I am still stuck.
Have repeated this process a few times and still obtain the same results.

The file ldapwiki.war was deployed to /var/lib/tomcat9/webapps/ldapwiki.war
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 24143885 Dec 20 12:23
/var/lib/tomcat9/webapps/ldapwiki.war

We see that the ldapwiki.war was expanded to:
drwxr-x--- 10 tomcat tomcat 4096 Dec 20 12:25 ldapwiki/

When started we see: less /var/log/tomcat9/localhost.2021-01-01.log

01-Jan-2021 12:47:59.264 INFO [main]
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationContext.log  Assigning new engine to
1027332579
01-Jan-2021 12:48:00.149 INFO [main]
org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationContext.log JSPWiki: *Unable to load
and setup properties from jspwiki.properties*. Failed to start. Caused by:
null; please check log files for better information.


Verified that the file exists:
-rw-r----- 1 tomcat tomcat 1055100 Dec 9 19:16
/var/lib/tomcat9/webapps/ldapwiki/WEB-INF/lib/jspwiki-main-2.11.0.M8.jar

Verified that the jspwiki.properties file exists:
jar tvf
/var/lib/tomcat9/webapps/ldapwiki/WEB-INF/lib/jspwiki-main-2.11.0.M8.jar |
grep 'jspwiki.properties'
 44746 Wed Dec 09 19:16:24 UTC 2020 ini/jspwiki.properties

Any ideas why Tomcat9 did not find the jspwiki.properties file?
--
-jim
Jim Willeke


