Re: ibatis v hibernate

2006-12-19 Thread Larry Meadors
OK, per your request: I just talked to a developer who works for a company that I worked with last summer (both of them will remain nameless). While I was there, we had a mapped statement that was a monster - about 300-400 lines long when you combined the result map and the sql statement. To run

Re: ibatis v hibernate

2006-12-19 Thread Ron Chan
Thank you all for some great feedback. Especially the 2 for 1 deal from Clinton - an ORM discussion and a history lesson :) However, I'm still in search of "answers" - maybe it's because I'm not sure what it is I'm asking for, kind of like the answer to the ultimate question ;) I have tried Hib

RE: ibatis v hibernate

2006-12-19 Thread Shardayyy
This might be a good read. http://www.mail-archive.com/ibatis-user-java@incubator.apache.org/msg01251.h tml _ From: Clinton Begin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 18, 2006 11:37 PM To: user-java@ibatis.apache.org Subject: Re: ibatis v hibernate The

Re: ibatis v hibernate

2006-12-18 Thread Clinton Begin
The problem with pros and cons is that they change almost on a per project basis. I'd suggest just adding the above comments to the "Feedback and experiences" section of the wiki page. Cheers, Clinton On 12/18/06, Eric T. Blue <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IMHO, I think Larry and Nathan are bot

Re: ibatis v hibernate

2006-12-18 Thread Eric T. Blue
IMHO, I think Larry and Nathan are both partially right. I believe it's safe to say that discussions on the topic of persistence frameworks in Java are sometimes as intense as political or religious debates ;) Personally, I think a high-level breakdown of the differences between frameworks would

Re: ibatis v hibernate

2006-12-18 Thread Nathan Maves
How about a more general description of the differences and usage. BTW there is nothing wrong with stating reasons why our product is better then others at specific tasks. Nathan On 12/18/06, Larry Meadors <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Heh, that it would probably be considered "flame-bait'. Lar

Re: ibatis v hibernate

2006-12-18 Thread Larry Meadors
Heh, that it would probably be considered "flame-bait'. Larry On 12/18/06, Nathan Maves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: These are all great success stories. Coming from someone who has never tried Hibernate I love reading these. What are some thought about putting together a page about IBATIS vs

Re: ibatis v hibernate

2006-12-18 Thread Nathan Maves
MAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:24 PM *To:* user-java@ibatis.apache.org *Subject:* Re: ibatis v hibernate I'll let the user community speak to the practical experiences, but at a practices level consider the following at a philisophical level. All databases are legacy databa

RE: ibatis v hibernate

2006-12-17 Thread Hariharan, Vadivelu \(IE10\)
_ From: Clinton Begin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 3:24 PM To: user-java@ibatis.apache.org Subject: Re: ibatis v hibernate I'll let the user community speak to the practical experiences, but at a practices level consider the following at a philisophical l

RE: ibatis v hibernate

2006-12-17 Thread Abdullah Kauchali
>From: Clinton Begin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://blogs.tedneward.com/2006/06/26/The+Vietnam+Of+Computer+Science.aspx Thank you very much, I enjoyed that thoroughly. :)

Re: ibatis v hibernate

2006-12-16 Thread Tegan Clark
I've used both quite extensively (1 year plus projects). I think it's important to take a step back and look at what you are trying to optomise. The real goal of any ORM tool is to reduce the amount of code you write and therefore increase your developer efficiency while reducing your bugs and

RE: ibatis v hibernate

2006-12-16 Thread Chris Lamey
Hello, My group currently uses iBATIS with several 'from scratch' data models. We used Hibernate as an experiment on one data model before settling on iBATIS for everything. What I would say about the two is that if you don't know SQL and you don't want to know about SQL and you have large da

Re: ibatis v hibernate

2006-12-16 Thread Larry Meadors
I'll share my story on this, too, but will say up-front that I am (obviously) an iBATIS advocate. I was an early adapter of ORM. I started with Hibernate 1.x before I had ever heard of iBATIS. After a week or so a friend (who had also used ORM - in the form of JDO) warned me that I would not like

Re: ibatis v hibernate

2006-12-16 Thread Clinton Begin
I'll let the user community speak to the practical experiences, but at a practices level consider the following at a philisophical level. All databases are legacy databases. Any database that is of any value will ultimately become a dependency for more than the original application it was built