Re: F13 has reached it rocks status !

2010-07-07 Thread Linuxguy123
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 20:48 -0400, Mike Williams wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: Just a quick note to say that F13 now rocks ! It works really, really well. Very fast, solid and slick. Keep up the

Re: Making things easier for lurkers (was Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-07 Thread Joel Rees
Tim ignored_mailbox at yahoo.com.au writes: On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 14:43 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: I'm thinking it would be nice to have the html archives set up so that, if you've logged in (as you do to change your mail settings), you could click a link in the post and the list server

F12 updates having a slow week?

2010-07-07 Thread Joel Rees
Yesterday, and, I think, the day before, yum update said no updates. The day before that, and today, less than 10 MB, when I'm accustomed to 60M or 120M or so. Slow week for updates, or have I got a rogue mirror in my cache? Joel Rees -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-07 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 22:24 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: Anyway, if non-subscribers are not welcome, then I guess I'll just refrain from posting here just like everybody else, even when I'm asked to do it on

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-07 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 20:13 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: Fact: the current system doesn't allow cross-posting Nothing in the current system prevents cross-posting. It's explicitly discouraged by the list

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-07 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 09:05:33 +0300,  Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: So if anything, Reply-To munging would cause more private mail go to the mailing list (i.e. I typed 'r' in mutt, not 'g', but the

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-07 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Todd Zullinger t...@pobox.com wrote: Felipe Contreras wrote: Prior to today the list was set to discard posts from non-members. This setting was made before any of the current list admins were present AFAIK.  I believe that sending a rejection is the more

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-07 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: Just to end this debate: you all must have seen this spam post. If posting is opened to non-subscribers, this will multiply by thousands and millions. Wrong; that spam mail is totally unrelated. Say moderation was enabled, and I was

Re: [389-users] Sabayon/Gentoo distribution of 389org

2010-07-07 Thread Fabio Erculiani
At last, I've been able to figure out where the pipe() problem stands. 389-admin is improperly using the cgi module. When using a multithreaded MPM (worker), mod_cgid had to be used. It happens that 389-admin needs apache (with worker MPM) and mod_cgi (and not mod_cgid). mod_cgid fork() itself

Re: fedora 13 so many bugs

2010-07-07 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/06/2010 09:59 PM, john wendel wrote: I've done two installs using the X86 lxde live cd and both got an error while reading the install cd (and claimed it must be corrupt). One box is an Athlon X2 Dell system and the other is a homebuild

Re: fedora 13 so many bugs

2010-07-07 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 22:15 -0700, solarflow99 wrote: Well, I used F-12 and it worked perfectly, so it is definitely something to do with x86 F-13's anaconda. seems strange i'm the only one to encounter this. I tried both with a HD and DVD install, the media was tested and she shasum

Re: F13 has reached it rocks status !

2010-07-07 Thread n2xssvv.g02gfr12930
On 07/07/2010 08:15 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 20:48 -0400, Mike Williams wrote: On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com wrote: Just a quick note to say that F13 now rocks ! It works really, really well. Very fast, solid

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-07 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote: On 06Jul2010 09:47, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: | But the actual steps you have to do are different depending on the | list manager; majordomo is different than mailman. So? It is not _very_

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-07 Thread Michal
Things are fine as they are. Most other lists work the same way. If someone doesn't want to subscribe as they only want to ask one question, then are not missed as most questions can be answered by actually doing a bit of digging, which a lot of users on this list do not do. Also, if they find

Re: Missing ephiphany plugin?

2010-07-07 Thread Steve Blackwell
On Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:09:31 -0400 Steve Blackwell zep...@cfl.rr.com wrote: I think I'm missing a plugin or two for ephiphany. After upgrading from F11-F12 some web pages display blank areas where (presumably) a picture should be. An example is

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-07 Thread Rick Sewill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Having said the above, if you suspect an acpi or apic problem, the URL: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KernelCommonProblems says, acpi=off is a big hammer, and if that works, narrowing down by trying pci=noacpi instead may yield clues It also

Re: no sound on F11, F12 and now F13 but sound on Omega 12 live??? wtf??