On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 3:34 PM Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <
juanpablo.san...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> it's located in
> JSPWiki.war!WEB-INF/lib/jspwiki-main-2.11.0.M8.jar!ini/jspwiki.properties
>
>
> br,
> juan pablo
>
> On Sun, Dec 27, 2020 at 12:46 PM Jim Willeke <j...@willeke.com> wrote:
>
> > Where is jspwiki.properties located within the JSPWiki.war file?
> >
> > I see it nowhere in
> > https://apache.osuosl.org/jspwiki/2.11.0.M8/binaries/webapp/JSPWiki.war
> >
> > --
> > -jim
> > Jim Willeke
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 3:22 PM Jim Willeke <j...@willeke.com> wrote:
> >
> > > And that is what I have attempted.
> > > And even that does not work.
> > > --
> > > -jim
> > > Jim Willeke
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 21, 2020 at 12:29 PM Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <
> > > juanpablo.san...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> given that the OS, Let's Encrypt, Tomcat, etc. are correctly
> installed,
> > >> I'd
> > >> begin with a simple, non-customized jspwiki war to make sure it
> deploys
> > >> OK. If there are problems, what's the log saying? Are you able to set
> it
> > >> to
> > >> debug level (through JAVA_OPTS, or whatever method)?
> > >>
> > >> Once you have that, I'd begin with JSPWiki customizations, f.ex., to
> set
> > >> the page directory you should be using a jspwiki-custom.properties
> file.
> > >> Where is it located? (the other option is that you've modified the
> > >> ini/jspwiki.properties inside the jspwiki-main jar, but that's
> > >> discouraged,
> > >> since it
> > >> would made JSPWiki upgrades more complex).
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> best regards,
> > >> juan pablo
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Dec 19, 2020 at 10:44 PM Jim Willeke <j...@willeke.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > The issue I have always run into is that upgrading is a huge pain.
> > >> > It is never Just JSPwiki but all the dependencies.
> > >> >
> > >> > These are the facets for upgrades I came up with:
> > >> >
> > >> >    - Operating System
> > >> >    - let's Encrypt
> > >> >    - nginx
> > >> >    - Java
> > >> >    - Tomcat
> > >> >    - JSPWiki
> > >> >       - jspwiki engine
> > >> >       - jspwiki pages
> > >> >
> > >> > Frankly speaking, this is a real pain.
> > >> >
> > >> > Install setup created:
> > >> > CATALINA_BASE: /var/lib/tomcat9
> > >> > CATALINA_HOME: /usr/share/tomcat9
> > >> >
> > >> > tomcat user home as:
> > >> > /opt/tomcat and using /bin/false
> > >> >
> > >> > And I thought page directory should be:
> > >> > /opt/tomcat/jspwikipages/ldapwiki/
> > >> >
> > >> > Then I should be able to run:
> > >> >
> > >> >    - sudo apt update
> > >> >    - sudo apt upgrade
> > >> >
> > >> > and the Operating system, let's Encrypt, nginx, Tomcat, and Java
> would
> > >> all
> > >> > be upgraded as needed.
> > >> >
> > >> > any thoughts?
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> > -jim
> > >> > Jim Willeke
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 2:19 PM Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <
> > >> > juanpablo.san...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > Hi Jim,
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I've always have worked with an environment in which CATALINA_BASE
> > ==
> > >> > > CATALINA_HOME, said that, yes, your setup seems correct to
> > >> > > me (also 2 min of google https://stackoverflow.com/a/29398713
> seem
> > to
> > >> > > confirm that).
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > best regards,
> > >> > > juan pablo
> > >> > >
> > >> > > On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 2:19 PM Jim Willeke <j...@willeke.com>
> > wrote:
> > >> > >
> > >> > > > My setup is now:
> > >> > > > DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 20.04.1 LTS"
> > >> > > > Apache Tomcat/9.0.31 (Ubuntu)
> > >> > > > Java Home:      /usr/lib/jvm/java-13-openjdk-amd64
> > >> > > > JVM Version:    13.0.4+8-Ubuntu-120.04
> > >> > > > CATALINA_BASE:  /var/lib/tomcat9
> > >> > > > CATALINA_HOME:  /usr/share/tomcat9
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > So I am assuming we would place the jspwiki.war (regardless of
> > name)
> > >> > into
> > >> > > > the
> > >> > > > $CATALINA_BASE/tomcat9/webapps/
> > >> > > > And that is where we would expect to see the folder "jspwiki"
> > >> created
> > >> > > when
> > >> > > > the war is expanded.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > And the jspwiki.war would be owned by tomcat.
> > >> > > > Is that correct?
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > --
> > >> > > > -jim
> > >> > > > Jim Willeke
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 3:44 PM Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <
> > >> > > > juanpablo.san...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > > Hi Jim,
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > apologies, the e-mail got stuck in drafts and I didn't notice
> > :-/
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > the contents of the work folder were to see which war was
> > >> deployed if
> > >> > > > > ldapwiki.war or folder.war.. The unfound jspwiki.properties
> file
> > >> > should
> > >> > > > be
> > >> > > > > inside the jspwiki-main jar, under the ini folder.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > As for starting tomcat passing some system properties and as
> it
> > >> seems
> > >> > > > that
> > >> > > > > the jspwiki.properties file can't be found when starting
> > JSPWiki,
> > >> on
> > >> > > your
> > >> > > > > $TOMCAT_HOME/bin/catalina.sh file, locate the commented line
> > were
> > >> the
> > >> > > > > JAVA_OPTS variable is set and uncomment it and set it to
> > something
> > >> > > like:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > JAVA_OPTS="$JAVA_OPTS -Dlog4j.rootCategory=DEBUG,ConsoleLog"
> and
> > >> that
