Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 00:17 -0400, Jonathan Beatty wrote: > Why use the application anyway? It's faster from xterm. What are you talking about? What application? poc PS Kindly refrain from top-quoting. See the list Guidelines. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread Jonathan Beatty
Why use the application anyway? It's faster from xterm. On 8/31/10, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 22:15 -0300, Andre Costa wrote: >> These userspace apps should be restated automatically after >> the upgrade, without bothering the user with a "reboot your computer >> to make

no audio, crappy video

2010-08-31 Thread Michael Hennebry
I haven't had audio since installing Fedora 13. It's possible that the problem is that I didn't have the speakers plugged in when doing the install. How do I make them work? For a while there was a speaker icon on my KDE taskbar. I tried to use it, but no go. It's gone now. Don't know why. I inst

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 22:15 -0300, Andre Costa wrote: > These userspace apps should be restated automatically after > the upgrade, without bothering the user with a "reboot your computer > to make sure any changes will be applied" warning. Suddenly restarting apps without consulting the user is th

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread JD
On 08/31/2010 05:56 PM, Andre Costa wrote: > Hi JD, > > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 19:47, JD wrote: >> On 08/31/2010 03:17 PM, Andre Costa wrote: >>> Latest F13 upgrades include two packages that "require" a restart: >>> evolution-data-server and GtkHTML. >>> >>> ... ?! Is it really necessary to

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread kalinix
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 20:20 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > Why not just only apply updates when you feel like rebooting? > That's what I do. I've lived without them my whole life, > a few more days won't hurt anything. > > Of course, I also turn off the annoying packagekit app that > is like an anim

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread kalinix
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 22:15 -0300, Andre Costa wrote: > > > > Andre, I think needs-restarting means those applications need to be > > restarted, not you need to restart the whole system to update those > > applications. > > Yes, that's what I understood as well. This is what I tried to > evidence

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread Andre Costa
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 22:08, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > Why not just do reboots at 3 in the morning and it just won't matter all > that much.  I just have a cron script in /etc/cron.daily that checks to > see if /var/log/yum has changed since the last reboot and then it does a > reboot if

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread Andre Costa
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 21:59, kalinix wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 21:43 -0300, Andre Costa wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 20:17, Patrick O'Callaghan >> wrote: >> > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 19:17 -0300, Andre Costa wrote: >> >> Isn't there any more clever way of determining if a reboot is real

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
Why not just do reboots at 3 in the morning and it just won't matter all that much. I just have a cron script in /etc/cron.daily that checks to see if /var/log/yum has changed since the last reboot and then it does a reboot if nobody is logged in. If I had certain long-running programs that need

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread kalinix
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 21:02 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On Tue August 31 2010, Andre Costa wrote: > > Latest F13 upgrades include two packages that "require" a restart: > > evolution-data-server and GtkHTML. > > what about ksplice?? I've heard about it, but don't know if it is ready yet.. >

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread kalinix
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 21:02 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On Tue August 31 2010, Andre Costa wrote: > > Latest F13 upgrades include two packages that "require" a restart: > > evolution-data-server and GtkHTML. > > what about ksplice?? I've heard about it, but don't know if it is ready yet.. >

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Tue August 31 2010, Andre Costa wrote: > Latest F13 upgrades include two packages that "require" a restart: > evolution-data-server and GtkHTML. what about ksplice?? I've heard about it, but don't know if it is ready yet.. -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux user # 367800 -- users mailing l

Re: Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-31 Thread Jens Petersen
- "Elliott Chapin" wrote: > DejaVu sans has nice ch. char. in OpenOffice. I forget whether this > started to happen before I upgraded to F13. The new Chinese font you are seeing may be wqy-zenhei-fonts. :) It is the default now for zh_CN. Dejavu has no Chinese coverage. -- users mailing li

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread kalinix
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 21:43 -0300, Andre Costa wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 20:17, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 19:17 -0300, Andre Costa wrote: > >> Isn't there any more clever way of determining if a reboot is really > >> necessary? Or maybe at least the message shou

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread Andre Costa
Hi JD, On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 19:47, JD wrote: >  On 08/31/2010 03:17 PM, Andre Costa wrote: >> Latest F13 upgrades include two packages that "require" a restart: >> evolution-data-server and GtkHTML. >> >> ... ?! Is it really necessary to *reboot* because two desktop >> components have been upg