2010-07-07 Thread Rick Sewill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/06/2010 10:38 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Rick Sewill wrote: On 07/05/2010 10:23 PM, Rick Sewill wrote: . I am wondering if OSS is enabled on your system. Please look for things related to OSS in /etc/modprobe.conf (if it exists) and

Re: fedora 13 so many bugs

2010-07-07 Thread Robert Myers
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:15 AM, solarflow99 solarflo...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I used F-12 and it worked perfectly, so it is definitely something to do with x86 F-13's anaconda. seems strange i'm the only one to encounter this. I tried both with a HD and DVD install, the media was tested

Re: Making things easier for lurkers (was Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-07 Thread Todd Zullinger
Joel Rees wrote: Okay, the digest listing does give us the message-ID line from the headers, so it shouldn't be too hard to maintain threading with a little extra copy/paste. If your MUA doesn't provide a way to set arbitrary headers, though, that won't work after all. If you use the

Re: F12 updates having a slow week?

2010-07-07 Thread Steve Blackwell
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 17:42:52 +0900 Joel Rees joel.r...@gmail.com wrote: Yesterday, and, I think, the day before, yum update said no updates. The day before that, and today, less than 10 MB, when I'm accustomed to 60M or 120M or so. Slow week for updates, or have I got a rogue mirror in my

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-07 Thread Todd Zullinger
Felipe Contreras wrote: At least you can remove the Your message to $foo awaits moderator approval automatic reply; it's clearly a lie. I don't receive those messages when I post from a non-subscribed address. For some reason when I receive mail from you I see: reply-to: Community support

[389-users] Password History in a Replicated Environment

2010-07-07 Thread Gerrard Geldenhuis
Hi The documentation clearly states that password modification history is not replicated including account lockout counters. To me that seems a bit pointless to have if your servers are authenticating against a cluster of 4 machines. There is no guarantee that next time when you change your

Re: no sound on F11, F12 and now F13 but sound on Omega 12 live??? wtf??

2010-07-07 Thread Rick Sewill
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On a different track, again to help the original poster. In other messages on this thread, it sounded like the original poster was using a driver, ens1370, which some people thought was suspect. Is there a tool that can talk directly to the driver,

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-07 Thread Tom H
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Todd Zullinger t...@pobox.com wrote: Felipe Contreras wrote: For some reason when I receive mail from you I see: reply-to: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org, users@lists.fedoraproject.org It must be your mail client or something

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 13:02:37 +0300, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Who are those mythical creatures that don't know about reply to all? I keep hearing about them, but as far as I know everybody that knows how to send email knows to send mail to more than one

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-07 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 15:44:24 +0300, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Including plenty of people who explicitly ask not to be personally CCed, yea, even to the point of putting such a request at the top of _every_ post they make. *Some* nut-jobs might not like to

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-07 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 10:41:20 -0500 Bruno Wolff III wrote: I have seen people ask about this on other lists (not related to Fedora) where I don't do reply munging. That's the real key to the problem - so many lists do it so many different ways that it is hard to keep track of what to do on any

Re: fedora 13 so many bugs

2010-07-07 Thread solarflow99
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Robert Myers rbmyers...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 1:15 AM, solarflow99 solarflo...@gmail.com wrote: Well, I used F-12 and it worked perfectly, so it is definitely something to do with x86 F-13's anaconda.  seems strange i'm the only one to

I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Linuxguy123
I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up. http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf Can anyone else ? Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Alan Holt
Just try Adobe Reader for Linux if you have some problems with Linux based PDF reader 2010/7/7 Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up.