> > >> > > > > should be fine to start tomcat.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Also, do you have any jspwiki-custom.properties file set? is
> so,
> > >> how?
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > Last but not least, would you mind trying with new 2.11.0.M8?
> it
> > >> > > > contains a
> > >> > > > > couple of serious fixes related to search indexing +
> workflows'
> > >> > > > persistence
> > >> > > > > on disk
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > best regards,
> > >> > > > > juan pablo
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 4:13 PM Jim Willeke <j...@willeke.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > > > I changed to folder.war, as I was making a feeble attempt to
> > >> hide
> > >> > > > details
> > >> > > > > > about ldapwiki.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Not sure what you are looking for here:
> > >> > > > > > ll /var/lib/tomcat9/work/Catalina/localhost/
> > >> > > > > > total 24
> > >> > > > > > drwxr-x--- 6 tomcat tomcat 4096 Dec  4 10:43 ./
> > >> > > > > > drwxr-x--- 3 tomcat tomcat 4096 Dec  4 09:49 ../
> > >> > > > > > drwxr-x--- 3 tomcat tomcat 4096 Dec  4 11:55 host-manager/
> > >> > > > > > drwxr-x--- 2 tomcat tomcat 4096 Dec  4 10:43 ldapwiki/
> > >> > > > > > drwxr-x--- 3 tomcat tomcat 4096 Dec  6 10:48 manager/
> > >> > > > > > drwxr-x--- 2 tomcat tomcat 4096 Dec  4 09:49 ROOT/
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > /var/lib/tomcat9/work/Catalina/localhost/ldapwiki/
> > >> > > > > > total 8
> > >> > > > > > drwxr-x--- 2 tomcat tomcat 4096 Dec  4 10:43 ./
> > >> > > > > > drwxr-x--- 6 tomcat tomcat 4096 Dec  4 10:43 ../
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > Sorry, No idea how I would start tomcat using
> > >> > > > > > "-Dlog4j.rootCategory=DEBUG,ConsoleLog"
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > systemctl status tomcat9
> > >> > > > > > ● tomcat9.service - Apache Tomcat 9 Web Application Server
> > >> > > > > >      Loaded: loaded (/lib/systemd/system/tomcat9.service;
> > >> enabled;
> > >> > > > vendor
> > >> > > > > > preset: enabled)
> > >> > > > > >      Active: active (running) since Sun 2020-12-06 10:48:37
> > >> UTC; 1
> > >> > > day
> > >> > > > 4h
> > >> > > > > > ago
> > >> > > > > >        Docs:
> > >> https://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-9.0-doc/index.html
> > >> > > > > >     Process: 549
> > >> > > > > ExecStartPre=/usr/libexec/tomcat9/tomcat-update-policy.sh
> > >> > > > > > (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
> > >> > > > > >    Main PID: 574 (java)
> > >> > > > > >       Tasks: 37 (limit: 4620)
> > >> > > > > >      Memory: 255.9M
> > >> > > > > >      CGroup: /system.slice/tomcat9.service
> > >> > > > > >              └─574 /usr/lib/jvm/default-java/bin/java
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> >
> > -Djava.util.logging.config.file=/var/lib/tomcat9/conf/logging.properties
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> -Djava.util.logging.manager=org.apache.juli.ClassLoaderLogManager
> > >> > > > > > -Djava.awt.headless=true -Djdk.tls.ephemeralDHKe>
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > --
> > >> > > > > > -jim
> > >> > > > > > Jim Willeke
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > On Mon, Dec 7, 2020 at 9:09 AM Juan Pablo Santos Rodríguez <
> > >> > > > > > juanpablo.san...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > Hi Jim,
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > you mention initially that the war is deployed as
> folder.war
> > >> > > instead
> > >> > > > of
> > >> > > > > > > ldapwiki.war, is that correct? What files are placed
> inside
> > >> > > > > > > $TOMCAT_HOME/work? Also, would you mind starting tomcat
> > >> providing
> > >> > > it
> > >> > > > a
> > >> > > > > > > "-Dlog4j.rootCategory=DEBUG,ConsoleLog" argument?
> > >> > > > > > > That should provide more information on catalina.out
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > best regards,
> > >> > > > > > > juan pablo
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > On Sun, Dec 6, 2020 at 11:55 AM Jim Willeke <
> > j...@willeke.com>
> > >> > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > Here is what I see:
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > less /var/log/tomcat9/catalina.2020-12-06.log
> > >> > > > > > > > 06-Dec-2020 10:48:43.248 INFO [main]
> > >> > > > > > > > org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.deployDescriptor
> > >> > > Deployment
> > >> > > > of
> > >> > > > > > > > deployment descriptor
> > >> > > > > > [/etc/tomcat9/Catalina/localhost/host-manager.xml]
> > >> > > > > > > > has finished in [416] ms
> > >> > > > > > > > 06-Dec-2020 10:48:43.252 INFO [main]
> > >> > > > > > > > org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.deployWAR
> Deploying
> > >> web
> > >> > > > > > > application
> > >> > > > > > > > archive [/var/lib/tomcat9/webapps/ldapwiki.war]
> > >> > > > > > > > 06-Dec-2020 10:48:45.254 INFO [main]
> > >> > > > > > > > org.apache.jasper.servlet.TldScanner.scanJars At least
> one
> > >> JAR
> > >> > > was
> > >> > > > > > > scanned
> > >> > > > > > > > for TLDs yet contained no TLDs. Enable debug logging for
> > >> this
> > >> > > > logger
> > >> > > > > > for
> > >> > > > > > > a
> > >> > > > > > > > complete list of JARs that were scanned but no TLDs were
> > >> found
> > >> > in
> > >> > > > > them.
> > >> > > > > > > > Skipping unneeded JARs during scanning can improve
> startup
> > >> time
> > >> > > and
> > >> > > > > JSP
> > >> > > > > > > > compilation time.
> > >> > > > > > > > 06-Dec-2020 10:48:46.202 SEVERE [main]
> > >> > > > > > > > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext.startInternal
> One
> > >> or
> > >> > > more
> > >> > > > > > > Filters
> > >> > > > > > > > failed to start. Full details will be found in the
> > >> appropriate
> > >> > > > > > container
> > >> > > > > > > > log file
> > >> > > > > > > > 06-Dec-2020 10:48:46.202 SEVERE [main]
> > >> > > > > > > > org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext.startInternal
> > >> Context
> > >> > > > > > > [/ldapwiki]
> > >> > > > > > > > startup failed due to previous errors
> > >> > > > > > > > 06-Dec-2020 10:48:46.206 WARNING [main]
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> >
> > org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoaderBase.clearReferencesThreads
> > >> > > > > > > The
> > >> > > > > > > > web application [ldapwiki] appears to have started a
> > thread
> > >> > named
> > >> > > > > > > > [__DEFAULT__] but has failed to stop it. This is very
> > >> likely to
> > >> > > > > create
> > >> > > > > > a
> > >> > > > > > > > memory leak. Stack trace of thread:
> > >> > > > > > > >  java.base@11.0.9.1/java.lang.Object.wait(Native
> Method)
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > java.base@11.0.9.1/java.lang.Object.wait(Object.java:328)
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > java.base@11.0.9.1/java.util.TimerThread.mainLoop(Timer.java:527)
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> java.base@11.0.9.1/java.util.TimerThread.run(Timer.java:506)
> > >> > > > > > > > 06-Dec-2020 10:48:46.206 WARNING [main]
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> >
> > org.apache.catalina.loader.WebappClassLoaderBase.clearReferencesThreads
> > >> > > > > > > The
> > >> > > > > > > > web application [ldapwiki] appears to have started a
> > thread
> > >> > named
> > >> > > > > > > > [Statistics Thread-__DEFAULT__-1] but has failed to stop
> > it.
> > >> > This
> > >> > > > is
> > >> > > > > > very
> > >> > > > > > > > likely to create a memory leak. Stack trace of thread:
> > >> > > > > > > >
> java.base@11.0.9.1/jdk.internal.misc.Unsafe.park(Native
> > >> > Method)
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> java.base@11.0.9.1/java.util.concurrent.locks.LockSupport.parkNanos(LockSupport.java:234)
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> java.base@11.0.9.1/java.util.concurrent.locks.AbstractQueuedSynchronizer$ConditionObject.awaitNanos(AbstractQueuedSynchronizer.java:2123)
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> java.base@11.0.9.1/java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$DelayedWorkQueue.take(ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor.java:1182)
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> java.base@11.0.9.1/java.util.concurrent.ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor$DelayedWorkQueue.take(ScheduledThreadPoolExecutor.java:899)
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> java.base@11.0.9.1/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.getTask(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1054)
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> java.base@11.0.9.1/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor.runWorker(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:1114)
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > >
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> java.base@11.0.9.1/java.util.concurrent.ThreadPoolExecutor$Worker.run(ThreadPoolExecutor.java:628)
> > >> > > > > > > >
> java.base@11.0.9.1/java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:834)
> > >> > > > > > > > 06-Dec-2020 10:48:46.215 INFO [main]
> > >> > > > > > > > org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.deployWAR
> > Deployment
> > >> of
> > >> > > web
> > >> > > > > > > > application archive
> > [/var/lib/tomcat9/webapps/ldapwiki.war]
> > >> has
> > >> > > > > > finished
> > >> > > > > > > in
> > >> > > > > > > > [2,963] ms
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > --
> > >> > > > > > > > -jim
> > >> > > > > > > > Jim Willeke
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > On Sat, Dec 5, 2020 at 10:23 AM Harry Metske <
> > >> > > > harry.met...@gmail.com
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > does catalina.out reveal any more detail?
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > regards,
> > >> > > > > > > > > Harry
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > On Fri, 4 Dec 2020 at 13:31, Jim Willeke <
> > j...@willeke.com
> > >> >
> > >> > > > wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > New install.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Apache Tomcat/9.0.31 (Ubuntu)
> > >> > > > > > > > > > 11.0.9.1+1-Ubuntu-0ubuntu1.20.04
> > >> > > > > > > > > > JspWiki: 2.11.0.M7 (Binary download)
> > >> > > > > > > > > > java --version openjdk 11.0.9.1 2020-11-04
> > >> > > > > > > > > > OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build
> > >> > > > 11.0.9.1+1-Ubuntu-0ubuntu1.20.04,
> > >> > > > > > > mixed
> > >> > > > > > > > > > mode, sharing)
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > No Issue accessing
> > >> > > > > > > > > > http://<ipaddress>:8080/manager/
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > CATALINA_BASE="/var/lib/tomcat9"
> > >> > > > > > > > > > CATALINA_HOME="/usr/share/tomcat9"
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Copied war file to /var/lib/tomcat9/webapps/
> > >> > > > > > > > > > drwxr-x--- 10 tomcat tomcat     4096 Dec  4 10:43
> > >> folder/
> > >> > > > > > > > > > -rw-r--r--  1 tomcat tomcat 23277026 Dec  4 10:19
> > >> > folder.war
> > >> > > > > > > > > > drwxr-xr-x  3 tomcat tomcat     4096 Dec  4 09:49
> > ROOT/
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Seems like appropriate files are expanded at:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > /var/lib/tomcat9/webapps/folder/ (jsps and WEB-INF/
> > etc)
> > >> > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > INFO [main]
> > >> org.apache.catalina.core.ApplicationContext.log
> > >> > > > > ERROR:
> > >> > > > > > > > Failed
> > >> > > > > > > > > > to create a Wiki engine: JSPWiki: *Unable to load
> and
> > >> setup
> > >> > > > > > > properties
> > >> > > > > > > > > from
> > >> > > > > > > > > > jspwiki.properties. Failed to start.* Caused by:
> null;
> > >> > please
> > >> > > > > check
> > >> > > > > > > log
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> -name
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