RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-30 Thread Mark Galbreath
Amen, brother! Like I said when I began this thread...Struts is dead and Java is a C# wannabie. ~mark -Original Message- From: Gregory Seidman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:17 PM To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs So I hate to feed

RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-30 Thread Mark Galbreath
u missed the obvious innuendo and half-assed attempt at humor -Original Message- From: Larry Meadors [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 5:32 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs IMO, the IDE bigots are engaged in some sort

RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-30 Thread jacob.willig
To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs Amen, brother! Like I said when I began this thread...Struts is dead and Java is a C# wannabie. ~mark -Original Message- From: Gregory Seidman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:17 PM To: user@struts.apache.org

RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-30 Thread jacob.willig
2005 14:28 To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs I very much like the ease of use of struts (yes it need some improvements still) and everytime I encounter a lack of functionality building my JSP I will have to ask myself if this is lack of functionality or simply an attempt

RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Mark Galbreath
Yan, Us old guys still know a quiche-eater like you when we see one: http://www.pbm.com/~lindahl/real.programmers.html http://www.multicians.org/thvv/realprogs.html If you can't debug with Lint, get the hell off the keyboard. ~mark -Original Message- From: Mark Galbreath Sent:

RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Brian Lee
I've noticed over the years that people who start IDE threads are unappreciated. I've also noticed that programmers who talk about how other programmers are the worst, are the worst programmers. Real programmers are too busy fixing the worst programmers to complain. BAL From: Mark

RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Durham David R Jr Ctr 805 CSPTS/SCE
I've noticed over the years that people who start IDE threads are unappreciated. I've also noticed that programmers who talk about how other programmers are the worst, are the worst programmers. Real programmers are too busy fixing the worst programmers to complain. How exactly do you

Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Larry Meadors
Don't forget this one: http://thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html My personal favorite: Creative Miss-spelling! Long live VI!!! Larry - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Dave Newton
Brian Lee wrote: I've also noticed that programmers who talk about how other programmers are the worst, are the worst programmers. Real programmers are too busy fixing the worst programmers to complain. No no, we must take complain-breaks in order to keep from pulling our own heads off.

Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Dave Newton
Durham David R Jr Ctr 805 CSPTS/SCE wrote: How exactly do you fix a worst programmer? Take away their keyboard? Actually, with all this auto-generation stuff, you'll have to take their mouse too. Monochrome 80x25 ADM31A or Hazeltine 1510 w/ 9600 baud serial link. Dave

RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Mark Galbreath
I just asked one of our analysts about this and she said, Don't be silly, it's ALL about the TOOL! When I asked her what she meant, exactly, she replied, The bigger the tool, the more room for error. And that's a GOOD thing? I asked astounded. She assured me that the best programmers she

Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Larry Meadors
IMO, the IDE bigots are engaged in some sort of Freudian phallic compensation. I am confident enough to code with vi (it is even smaller than emacs). So...what does that say about people who use WebSphere Application Developer or Sun Java Studio Creator 2004Q2? Think about it... Larry On

RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Yan Hu
Look at the job market for the server side now. 3 years ago, .Net took only 20% of the server side market. Now it is creeping up to 40%. .Net is better or faster than Java? Nah.. Some .Net zealots otained some benchmarks on Tiger and .Net1.1 using linPack. Tiger outperformed .Net. But why is

Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Larry Meadors
I use VS.NET - it is a turd with icing. Better than just a turd, but still not a brownie. Larry On 6/29/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look at the job market for the server side now. 3 years ago, .Net took only 20% of the server side market. Now it is creeping up to 40%. .Net is

Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Yan Hu
I use VS.NET - it is a turd with icing. This is an empty statement without any hard evidence to back it up. Better than just a turd, but still not a brownie. The market says the turd is good... So you will have to eat it or lose 40% of the pie and that number is still going up. Thanks to

re: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Leon Rosenberg
2005 23:48 An: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs I use VS.NET - it is a turd with icing. This is an empty statement without any hard evidence to back it up. Better than just a turd, but still not a brownie. The market says the turd is good

re: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Leon Rosenberg
2005 23:48 An: Struts Users Mailing List; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs I use VS.NET - it is a turd with icing. This is an empty statement without any hard evidence to back it up. Better than just a turd, but still not a brownie. The market says the turd is good

RE: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Mark Benussi
disagrees with 'me'. Code completion is a God send, and I swear that my CTRL and space keys are wearing out. -Original Message- From: Larry Meadors [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 29 June 2005 22:32 To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs IMO, the IDE bigots

Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Gregory Seidman
So I hate to feed the trolls, but... On Wed, Jun 29, 2005 at 02:35:50PM -0700, Yan Hu wrote: } Look at the job market for the server side now. 3 years ago, .Net took } only 20% of the server side market. Now it is creeping up to 40%. .Net is } better or faster than Java? Nah.. Some .Net zealots

Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread Yan Hu
Hi Gregory: C# is a simple, clean yet very powerful language. I love it. I admit it is a bit painful to do the front develpment in J2EE. But we have JSF now which is just as good as ASP.net's server controlls. I believe it is better than ASP.NET 1.1. I like the idea of externalizing

Re: [OT] Stinking IDEs

2005-06-29 Thread netsql
enough! only on fridays. and if particapate! .V - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]