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak
On 07/07/2010 01:01 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up. http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf Can anyone else ? It loads for me in Evince, but

Re: Making things easier for lurkers (was Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers)

2010-07-07 Thread Darr
On Wednesday, 07 July, 2010 @ 05:43 zulu, Joel Rees scribed: Okay, the digest listing does give us the message-ID line from the headers, so it shouldn't be too hard to maintain threading with a little extra copy/paste. If your MUA doesn't provide a way to set arbitrary headers, though, that

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Wednesday 07 July 2010 10:01 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up. http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf Can anyone else ? I see it fine with

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-07 Thread Darr
On Wednesday, 07 July, 2010 @ 10:19 zulu, Felipe Contreras scribed: Wrong; that spam mail is totally unrelated. Say moderation was enabled, and I was made moderator *today*. Would any extra spam reach your inbox? No. *I* (the moderator) would have to approve it first. If I'm bad at my

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 07 July 2010, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: On 07/07/2010 01:01 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up. http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_p

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Joachim Backes
On 07/07/10 19:01, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up. http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf Can anyone else ? Thanks Yes, I can, using

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Joachim Backes
On 07/07/10 19:06, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: On 07/07/2010 01:01 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up. http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Linuxguy123
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 13:20 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote: On Wednesday 07 July 2010, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote: On 07/07/2010 01:01 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up.

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Linuxguy123
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 19:25 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote: On 07/07/10 19:01, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up.

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Linuxguy123
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 19:28 +0200, Joachim Backes wrote: I tested evince, it's really slow, but acroread will open it very fast! Try scaling to 200% or more to see some detail. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-07 Thread Todd Zullinger
Tom H wrote: You (Todd) and others have the following: from Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com reply-to Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org toCommunity support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org date Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:10 AM

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Linuxguy123
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 20:03 +0300, Alan Holt wrote: Just try Adobe Reader for Linux if you have some problems with Linux based PDF reader I did. $ yum list \*AdobeReader\* Installed Packages AdobeReader_enu.i486 9.3.2-1 @adobe-linux-i386 -- users

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Konstantin Svist
On 07/07/2010 10:01 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up. http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf Can anyone else ? Thanks Okular takes a few

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-07 Thread Darr
Question showing my ignorance of what acpi is. If pci=noacpi works or does not work, what clues is that giving me? I didn't respond earlier because we've reached my level of ignorance too. ACPI is the successor/combination of plug play, advanced power management, et al... If you have

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Dale J. Chatham
fc13 x86_64 with acroread, works fine. It's a large PDF with lots of detail, thus kinda slow. On 07/07/2010 12:01 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up.

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Paolo Galtieri
On 07/07/2010 10:36 AM, Konstantin Svist wrote: On 07/07/2010 10:01 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up.

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Roger K. Wells
On 07/07/2010 01:03 PM, Alan Holt wrote: Just try Adobe Reader for Linux if you have some problems with Linux based PDF reader 2010/7/7 Linuxguy123 linuxguy...@gmail.com mailto:linuxguy...@gmail.com I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader.

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Athmane Madjoudj
On 07/07/2010 06:01 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up. http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf Can anyone else ? Thanks I tried Google Docs'

Re: Chrome crashes F13

2010-07-07 Thread Steven Stern
On 07/01/2010 08:13 AM, Steven Stern wrote: I can reliably cause my F13 system to crash by browsing the web in Chrome (from the Google repository). The scenario is (1) start chrome and (2) start normal browsing behavior. Pretty soon, I get DNS timeouts and the system load applet shows the

flash

2010-07-07 Thread solarflow99
What is the recommended flash player these days? I tried with gnash, and its still not working right. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Greg Woods
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 11:01 -0600, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up. http://www.calgary.ca/docgallery/bu/engineering_services/emaps/bicycle_pathways_map.pdf Can anyone else ? It takes a while to

Spam in 'Unmatched' folder no longer being removed when marked junk ?!?

2010-07-07 Thread William Case
Hi; Just virgin installed Fedora 13 with Evolution 2.20.3 upgrade. Bogofilter s on. Spam in 'Unmatched' folder no longer being removed when marked junk. A copy then appears in Junk folder. Deleting the spam in 'Unmatched' deletes it from the 'Junk' folder as well. Is anybody else experiencing

[389-users] Limiting access to specific hosts.

