Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-04 Thread Virgil Arrington
age- From: Ken Springer Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 10:15 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project On 11/3/13 6:49 PM, jonathon wrote: On 11/03/2013 04:32 PM, Ken Springer wrote: Using a feature by feature comparison,

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Ken Springer
On 11/3/13 6:49 PM, jonathon wrote: On 11/03/2013 04:32 PM, Ken Springer wrote: Using a feature by feature comparison, there is no way LO or Kingsoft is serious competition for Office Pro. A point you are missing, is that even in a corporate environment, all of the parts offered by MSO Pro a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread jonathon
On 11/03/2013 04:32 PM, Ken Springer wrote: > Using a feature by feature comparison, there is no way LO or Kingsoft is > serious competition for Office Pro. A point you are missing, is that even in a corporate environment, all of the parts offered by MSO Pro are not needed by all of the employee

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread jonathon
On 11/03/2013 06:32 PM, Stefan Weigel wrote: >> Access -- > LO Base > > Base does not replace Access and it´s not meant to do so. The dBase 3 clone was not removed when Base was added to LO. I reinstalled LO and AOO earlier this week. When doing my usual customizations, I noticed

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread jonathon
On 11/03/2013 06:53 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: >> FUD and absurd statements will take LO nowhere. > FUD you say? Pot meet kettle. What he does not want to admit is that I am speaking from personal experience. jonathon * English - detected * English * English -- To unsubscribe e-

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Ken Springer
Hi, Paul, On 11/3/13 1:53 PM, Paul wrote: Hi Ken, Before you can say any program *is* serious competition, you have to determine which products, or product levels, you are going to compare. Office is available in many forms, similar to the different levels of comfort/convenience packages in au

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Paul
Hi Ken, > Before you can say any program *is* serious competition, you have to > determine which products, or product levels, you are going to > compare. Office is available in many forms, similar to the different > levels of comfort/convenience packages in automobiles. LO comes in > just one fl

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Sun, Nov 03, 2013 at 11:14:08PM +0700, Urmas wrote: > "jonathon": > > That must be a reference to the fact that the mean time between starting > MSO on Windows, and seeing the Blue Screen of Death is under sixty > seconds. > > /yawn > > Or maybe it is a reference to the fact that MSO 2013 is

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Ken Springer
To shorten up this message, I've deleted all but Kracked's reply. On 11/3/13 10:36 AM, Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: Sure, LO does not have as many "modules" as the professional version of MSO. That said, since there are already FOSS packages to do many of those missing "modules", why should

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Stefan Weigel
Hi, Am 03.11.2013 18:36, schrieb Kracked_P_P---webmaster: > Access -- > LO Base Base does not replace Access and it´s not meant to do so. ;-) Stefan -- LibreOffice - Die Freiheit nehm' ich mir! -- To unsubscribe e-mail to: users+unsubscr...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Kracked_P_P---webmaster
Sure, LO does not have as many "modules" as the professional version of MSO. That said, since there are already FOSS packages to do many of those missing "modules", why should LO have their developers work on those as well as the "basic" office suite modules? Word -- > LO Writer

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Ken Springer
On 11/3/13 9:05 AM, Urmas wrote: "Charles-H. Schulz": Many people who contribute to the LibreOffice project discussed the need for us to understand how we could enroll "regular" users (whatever that means) to the LibreOffice project. Just FYI here, I would consider "regular" users those who s

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Ken Springer
On 11/3/13 5:56 AM, Paul wrote: Hi Ken, Let's start with some general points to start with. First, the user. For most home users, who probably are not as experienced or knowledgeable of Word and LO as you and I, the advanced features are not needed. So something simpler to use, like Kingsof

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Paul
On Sun, 3 Nov 2013 23:05:00 +0700 "Urmas" wrote: > Let's remember the ongoing sabotage of interoperation with ubiquitous > formats of data exchange: Excel 95 and its newer alternative Excel > XML. Who will support a project where such idiocy can go unpunished? I know, right! I can't believe how