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread Andre Costa
Hi Calin, On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 20:48, kalinix wrote: > In this particulary case, why not just an evolution --force-shutdown? > This will shutdown evolution-data-server. As simple as that. Yes, it's simple. So simple it should have been handled automatically by the upgrade *without a reboot* ;

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread JD
On 08/31/2010 05:31 PM, kalinix wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 17:04 -0700, JD wrote: > >>> In this particulary case, why not just an evolution --force-shutdown? >>> This will shutdown evolution-data-server. As simple as that. >> Is this thread only about evolution updates? >> > the OP complained

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread Andre Costa
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 20:17, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 19:17 -0300, Andre Costa wrote: >> Isn't there any more clever way of determining if a reboot is really >> necessary? Or maybe at least the message should be less "demanding", I >> don't know... it really seems unnee

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread kalinix
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 17:04 -0700, JD wrote: > > In this particulary case, why not just an evolution --force-shutdown? > > This will shutdown evolution-data-server. As simple as that. > > Is this thread only about evolution updates? > the OP complained about two components, which happened to be

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread Tom Horsley
Why not just only apply updates when you feel like rebooting? That's what I do. I've lived without them my whole life, a few more days won't hurt anything. Of course, I also turn off the annoying packagekit app that is like an animated paperclip tapping on my screen saying: "Hey! There's updates!

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread JD
On 08/31/2010 04:48 PM, kalinix wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 15:47 -0700, JD wrote: >> On 08/31/2010 03:17 PM, Andre Costa wrote: >>> Latest F13 upgrades include two packages that "require" a restart: >>> evolution-data-server and GtkHTML. >>> >>> ... ?! Is it really necessary to *reboot* becau

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread kalinix
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 15:47 -0700, JD wrote: > On 08/31/2010 03:17 PM, Andre Costa wrote: > > Latest F13 upgrades include two packages that "require" a restart: > > evolution-data-server and GtkHTML. > > > > ... ?! Is it really necessary to *reboot* because two desktop > > components have been upgr

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread Alan Cox
> And from the context it was clear that you talked about a browser > exploit when you said "its much harder to steal all my email, run off > with my credit card data or just be a nuisance." SELinux constrains desktop applications too - particularly high risk ones like web browsers. > I assume y

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 08:29:25 +0900, Takehiko Abe wrote: > > I assume you know the chances that an average linux user actually get > exploited in that way is very low. Don't expect that to last. Windows users get hosed by web browser and plugin bugs a lot. Right now it isn't worth the troub

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread Takehiko Abe
;;; sorry again -- my thunderbird habit does not work for your message >> Well, please educate me. All I hear from advocates is "more >> security" without a concrete example. You mentioned the danger of >> emails get stolen without SELinux. Please give me the scenario. So >> we can gauge the r

Re: SELINUX

2010-08-31 Thread suvayu ali
Hi Bruno, On 31 August 2010 13:21, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:23:48 -0700, >  suvayu ali wrote: >> >> # chcon --reference /some/similar/file > > The problem with using chcon is that you don't test if a relabel will break > things. For the most part you want to set the n

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 19:17 -0300, Andre Costa wrote: > Isn't there any more clever way of determining if a reboot is really > necessary? Or maybe at least the message should be less "demanding", I > don't know... it really seems unneeded. needs-restarting ("yum install yum-utils" if you don't hav

Re: Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread JD
On 08/31/2010 03:17 PM, Andre Costa wrote: > Latest F13 upgrades include two packages that "require" a restart: > evolution-data-server and GtkHTML. > > ... ?! Is it really necessary to *reboot* because two desktop > components have been upgraded? Shouldn't a logout/login be enough? > This sounds

Re: [389-users] ACI's not replicating

2010-08-31 Thread Terry Soucy
I think we were a bit mislead by the console. 389-console doesn't show the number of ACIs on consumers, where the sun one DS console showed them. I did a quick ldapsearch for the ACIs on the supplier and consumers and they are all present and accounted for on all systems. Terry Soucy Quot

Aren't upgrades demanding too much restarts?