2010-07-07 Thread Fairchild, Anthony
Hello, I have gotten 389 directory up and running and am beginning to add users, but would like to know how to restrict a user to only logging in to a specific host or a group of hosts. Could anybody point me to some documentation on this? I don't seem to be having much luck finding it through

Getting S/PDIF output working

2010-07-07 Thread Alan Nicoll
PROBLEM: No sound coming out of my Denon Receiver that is hooked to my pc via optical cable connected to the S/PDIF port. If I set the system up to output to speakers connected to the green port I can get sound. SYSTEM: Athlon 64x2 processor ASUS M4A78L-M motherboard [r...@nn nck]# cat

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Thomas Taylor
On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 10:36:49 -0700 Konstantin Svist fry@gmail.com wrote: On 07/07/2010 10:01 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I can't seem to open this file and zoom in on it with any Linux based PDF reader. They all seem to lock up.

The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Timothy Murphy
I preupgraded from F-12 to F-13 today, and it nearly all went well. But I found the long periods when nothing seemed to be happening off-putting, to put it mildly. It spent 30-60 minutes searching for storage - what is that about? I assumed the program had hung, but I was watching the World Cup,

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/08/2010 07:22 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: I preupgraded from F-12 to F-13 today, and it nearly all went well. But I found the long periods when nothing seemed to be happening off-putting, to put it mildly. It spent 30-60 minutes searching for storage - what is that about? I assumed the

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Wed, 7/7/10, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: From: Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net Subject: The quietness of preupgrade To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 4:22 PM I preupgraded from F-12 to F-13 today, and it nearly all went well. But I

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/08/2010 08:37 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: I assume you will fill a RFE (Request for Enhancement)? :-) :-) File, file, file. Native English speakers have PEBKAC too -- QOTD: It's been real and it's been fun, but it hasn't been real fun. 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc

Generating modprobe files

2010-07-07 Thread Alex
Hi, What is the procedure or process to regenerate the /etc/modprobe.d files, particularly the ones that define the module for the ethernet drivers? I'd like to generate the aliases for all the modules that are currently loaded on the system, so they are loaded automatically on the next boot.

Re: Printing problem on FC13

2010-07-07 Thread Alex
Hi, I thought it might be worth reporting that the recent slew of printing updates has not fixed the problem with the Brother HL-5070N driver. I know that you now have your printer working, but I'd be very grateful if you could re-visit this and have another go at getting troubleshooting

Re: Spam in 'Unmatched' folder - [SORRY WRONG LIST]

2010-07-07 Thread William Case
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 15:22 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi; Just virgin installed Fedora 13 with Evolution 2.20.3 upgrade. Bogofilter s on. Spam in 'Unmatched' folder no longer being removed when marked junk. A copy then appears in Junk folder. Deleting the spam in 'Unmatched' deletes it

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Dick Roark
Instead of trying to open the link, download the file and open that. It worked for me. On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Thomas Taylor li...@comcast.net wrote: On Wed, 07 Jul 2010 10:36:49 -0700 Konstantin Svist fry@gmail.com wrote: On 07/07/2010 10:01 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I

Floating point exception (core dumped) when exec busybox in Fedora 13

2010-07-07 Thread Jerry Wang
the busybox is 1.16.2, build on Fedora 13 as static linked. It results floating point exception when I exec it as: [jer...@localhost busybox-1.16.2]$ ./busybox ping www.google.com Floating point exception (core dumped) [jer...@localhost busybox-1.16.2]$ rpm -qa | grep gcc

Re: Generating modprobe files

2010-07-07 Thread Antonio Olivares
--- On Wed, 7/7/10, Alex mysqlstud...@gmail.com wrote: From: Alex mysqlstud...@gmail.com Subject: Generating modprobe files To: Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org Date: Wednesday, July 7, 2010, 5:45 PM Hi, What is the procedure or process to regenerate the

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Robert Myers
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 7:22 PM, Timothy Murphy gayle...@eircom.net wrote: It really would be helpful if developers could make sure that some kind of message, even if it is just a row of dots, comes up from time to time. The most general response to your request would appear to require

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Robert Myers
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 10:32 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 21:56 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: If some poor soul at Microsoft couldn't deliver a version of Vista that reassured Steve Ballmer (who allegedly throws furniture) that wonderful new Vista was

