On 1/12/06, Alexandre Poitras <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On 1/12/06, Werner Punz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Alexandre Poitras wrote:
> > > I agree with you Michael since our designer is a big fan of Zen Garden
> > > and I must say I don't miss working with tables :) I would like a
> > > str
On 1/12/06, Werner Punz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Alexandre Poitras wrote:
> > I agree with you Michael since our designer is a big fan of Zen Garden
> > and I must say I don't miss working with tables :) I would like a
> > strict XHTML rendererkit but I must say that at least the JSF standard
>
Alexandre Poitras wrote:
I agree with you Michael since our designer is a big fan of Zen Garden
and I must say I don't miss working with tables :) I would like a
strict XHTML rendererkit but I must say that at least the JSF standard
components don't produce garbage . What I am doing right now is
On 1/12/06, Werner Punz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Rick Reumann schrieb:
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> > Please don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-JSF - I really like a LOT of it.
> > I just wish there was some kind of effort to bring a lot of this
> > together into one 'framework' - I know this goes against a lot of the
Rick Reumann schrieb:
> Please don't get me wrong, I'm not anti-JSF - I really like a LOT of it.
> I just wish there was some kind of effort to bring a lot of this
> together into one 'framework' - I know this goes against a lot of the
> open source thinking, but if Shale is that useful, which I b
I am also in a hurry so I will answer more extensively later...
just to your problem now
Rick Reumann schrieb:
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> Sort off-topic but what do you use in JSF to create a display of List
> data from a managedBean? I believe I was told to use DataTable and
> that's what I used in my lesson, but I t
I agree with you Michael since our designer is a big fan of Zen Garden
and I must say I don't miss working with tables :) I would like a
strict XHTML rendererkit but I must say that at least the JSF standard
components don't produce garbage . What I am doing right now is
developping new renderers f
Thanks for your comments ... I'll try to give you answers based on that
below.
On 1/11/06, Angel Navarro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi Craig,
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> thanks for you reply.
>
> > For the purposes of this reply, I'm going to assume by your use of the
> term
> > "Struts" that you mean the existing
That may be true, but my point is that I hear a lot of developers asking
"why is JSF better?", and my contention is that very few, if any,
examples that exists today really provides that answer. Craig mentioned
MailReader as the cannonical application around these parts, and I just
said that M
Mailreader is for developers, not for people from marketing
department. It is not supposed to be beautiful, it is supposed to show
how common tasks are done with Struts: data in, processing, data out.
How it is presented is not that important. I mean it is important that
a framework can generate li
I would agree, except for the fact that MailReader is not by any measure
an impressive application (sufficient yes, but not impressive)... in the
context of JSF (and Shale), where at least part of the point is to
enable easily building more advanced types of applications (that *IS*
part of the
On 1/11/06, Frank W. Zammetti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> My major complaint is that every single example and tutorial I've found is
> so simplistic and frankly ugly as hell that it can't help but cast JSF in
> a bad light
Sure sounds a lot like a canonical example program that's been around
On 1/11/06, Rick Reumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Unfortunately I have to run out to do some things this afternoon, and
> can't reply in as much detail as I'd like to the below, but I'll quickly
> comment...
>
> Werner Punz wrote the following on 1/11/2006 10:51 AM:
> > Hi Rick the confusion
Unfortunately I have to run out to do some things this afternoon, and
can't reply in as much detail as I'd like to the below, but I'll quickly
comment...
Werner Punz wrote the following on 1/11/2006 10:51 AM:
Hi Rick the confusion you are talking about, is basically the same you
have by jumpin
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
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> String var =
> (String)FacesContext.getCurrentInstance().getExternalContext().getRequestParameterMap().get("variableName");
>
A yes the lovely Request Factory->context...-> cascade
I personally always use either ioc for managed beans
or some utils classes (there i
Hi Rick the confusion you are talking about, is basically the same you
have by jumping onto any framework.
Mind you that I had to move from JSF to Struts for a project a while
ago, and I had the same feeling backwards ;-)
A very good entry point into jsf is:
www.jsftutorials.net/
But as is I can
On Wed, January 11, 2006 10:06 am, Rick Reumann said:
> Anyway, I'm totally babbling now, but am I the only one that feels this
> confusion? It's more confusing when you try to think of how you can use
> these different technologies together (ie Shale and MyFaces).
You are most definitely NOT alon
--snip--
> Try to pretend you just know a little about the buzz words.. JSF and
> Shale. Now start googling to try to understand JSF. The Sun site I
think
> is pretty poorly organized. This article
--snip--
>
> I guess what I'm getting at is there really should be a simple page
that
> dumbs dow
Craig McClanahan wrote the following on 1/10/2006 7:37 PM:
Not really. Shale is a completely separate framework that leverages the
fact that JSF already provides a controller servlet, plus support for
navigation and other simiklar things. It shares no code with the
Struts 1.xcontroller framewo
Hi Craig,
thanks for you reply.
> For the purposes of this reply, I'm going to assume by your use of the
term
> "Struts" that you mean the existing Struts 1.1 or 1.2 (or the upcoming 1.3
)
> framework, correct?
Yes, I know Struts 1.1 or 1.2 and in other project, I used Struts 1.1.
> If you are
On 1/10/06, Angel Navarro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Hi,
>
> I have to take a difficult decision.
>
> I have to develop a new web application and I think that I have to use
> JSF,
> but I also think that I have use Struts as Controller.
For the purposes of this reply, I'm going to assume by y
Hi,
I have to take a difficult decision.
I have to develop a new web application and I think that I have to use JSF,
but I also think that I have use Struts as Controller.
The web application that I have to develop it's a medium, big application.
The two alternatives are Shale or Struts-faces,
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