Re: JSF or Struts Classic (was Vs)

2005-09-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/21/05, Siva Jagadeesan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 1. is it difficult to switch from Struts to JSF for Struts-enabled ;-) > > developer. How steep is the learning curve? > > There is going to be initial learning curve for sure. BUT IT IS WORTH it. > Struts and JSF are totally in different p

Re: JSF or Struts Classic (was Vs)

2005-09-21 Thread Michael Jouravlev
On 9/21/05, Ted Husted <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 9/21/05, Siva Jagadeesan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 1. is it difficult to switch from Struts to JSF for Struts-enabled ;-) > > > developer. How steep is the learning curve? > > > > There is going to be initial learning curve for sure. BUT

Re: JSF or Struts Classic (was Vs)

2005-09-21 Thread Craig McClanahan
On 9/21/05, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would like to hear what a component is. Definitions can differ. JSF > hides the strict definition of component quite well, here is one, done > indirectly (JSF 1.1 spec, chapter 1.2.2): > > === cut here === > Component writers are respon

Re: JSF or Struts Classic (was Vs)

2005-09-22 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/21/05, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > It is possible to create Struts/JSP components which can do > everything from the bulleted list above, maybe not nicely > packaged, but they can be called components nonetheless: > http://today.java.net/pub/a/today/2005/08/04/jsp

Re: JSF or Struts Classic (was Vs)

2005-09-22 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/22/05, Michael Jouravlev <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And that ASP.NET component approach relies on massive IDE and backend > support. I wonder how to encapsulate one component into another with > JSF or ASP.NET. Visual tools help to drag the component on the screen Hmmm, I wouldn't say "rely

RE: JSF or Struts Classic (was Vs)

2005-09-22 Thread Michael Oliver
For me, a "Component" can occur at any level. On a page for example a Component may be a custom control, applet or an object that is exposed via a custom tag. Tapestry, JSF, ASPX all have these kinds of components. But if you are talking at the application level, then Components take on a comple

Re: JSF or Struts Classic (was Vs)

2005-09-26 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/22/05, Michael Oliver <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If you are going to compose an application > from components, then the components are more closely aligned with the > business objects they encapsulate. A "Customer" component then may be > composed into any number of Applications from Accou

Re: JSF or Struts Classic (was Vs)

2005-09-27 Thread Dakota Jack
There is a fundamental problem with talking about the "definition" of words in other than a "lexical" sense. Words do not have definitions like you find, for example, in biology but, rather, have meanings and the meaning is, as Ludwig Wittgenstein loved to say, "the use". People who look for and