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 21:56 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: It really would be helpful if developers could make sure that some kind of message, even if it is just a row of dots, comes up from time to time. The most general response to your request would appear to require violation of the

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Robert Myers
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:12 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.comwrote: It depends on what you mean by hung. If we're talking about in an unforeseen state caused by a bug then of course the HT prevents detecting this reliably. However in this case I think the OP means something more

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/08/2010 11:24 AM, Robert Myers wrote: If you think you know what you are talking about, perhaps you would consider a fixed-fee contract on a perpetual motion machine. From a practical point of view, all possible states of a program cannot be examined and tested. If you want to think of

Re: I need a PDF reader that will open this...

2010-07-07 Thread Darr
On Wednesday, 07 July, 2010 @17:30 zulu, Linuxguy123 scribed: Try scaling to 200% or more to see some detail. In adobe reader I zoomed it to 300% then paged down a couple times + scrolled over, opened the 'about' window and took this screen shot: http://to.ly/5rzs If you don't have the adobe

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Robert Myers
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 07/08/2010 11:24 AM, Robert Myers wrote: If you think you know what you are talking about, perhaps you would consider a fixed-fee contract on a perpetual motion machine. From a practical point of view, all

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 23:24 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: It depends on what you mean by hung. If we're talking about in an unforeseen state caused by a bug then of course the HT prevents detecting this reliably. However in this case I think the OP means something more ordinary, not finished

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Robert Myers
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 23:24 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: It depends on what you mean by hung. If we're talking about in an unforeseen state caused by a bug then of course the HT prevents detecting this

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote: You don't know me any more than you know if there is extraterrestrial life. I can, based on observations and other factors, speculate as to the chances of the existence of extraterrestrial life. I can suspect that there is/is not extraterrestrial

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Christofer C. Bell
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Robert Myers rbmyers...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.comwrote: On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote: You don't know me any more than you know if there is extraterrestrial life. I can, based on

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Robert Myers
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:25 AM, Christofer C. Bell christofer.c.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 11:16 PM, Robert Myers rbmyers...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.comwrote: On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote: You don't

how to play media files on NAS

2010-07-07 Thread Mick M.
Hi; I have set up a small NAS with multimedia files on it. I can read/write/delete fine. However if I want to play a file I run into problems. Kaffeine says: Cannot find input plugin for MRL

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 23:58 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: And perhaps you should share your wisdom with every programmer who's written an installer that shows progress reports. I'm sure they'll be glad to know they're wasting their time. Of *course* you can try to imagine what the end

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Robert Myers
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:56 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 23:58 -0400, Robert Myers wrote: And perhaps you should share your wisdom with every programmer who's written an installer that shows progress reports. I'm sure they'll be glad to

Re: how to play media files on NAS

2010-07-07 Thread Gregory Hosler
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2010 12:44 PM, Mick M. wrote: Hi; I have set up a small NAS with multimedia files on it. I can read/write/delete fine. However if I want to play a file I run into problems. Kaffeine says: Cannot find input plugin for MRL

Fedora 12 and Privoxy

2010-07-07 Thread Jason Turning
I just upgraded my laptop to Fedora 12, and now Privoxy is failing on bootup and has to be manually started. Anyone encountered this problem, and if so what was the fix? Thanks. Jason -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/08/2010 12:16 PM, Robert Myers wrote: On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com mailto:ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 07/08/2010 11:56 AM, Robert Myers wrote: You don't know me any more than you know if there is extraterrestrial life.

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/08/2010 01:37 PM, Robert Myers wrote: Mind your step, though. I ain't stupid. So, you said This is the end of our conversationand you continue. It may not be stupid but it certainly does lack an end. -- Computer Science is merely the post-Turing decline in formal systems theory.

Re: The quietness of preupgrade

2010-07-07 Thread Robert Myers
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:48 AM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 07/08/2010 01:37 PM, Robert Myers wrote: Mind your step, though. I ain't stupid. So, you said This is the end of our conversationand you continue. It may not be stupid but it certainly does lack an end. Oh,