Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-12 Thread Dave Newton
Ted Husted wrote: Reasonable minds can disagree. :) No they can't. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-12 Thread James Mitchell
] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 10:59 AM Subject: Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation Ted Husted wrote: Reasonable minds can disagree. :) No they can't. Dave - To unsubscribe, e

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-12 Thread Dave Newton
James Mitchell wrote: I disagree. Wait, trinary logic? Dave Is it Friday already? Newton Ted Husted wrote: Reasonable minds can disagree. :) No they can't. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-12 Thread James Mitchell
: jmitchtx Yahoo: jmitchtx MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Dave Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Struts Users Mailing List user@struts.apache.org Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 11:16 AM Subject: Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation James Mitchell wrote: I disagree. Wait

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-12 Thread Dave Newton
James Mitchell wrote: I consider myself a reasonably minded person, yet I tend to disagree with such assertions that, in my mind, are unreasonable. Yeah, but I was being sarcastic. Look, an argument isn't simply a contradiction [...] Yes it is. Dave

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-11 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/10/05, Benedict, Paul C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read Michael Jouravlev's article: http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation I can't find any blog or comment box on the page, so I'll write here. I would like people to freely respond to my comments.

RE: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-11 Thread Benedict, Paul C
Jouravlev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:51 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation On 5/10/05, Benedict, Paul C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read Michael Jouravlev's article: http://wiki.apache.org/struts

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-10 Thread Pedro Salgado
On 10/05/2005 21:30, Benedict, Paul C [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have read Michael Jouravlev's article: http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation I can't find any blog or comment box on the page, so I'll write here. I would like people to freely respond to my

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-10 Thread Aladin Alaily
Hi Paul, Doesn't putting all of the output data in the session or even in the request add even more clutter and confusion? When the data is nicely packaged in an object you can manipulate it more easily and you can keep track of where the information came from. Although using an ActionForm

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-10 Thread Pedro Salgado
On 10/05/2005 22:21, Aladin Alaily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Paul, Doesn't putting all of the output data in the session or even in the request add even more clutter and confusion? When the data is nicely packaged in an object you can manipulate it more easily and you can keep track of

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-10 Thread Aladin Alaily
Dave Newton wrote: Isn't that where ActionForms are? In any case, nobody said it couldn't be encapsulated in some nice, tidy object. You're absolutely right. This is exactly what I do. It's just that when Paul said the following: I put my output data exclusively in request or session

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-10 Thread Leon Rosenberg
I've read the article now too, and must say i can't disagree more. First: HTML FORM is submitted from the input page, usually using POST request method. Struts populates form bean (marked with [F]) with request data. Then form bean validates input and if something wrong, it generates error

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-10 Thread Leon Rosenberg
I've read the article now too, and must say i can't disagree more. First: HTML FORM is submitted from the input page, usually using POST request method. Struts populates form bean (marked with [F]) with request data. Then form bean validates input and if something wrong, it generates error

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-10 Thread Michael Jouravlev
One more thing: On 5/10/05, Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now seriously. Using ActionForms for result presentation is just a matter of bad style, it doesn't mean, that struts is badstyles, after all, everything, that can be misused, will be :-) So, you are saying that using

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-10 Thread Leon Rosenberg
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Michael Jouravlev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Mai 2005 23:58 An: Struts Users Mailing List Betreff: Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation One more thing: On 5/10/05, Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now seriously

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-10 Thread Leon Rosenberg
-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Michael Jouravlev [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. Mai 2005 23:58 An: Struts Users Mailing List Betreff: Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation One more thing: On 5/10/05, Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now seriously

Re: StrutsCatalogInputOutputSeparation

2005-05-10 Thread Michael Jouravlev
See inline On 5/10/05, Leon Rosenberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aehm... The double submit problem is not a problem of POST or GET request. Ist a problem of bad programmed browsers, proxies etc, and there are enough techniques to avoid it. No. It IS a problem of POST and GET