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Urmas
"jonathon": That must be a reference to the fact that the mean time between starting MSO on Windows, and seeing the Blue Screen of Death is under sixty seconds. /yawn Or maybe it is a reference to the fact that MSO 2013 is so completely, utterly, and absolutely incompatible with MSO 2013, FUD

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Urmas
"Charles-H. Schulz": Many people who contribute to the LibreOffice project discussed the need for us to understand how we could enroll "regular" users (whatever that means) to the LibreOffice project. The LO project is suffering from rock star syndrome: through all those years there is a bunch

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread jonathon
On 11/03/2013 12:56 PM, Paul wrote: >> For something more specific: >> >> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871 >> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46986 >> >> Working around these issues creates more work for the user than doing >> the same things in Word. Wou

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Ken Springer
Good morning, Charles, On 11/3/13 5:29 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello Ken, Le Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:07:57 -0600, Ken Springer a écrit : On 11/2/13 3:48 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le Fri, 1 Nov 2013 22:59:33 +, e-letter a écrit : On 01/11/2013, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: I've t

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Paul
Hi Ken, > Let's start with some general points to start with. First, the user. > For most home users, who probably are not as experienced or > knowledgeable of Word and LO as you and I, the advanced features are > not needed. So something simpler to use, like Kingsoft Office Free, > are mor

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-03 Thread Charles-H. Schulz
Hello Ken, Le Sat, 02 Nov 2013 09:07:57 -0600, Ken Springer a écrit : > On 11/2/13 3:48 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > Le Fri, 1 Nov 2013 22:59:33 +, > > e-letter a écrit : > > > >> On 01/11/2013, Charles-H. Schulz > >> wrote: > >>> > >>> But when we come to think of it, these people sta

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-02 Thread Ken Springer
Hi, Paul, On 11/2/13 4:23 PM, Paul wrote: Hi Ken, I'd like to see some serious competition for MS Office, but there appears to be none, either open source or commercial. Why do you say there is no serious competition to MS Office? Personally, I find LO to be slightly easier to use than MS Off

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-02 Thread Paul
Hi Ken, > I'd like to see some serious competition for MS Office, > but there appears to be none, either open source or commercial. Why do you say there is no serious competition to MS Office? Personally, I find LO to be slightly easier to use than MS Office (although the difference is negligible,

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-02 Thread Ken Springer
On 11/2/13 3:48 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le Fri, 1 Nov 2013 22:59:33 +, e-letter a écrit : On 01/11/2013, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: But when we come to think of it, these people started somewhere, one day, to contribute, and while they all have their own reasons, we (the people in ch

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-01 Thread RODRIGUEZ FONSECA JORGE ALBERTO
Friday, November 1, 2013 5:11:40 PM Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project *ditto* -Original Message- From: Dale Erwin [mailto:d...@casaerwin.org] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 6:04 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-use

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-01 Thread Dan Hall
*ditto* -Original Message- From: Dale Erwin [mailto:d...@casaerwin.org] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2013 6:04 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project On 11/1/2013 2:05 PM, Ken Springer wrote: > On 11/1/13 7:04

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-01 Thread Dale Erwin
On 11/1/2013 2:05 PM, Ken Springer wrote: On 11/1/13 7:04 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you for choosing and using LibreOffice! My name is Charles-H. Schulz and I'm one of the co-founders of the Document Foundation. Many people who contribute to the LibreOffice project d

[libreoffice-users] Re: Engaging Users in the LibreOffice Project

2013-11-01 Thread Ken Springer
On 11/1/13 7:04 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Hello everyone, Thank you for choosing and using LibreOffice! My name is Charles-H. Schulz and I'm one of the co-founders of the Document Foundation. Many people who contribute to the LibreOffice project discussed the need for us to understand how