2010-08-31 Thread Andre Costa
Latest F13 upgrades include two packages that "require" a restart: evolution-data-server and GtkHTML. ... ?! Is it really necessary to *reboot* because two desktop components have been upgraded? Shouldn't a logout/login be enough? This sounds like overkill, specially if you're the only one using t

Re: grub-install question

2010-08-31 Thread JD
On 08/31/2010 01:34 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > O > It would work better if after /mnt/sysimage is mounted you execute: > chroot /mnt/sysimage. > Then when you execute the grub-install you don't need the redirection > parameter --root-directory=/mnt/sysimage. > Of course you need to set up the gru

Re: SELINUX

2010-08-31 Thread Alan Cox
O> Why do people always pick examples of features with easy user interface when the > fact with selinux is that the user interface is totally incomprehensible for > the > ordinary home user. I for one disable selinux because I don't want to waste > time The ordinary home user shouldn't even

Re: SELINUX

2010-08-31 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 21:18:16 Erik P. Olsen wrote: > On 31/08/10 11:22, Alan Cox wrote: > > Do you understand the details of how your airbag system works, or how > > your ABS braking works. Can you model the crumple zones of a car, or do > > you just get in and put up with the little safety

Re: hibernate, then start Windows [SOLVED]

2010-08-31 Thread Gianluca Sforna
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Greg Woods wrote: > This is in regard to the issue that, when Linux is hibernated, upon > reboot the thaw starts immediately and the grub menu is not presented. As far as I know, this is intentional and serves the purpose of preventing selection of the wrong kerne

Re: SELINUX

2010-08-31 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:15 PM, JB wrote: > Well, if selinux is the best that happened to security since sliced bread, > then > why people make these comments ? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Security-Enhanced_Linux > ... > Overall, the reception to SELINUX has been mixed in the Linux communi

Re: hibernate, then start Windows [SOLVED]

2010-08-31 Thread kalinix
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 07:38 -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > This is in regard to the issue that, when Linux is hibernated, upon > reboot the thaw starts immediately and the grub menu is not presented. > > I am now absolutely convinced this is not a BIOS issue, it is a kernel > or boot loader issue. >

Re: grub-install question

2010-08-31 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 09:31 -0700, JD wrote: > On 08/31/2010 04:31 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > If one has a F13 DVD one can leave the /dev/sda disk enabled, boot into > > Rescue mode and install the boot onto /dev/sda. > > OK. Will try. > > In rescue mode, the root directory will end up being mo

Re: [389-users] ACI's not replicating

2010-08-31 Thread Rich Megginson
Terry Soucy wrote: > Running 389-server 1.2.5 on RHEL 5 (Intel) > > We have a single master replicating to two consumers. When I update the > ACIs on the master using ldapmodify, the ACIs are applied to the > supplier without error ... > > [31/Aug/2010:09:18:37 -0300] conn=100572906 fd=81 slot=8

Re: SELINUX

2010-08-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 10:23:48 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: > > # chcon --reference /some/similar/file The problem with using chcon is that you don't test if a relabel will break things. For the most part you want to set the new labelling pattern with semanage and then apply the pattern with re

Re: SELINUX

2010-08-31 Thread Erik P. Olsen
On 31/08/10 11:22, Alan Cox wrote: > Do you understand the details of how your airbag system works, or how > your ABS braking works. Can you model the crumple zones of a car, or do > you just get in and put up with the little safety inconveniences like the > weight of the doors, the length fo the v

Re: Better Firefox fonts?

2010-08-31 Thread Alex
Hi, > I'd concur with Athmane Madjoudj, you might have a bad anti-aliasing > option picked for your system.  And some fonts do that better than > others. > > If you have the liberation fonts installed, they do a good job of > replacing the usual Windows-expected fonts, and freely.  Your computer's

Re: Problem browsing http://bugzilla.kernel.org/

2010-08-31 Thread JD
On 08/31/2010 11:18 AM, Sam Sharpe wrote: > On 31 August 2010 18:57, JD wrote: >> Aimed my firefox at http://bugzilla.kernel.org/ >> and got this error: >> >> >> Software error: >> >> Can't connect to the database. >> Error: Too many connections >>Is your database installed and up and run

Re: Thunderbird attach files (was Re: General desktop questions)

2010-08-31 Thread Alex
Hi, > Looks like it's a confirmed bug for more than three years, at least with > Ubuntu: > > https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mozilla-thunderbird/+bug/105088 Although less than ideal, I mounted the shares in fstab that I needed. Here's a HOWTO: http://opensuse.swerdna.org/susesambacifs

Re: Problem browsing http://bugzilla.kernel.org/

2010-08-31 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 31 August 2010 18:57, JD wrote: > > Aimed my firefox at  http://bugzilla.kernel.org/ > and got this error: > > >  Software error: > > Can't connect to the database. > Error: Too many connections >   Is your database installed and up and running? >   Do you have the correct username and password

Problem browsing http://bugzilla.kernel.org/

2010-08-31 Thread JD
Aimed my firefox at http://bugzilla.kernel.org/ and got this error: Software error: Can't connect to the database. Error: Too many connections Is your database installed and up and running? Do you have the correct username and password selected in localconfig? For help, please send ma

Re: SELINUX

2010-08-31 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 18:09:03 James Mckenzie wrote: > Marko Vojinovic wrote: > >Yea, sure, can you imagine, one needs to know how to use no less than > >*two* commands --- chcon and semanage --- this is waaay beyond the > >capabilities of any mortal sysadmin... And reading their dreaded man

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/31/2010 06:27 PM, James Mckenzie wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> Sent: Aug 31, 2010 8:43 AM >> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org >> Subject: Re: SELinux >> >> On 08/31/2010 05:32 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >>> On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 00:14:09 +0900, >>> Takehiko Abe wrote: ;;; s

Re: [Bulk] Re: Java/Firefox craziness

2010-08-31 Thread suvayu ali
On 31 August 2010 08:10, Deepak Bhole wrote: > * William Case [2010-08-31 10:59]: >> On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 09:49 -0400, Deepak Bhole wrote: >> > * William Case [2010-08-30 17:14]: >> > > Hi; >> > > >> > > Just some clarification and double checking. >> >> > >> > Which Canadian Govt. website are

Re: SELINUX

2010-08-31 Thread suvayu ali
On 31 August 2010 10:21, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 17:59:06 Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 17:55:32 +0100, >>   Marko Vojinovic wrote: >> > Yea, sure, can you imagine, one needs to know how to use no less than >> > *two* commands --- chcon and semanag

Re: SELINUX

2010-08-31 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 17:59:06 Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 17:55:32 +0100, > Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > Yea, sure, can you imagine, one needs to know how to use no less than > > *two* commands --- chcon and semanage --- this is waaay beyond the > > capabilities of any

Re: Download confirmation now not prompts me!

2010-08-31 Thread suvayu ali
On 31 August 2010 03:20, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:31 PM, John Saalwaechter > wrote: > >> What is the output of "echo config assumeyes | yum shell" ? > > > Here is the output: > > [fedo...@localhost ~]$ su - > Password: > > [r...@localhost ~]# echo config assumeyes | yum

Re: SELINUX

2010-08-31 Thread James Mckenzie
Marko Vojinovic wrote: >Sent: Aug 31, 2010 9:55 AM >To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org >Subject: Re: SELINUX > >On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 15:34:42 James Mckenzie wrote: >> Tim wrote: >> >On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 00:15 +, JB wrote: >> >> Well, if selinux is the best that happened to security sin

Re: SELINUX

2010-08-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 17:55:32 +0100, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > Yea, sure, can you imagine, one needs to know how to use no less than *two* > commands --- chcon and semanage --- this is waaay beyond the capabilities of > any mortal sysadmin... And reading their dreaded man pages, oh my, I

Re: SELINUX

2010-08-31 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Tuesday, August 31, 2010 15:34:42 James Mckenzie wrote: > Tim wrote: > >On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 00:15 +, JB wrote: > >> Well, if selinux is the best that happened to security since sliced > >> bread, then why people make these comments ? > > > >Because people like to bitch, particularly the i

Re: Thunderbird attach files (was Re: General desktop questions)

2010-08-31 Thread Alex
Hi, >> I think I can also now attribute instant lock-up of Thunderbird to >> this approach. I browsed to the .gvfs directory, and poof, Thunderbird >> locked, taking my email composition down with it. It's almost like >> it's waiting for an event to occur that will never happen, like access >> to

Re: hibernate, then start Windows [SOLVED]

2010-08-31 Thread JD
On 08/31/2010 06:38 AM, Greg Woods wrote: > This is in regard to the issue that, when Linux is hibernated, upon > reboot the thaw starts immediately and the grub menu is not presented. > > I am now absolutely convinced this is not a BIOS issue, it is a kernel > or boot loader issue. > > I worked

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread James Mckenzie
Takehiko Abe wrote: >Sent: Aug 31, 2010 8:14 AM >To: Community support for Fedora users >Subject: Re: SELinux > >;;; sorry other one goes straight to you > > > Linus is not exactly famous for his ability to understand security > > concepts. I find the fact your argument is produced by google and

Re: grub-install question

2010-08-31 Thread JD
On 08/31/2010 04:31 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > If one has a F13 DVD one can leave the /dev/sda disk enabled, boot into > Rescue mode and insatall the boot onto /dev/sda. OK. Will try. In rescue mode, the root directory will end up being mounted from /dev/sdb2 as /mnt/sysimage So I guess, I woul

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread James Mckenzie
Ralf Corsepius wrote: >Sent: Aug 31, 2010 8:43 AM >To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org >Subject: Re: SELinux > >On 08/31/2010 05:32 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 00:14:09 +0900, >>Takehiko Abe wrote: >>> ;;; sorry other one goes straight to you >>> >>> > Linus is not

Re: Thunderbird attach files (was Re: General desktop questions)

2010-08-31 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 11:38 -0400, Alex wrote: > I think I can also now attribute instant lock-up of Thunderbird to > this approach. I browsed to the .gvfs directory, and poof, Thunderbird > locked, taking my email composition down with it. It's almost like > it's waiting for an event to occur that

Re: Fedora 13 on Dell E6410 screen resolution problem

2010-08-31 Thread Greg Woods
On Thu, 2010-08-26 at 11:12 -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 09:51 -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > > I never have been able to get Fedora 13 to work. > > I did finally get it installed, and it was a convoluted process :-) > > I say "mostly works" because I have not been able to get th

Re: Download confirmation now not prompts me!

2010-08-31 Thread Parshwa Murdia
Really ambiguous situation! Still it is a problem! On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Parshwa Murdia wrote: > On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 12:31 PM, John Saalwaechter > wrote: > >> What is the output of "echo config assumeyes | yum shell" ? > > > Here is the output: > > [fedo...@localhost ~]$ su - > Pa

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread Alan Cox
> > If you use a web browser to view more than a short list of trusted sites, > > you need selinux. > > > > If you run network services accessible from outside the machine then you > > need selinux. > > > > If you run binaries from semitrusted groups (this includes most commercial > > software) the

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread Alan Cox
> Well, please educate me. All I hear from advocates is "more security" > without a concrete example. You mentioned the danger of emails get > stolen without SELinux. Please give me the scenario. So we can gauge > the risk. Simple example. Daemons running under selinux can only access the things t

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/31/2010 05:32 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 00:14:09 +0900, >Takehiko Abe wrote: >> ;;; sorry other one goes straight to you >> >> > Linus is not exactly famous for his ability to understand security >> > concepts. I find the fact your argument is produced by

Re: Thunderbird attach files (was Re: General desktop questions)

2010-08-31 Thread Alex
Hi, >> The bookmarks to two network shares appear when in Nautilus, but not >> in Thunderbird. > > No, that's consistent with what I see. The Bookmarks available off the > Places menu pad in GNOME list the temporary shares/mounts that you've > created and saved as bookmarks. These don't show up in

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 00:14:09 +0900, Takehiko Abe wrote: > ;;; sorry other one goes straight to you > > > Linus is not exactly famous for his ability to understand security > > concepts. I find the fact your argument is produced by google and > > cut/paste rather than technical material .

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread Takehiko Abe
;;; sorry other one goes straight to you > Linus is not exactly famous for his ability to understand security > concepts. I find the fact your argument is produced by google and > cut/paste rather than technical material ... enlightening Well, please educate me. All I hear from advocates is "m

Re: [Bulk] Re: Java/Firefox craziness

2010-08-31 Thread Deepak Bhole
* William Case [2010-08-31 10:59]: > On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 09:49 -0400, Deepak Bhole wrote: > > * William Case [2010-08-30 17:14]: > > > Hi; > > > > > > Just some clarification and double checking. > > > > > Which Canadian Govt. website are you trying to visit? There was a bug > > open about t

Re: [Bulk] Re: Java/Firefox craziness

2010-08-31 Thread William Case
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 09:49 -0400, Deepak Bhole wrote: > * William Case [2010-08-30 17:14]: > > Hi; > > > > Just some clarification and double checking. > > Which Canadian Govt. website are you trying to visit? There was a bug > open about that but it should be fixed in the latest OpenJDK relea

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread Alan Cox
> place. I quote one more from the same thread. This one is from Linus: > > "I find SELinux to be so irrelevant to my usage that I don't use > it at all" > > http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/10/2/353 Linus is not exactly famous for his ability to understand security concepts. I find the fact

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread Takehiko Abe
>> Likewise for people vehemently advocating to disable SELinux, I view >> them with a great deal of suspicion. Is it simply they really do not >> like it, or do they have ulterior motives? > > Neither. Initially, when trying to use it, they typically notice > something stops working. Then,

Re: SELINUX

2010-08-31 Thread James Mckenzie
Tim wrote: >Sent: Aug 31, 2010 5:30 AM >To: Community support for Fedora users >Subject: Re: SELINUX > >On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 00:15 +, JB wrote: >> Well, if selinux is the best that happened to security since sliced bread, >> then >> why people make these comments ? > >Because people like to

Re: [389-users] Can Fedora DS dereference alias object?

2010-08-31 Thread Rich Megginson
Chee Yang Chau wrote: > Hi, > > I have a Fedora DS + SSSD setup in Fedora 13 and it is working fine. > However, I found out the alias object is not functioning. Is that > anything I miss in the configuration? No. 389 does not support aliases. > > The deferencing works fine in OpenLDAP. > > --

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread Paul Cartwright
On Tue August 31 2010, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Neither. Initially, when trying to use it, they typically notice > something stops working. Then, when trying to make it work, they get > lost in arcane and cryptic tools. I can relate to that... As always, with something NEW or unfamiliar.. I tried

Re: Java/Firefox craziness -- got it to work in IE

2010-08-31 Thread William Case
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 14:43 -0700, suvayu ali wrote: > On 30 August 2010 14:10, William Case wrote: > > Hi; > > > > Just some clarification and double checking. > > > > I want to use a Canadian government site with Firefox on Fedora 13. I > > get the warning message that I need Sun JVM 1.6.0_3 or

Re: Java/Firefox craziness

2010-08-31 Thread Deepak Bhole
* William Case [2010-08-30 17:14]: > Hi; > > Just some clarification and double checking. > > I want to use a Canadian government site with Firefox on Fedora 13. I > get the warning message that I need Sun JVM 1.6.0_3 or greater. There > is nothing in the repositories that I can see resembling

hibernate, then start Windows [SOLVED]

2010-08-31 Thread Greg Woods
This is in regard to the issue that, when Linux is hibernated, upon reboot the thaw starts immediately and the grub menu is not presented. I am now absolutely convinced this is not a BIOS issue, it is a kernel or boot loader issue. I worked around it by adding a level of indirection to the boot p

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/31/2010 02:26 PM, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 22:06 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: >> As to software which demands you disable security, I always apply >> common sense and treat it the same way as if a passing tradesman says >> "can you just leave your door unlocked for the weekend" > > Likewi

Re: Fedora 13 on Dell E6410 screen resolution problem

2010-08-31 Thread Brian Millett
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 13:11 +0100, Tony Molloy wrote: > Following your suggestions I've also got it working at 1440x900 > > What I did was booted it non-graphically, did a full update so I had > the > latest kernel. Install the nVidia driver from the rpmfusion repos > > yum install akmod-nvidia

Re: Better Firefox fonts?

2010-08-31 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/31/2010 09:07 PM, Steve Underwood wrote: > He's probably seeing that, but he's probably also seeing > > color: #33 > color: rgb(51, 51, 51) > background-color: transparent > > which makes the text grey, and lacking contrast. Its not fuzzy. Its just > an odd choice of colour. A lot of si

Re: Missing Codec in Fedora 13

2010-08-31 Thread Ankur Sinha
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 06:33 -0500, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 20:31 -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > > Hi > > > > Just installed Fedora 13. Upgraded from 12.. Here's a great site maintained by the Fedora Unity members that you should search before you look anywhere else >http:/

Re: Better Firefox fonts?

2010-08-31 Thread Steve Underwood
On 08/31/2010 08:53 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 08/31/2010 08:49 PM, Tim wrote: >> Ed Greshko: >>> I wonder...is there a simply way to determine what fonts are being >>> used/displayed? I've never looked into it or thought much about it. >> By the way, about the thing I mentioned in my prior me

Re: Better Firefox fonts?

