meadian-is-

Re: CTRL+Z as undo

2012-01-27 Thread apc
Seems I fixed problems I have found. The patch is added to historical Bugzilla issue, almost 5 years old (!). I hope it has chance to be released in 2.6 https://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=42248 - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmete

Re: Reading back XML sample result data

2012-01-26 Thread apc
I did in JP@GC command-line tool. And I had to rely on launching my code in Jmeter-like environment. Yes, using Jmeter's saveservice is quire inconvinient. I use ResultCollector class, it relies on SaveService, but it is more common for loading JTL files. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -

Re: CTRL+Z as undo

2012-01-22 Thread apc
I added graying, as you asked, could you try new version? http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/issues/detail?id=118 - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/CTRL-Z-as-undo-tp4848249p5164647.html Sent from the JMeter - User mai

Re: CTRL+Z as undo

2012-01-22 Thread apc
I believe there's stupud bugs yet, so I ask for simple functional tests. And I still improve and test it. I'll show the code as soon as it will become a little bit stable - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/CTRL-Z-as-undo-tp

Re: CTRL+Z as undo

2012-01-22 Thread apc
Ok, here's modified JAR and instructions: http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/issues/detail?id=118 After successfull testing i will send patch to Bugzilla. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/CTRL-Z-as-undo-tp4848249p516

Re: CTRL+Z as undo

2012-01-20 Thread apc
Woohoo, seems I'm 80% there! My programming skills raised since the last try. Now I need to polish and test it thoroughly... Any tester volunteers here? - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/CTRL-Z-as-undo-tp4848249p5161687.

Re: CTRL+Z as undo

2012-01-20 Thread apc
sebb, could you say something to us on this topic? The community ready to participate in implementing Undo feature, but for now we fail to find a way for doing this. Maybe you can offer us some clues or any other help? - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: ht

Re: Stages in load tests?

2012-01-19 Thread apc
Also try checking "Run thread groups consecutively" checkbox in Test Plan. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Stages-in-load-tests-tp5153107p5157058.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: non-blocking http request

2012-01-16 Thread apc
You have to check "re-use connection" to keep connection open between iterations. And every thread has its own connection, so I don't understand "initiate new connection for every new Thread group?" question. To close the connection just place TCP sampler with that checkbox disabled and this sa

Re: How can we achieve RTMP video streaming using JMeter?

2012-01-14 Thread apc
Do you test using flazr from inside JMeter? - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/How-can-we-achieve-RTMP-video-streaming-using-JMeter-tp5119240p5146062.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ---

Re: non-blocking http request

2012-01-14 Thread apc
There was related topic: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/How-can-we-achieve-RTMP-video-streaming-using-JMeter-td5119240.html - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/non-blocking-http-request-tp5144805p5144883.html Sent from t

Re: Create custom log files

2012-01-10 Thread apc
Do you ask of FFW behavior or JMeter's native listeners? FFW will process variables in file name only when test starts, for first sample. Then it will use this single file to write data. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.co

Re: How can we achieve RTMP video streaming using JMeter?

2012-01-06 Thread apc
Sorry, I just tested the installation of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFmpeg FFmpeg server, set up by admins. So I know nothing on configuring it. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/How-can-we-achieve-RTMP-video-streaming

Re: Create custom log files

2012-01-05 Thread apc
Hi, I just wrote a tutorial for custom logging, maybe you'll find it useful for your case: http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/wiki/FFWTutorials - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Create-custom-log-files-tp5067691p5122

Re: Create custom log files

2012-01-05 Thread apc
Well, I support your point, but for now JMeter has no ignoring feature and the only way for us is http://jmeter.apache.org/usermanual/test_plan.html#scoping_rules using scoping rules (or custom listeners, but I now none with filtering abilities, even in jp@gc). - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Mainta

Re: How can we achieve RTMP video streaming using JMeter?

2012-01-04 Thread apc
Important feature - you may change download chunk size setting tcp.infiniteTCPChunkSize property. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/How-can-we-achieve-RTMP-video-streaming-using-JMeter-tp5119240p5120349.html Sent from the

Re: How can we achieve RTMP video streaming using JMeter?

2012-01-04 Thread apc
Well, I'm not sure, but I had a task to test corporate video streaming server, which accepts simple GET request and provides infinite HTTP response, it looks pretty similar to spec http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Real_Time_Messaging_Protocol#HTTP_Tunneling_.28RTMPT.29 So I've implemented TCPClient cl

Re: How can we achieve RTMP video streaming using JMeter?

2012-01-04 Thread apc
Hi, I did streaming tests, getting infinite FLV download. I used InfiniteGetTCPClientImpl from JP@GC (http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/). This is undocumented feature, but if you interested, I'll document it. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http:

Re: Is there way to generate aggregate graph via commandline

2011-12-31 Thread apc
Hi, There is cmdline tool here, it generates some reports, but Aggreagate Graph: http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/wiki/JMeterPluginsCMD - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Is-there-way-to-generate-aggregate-graph-via

Re: how do i calculate Thread with RamUp time and Loop count..

2011-12-25 Thread apc
To have multiple logins please use http://jmeter.apache.org/usermanual/component_reference.html#CSV_Data_Set_Config CSV Data Set Config Your ramp up and loop count looks wrong for me. I suppose you should increase your loop count, make it 100 or 300. - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer --

Re: how do i calculate Thread with RamUp time and Loop count..

2011-12-25 Thread apc
Hi, Mukesh, I believe that graphs and previews are very important for a newbie, so I suggest you using http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/wiki/SteppingThreadGroup Stepping Thread Group for easy ramp-up and test duration setting. There is also several graphs in those plugins (eg http://cod

Re: Adding two numeric variables with decimal places

2011-11-24 Thread apc
Try doubleSum function from here: http://code.google.com/p/jmeter-plugins/wiki/Functions - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Adding-two-numeric-variables-with-decimal-places-tp4977855p5020512.html Sent from the JMeter - User

Re: Summary Report of Multilple Jmeter tests

2011-11-17 Thread apc
Have you seen http://Loadosophia.org Loadosophia.org ? - -- Andrey Pohilko JP@GC Maintainer -- View this message in context: http://jmeter.512774.n5.nabble.com/Summary-Report-of-Multilple-Jmeter-tests-tp5001571p5001598.html Sent from the JMeter - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ---