Re: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-09 Thread Martin Gainty
al Message - From: "Larry Meadors" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Struts Users Mailing List" Cc: "Martin Gainty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, October 09, 2006 10:51 AM Subject: Re: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model > On 10/9/06, Wesley Wannemacher <[EMAIL PR

RE: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-09 Thread Dave Newton
> From: Wesley Wannemacher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > [...] I think this actually stifles my Java development from time to time > because I tend to think in terms of 'normalized db' rather than 'good OO' I'm not entirely sure I see a huge differentiation between the two. > I figured the busine

Re: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-09 Thread Larry Meadors
On 10/9/06, Wesley Wannemacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Wow :) I am really glad you asked that! I actually came to Java Development from a DBE background. Normalization is actually one of my favorite topics of discussion, and I think this actually stifles my Java development from time to time b

RE: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-09 Thread Wesley Wannemacher
> -Original Message- > From: Martin Gainty [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Saturday, October 07, 2006 10:19 AM > To: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model > > Good Morning Martin- > > I would say you'

AW: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-07 Thread Martin Kindler
uts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Betreff: Re: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model > > > Good Morning Martin- > > I would say you're definitely on the right track > and would inquire th reasons for combiinge 2 tables into one bean > > If the DB is designed so that

Re: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-07 Thread Martin Gainty
are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, disclosure, dissemination, distribution or copying of it or its conte - Original Message - From: "Martin Kindler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Friday, October 06, 2006 10:43 AM S

Re: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-06 Thread Mississippi John Hurt
I also like Ibatis better. To me, Ibatis is a better, more efficient, more flexible, practical, transparent framework that gives you more control than Hibernate. On 10/6/06, Albert L. Sapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: +1 Al Larry Meadors wrote: > On 10/6/06, Ivo Limmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote

Re: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-06 Thread Albert L. Sapp
+1 Al Larry Meadors wrote: On 10/6/06, Ivo Limmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: iBATIS is only a small helper tool that will help you to map objects to the database. This requires a lot of code to write. If you use Hibernate you can write the mapping and generate your beans. Hibernate does howev

Re: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-06 Thread Larry Meadors
On 10/6/06, Ivo Limmen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: iBATIS is only a small helper tool that will help you to map objects to the database. This requires a lot of code to write. If you use Hibernate you can write the mapping and generate your beans. Hibernate does however require some practice, it ha

RE: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-06 Thread Wesley Wannemacher
Hello, > > > First, I am going to design a database, then build a bunch of > > beans that > > more or less represent the data in the database by going > > mostly one bean > > for each table. There will likely be a few cases where one bean will > > represent two tables (1:n relationship, where

Re: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-06 Thread Ivo Limmen
Hi Wesley, Our company has just decided to standardize on Struts (1.3.5 currently) and for database mapping for Hibernate 3 and up.Struts is not limited to a specific database mapping tool, so you will need to make a selection. iBATIS is only a small helper tool that will help you to map objects

AW: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-06 Thread Martin Kindler
> First, I am going to design a database, then build a bunch of > beans that > more or less represent the data in the database by going > mostly one bean > for each table. There will likely be a few cases where one bean will > represent two tables (1:n relationship, where the attributes in the > '

Re: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-06 Thread Albert L. Sapp
Wesley Wannemacher wrote: Hello, I am not really a Java Guru, but have made the experience that in effect the name "Bean" is - in the context of Struts-based Webapps - really nothing more than a POJO following the naming conventions of JavaBeans for getters/setters. Awesome, thank

Re: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-06 Thread Albert L. Sapp
Wesley, From personal experience, I know where you are coming from. I started out knowing even less about this than you. I will say though that it was fairly easy and quick to pick up both Struts and iBatis. The design standards were handed down from a project leader long gone before we ev

RE: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-06 Thread Wesley Wannemacher
Hello, > > I am not really a Java Guru, but have made the experience > that in effect the > name "Bean" is - in the context of Struts-based Webapps - > really nothing > more than a POJO following the naming conventions of JavaBeans for > getters/setters. Awesome, thanks! I figured as much, b

Re: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-06 Thread Simon Chappell
On 10/6/06, Wesley Wannemacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello, I'm exercising the 'Casual Friday' rule here to ask some general questions. I apologize in advance if I break any list etiquette, but I subscribed on Monday and have been waiting patiently for Friday so that I can get these questio

Re: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-06 Thread Larry Meadors
The iBATIS in Action book has a really good sample application that uses iBATIS and Struts. You can get the ebook now in from the MEAP ($22.50), but if you need the dead tree version, it won't be ready until December: - http://manning.com/begin/ If free is more your price range, Rick Reumann has

AW: FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-06 Thread Martin Kindler
I am not really a Java Guru, but have made the experience that in effect the name "Bean" is - in the context of Struts-based Webapps - really nothing more than a POJO following the naming conventions of JavaBeans for getters/setters. With respect to the "middle layer", it really pays off to separa

FRIDAY #1 JavaBeans/Model

2006-10-06 Thread Wesley Wannemacher
Hello, I'm exercising the 'Casual Friday' rule here to ask some general questions. I apologize in advance if I break any list etiquette, but I subscribed on Monday and have been waiting patiently for Friday so that I can get these questions off my chest. Thanks! I've been working on Java/JSP for