2010-08-31 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 16:12 -0400, Alex wrote: > Quite often the fonts in a web page, or printing something from within > Firefox looks blurred. Here is a sample screenshot: > > http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7923/loc.png In this case, according to the plug-in I mentioned on another email in

Re: Better Firefox fonts?

2010-08-31 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/31/2010 08:49 PM, Tim wrote: > Ed Greshko: >> I wonder...is there a simply way to determine what fonts are being >> used/displayed? I've never looked into it or thought much about it. > By the way, about the thing I mentioned in my prior message, I just > googled for: firefox font identify

Re: Better Firefox fonts?

2010-08-31 Thread Tim
Ed Greshko: > I wonder...is there a simply way to determine what fonts are being > used/displayed? I've never looked into it or thought much about it. By the way, about the thing I mentioned in my prior message, I just googled for: firefox font identify There's probably a few other search keywo

Re: Better Firefox fonts?

2010-08-31 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 20:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > FWIW, I find it helpful that when an image is posted that the actual > link also be posted so that folks looking at it can compare what they > see on their system alongside of what the OP is seeing. I concur. > In my case my display looks jus

Re: Missing symbol in libatk-bridge.so

2010-08-31 Thread Paul F. Johnson
Hi, > learn how to help yourself and later us (you did not tell us anything about > your > system). > > Example: > $ $ locate libatk-bridge > /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libatk-bridge.so Already had that installed and know that's the problem > $ rpm -qf /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libatk-bridge.so >

Re: Missing symbol in libatk-bridge.so

2010-08-31 Thread JB
JB gmail.com> writes: > ... > You will see that there is a problem reported in F14 already > http://www.spinics.net/linux/fedora/fedora-users/msg380798.html > He helped himself by downgrading package in question. > Try to go from there. Sorry, I gave you the wrong link. This one is correct: htt

Re: SELINUX

2010-08-31 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2010-08-31 at 00:15 +, JB wrote: > Well, if selinux is the best that happened to security since sliced bread, > then > why people make these comments ? Because people like to bitch, particularly the ignorant ones. > Why do security people think they have the ability to dictate to > a

Re: Fedora 13 on Dell E6410 screen resolution problem

2010-08-31 Thread Tony Molloy
On Tuesday 24 August 2010 15:30:20 Greg Woods wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-24 at 06:54 -0500, Brian Millett wrote: > > iommu=soft > > > > will get it going. The newer kernels (2.6.33.8-149.fc13.x86_64) > > Is this actually a 64-bit machine? So far I have not been able to get > the x86+64 DVD to load

Re: SELinux

2010-08-31 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 22:06 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > As to software which demands you disable security, I always apply > common sense and treat it the same way as if a passing tradesman says > "can you just leave your door unlocked for the weekend" Likewise for people vehemently advocating to disa

Re: Missing symbol in libatk-bridge.so

2010-08-31 Thread JB
Paul F. Johnson all-the-johnsons.co.uk> writes: > > Hi, > > Quite a few apps on my machine are refusing to work as there is a symbol > missing in libatk-bridge : g_module_make_resident > > What do I need to install to resolve this problem? > > TTFN > > Paul > Hi, learn how to help yourself

Re: Better Firefox fonts?

2010-08-31 Thread Ed Greshko
On 08/31/2010 07:45 PM, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 16:12 -0400, Alex wrote: >> Quite often the fonts in a web page, or printing something from within >> Firefox looks blurred. Here is a sample screenshot: >> >> http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/7923/loc.png > I'd concur with Athmane Mad

Re: Fedora 13 on Dell E6410 screen resolution problem

2010-08-31 Thread Tony Molloy
On Thursday 26 August 2010 18:12:30 Greg Woods wrote: > On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 09:51 -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > > I never have been able to get Fedora 13 to work. > > I did finally get it installed, and it was a convoluted process :-) > Following your suggestions I've also got it working at 1440x

Re: Missing Codec in Fedora 13

2010-08-31 Thread Tim
Dmitrij S. Kryzhevich: >> You need to enable rpmfusion (rpmfusion.org) repo. On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 21:13 -0700, Marvin Kosmal wrote: > This is something I have not done before.. > Well, somebody using that computer mas have done that. Because Fedora 12 didn't have an ASF CODEC, either. And the

Re: General desktop questions

2010-08-31 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2010-08-30 at 17:04 -0400, Ted Roche wrote: > No, that's consistent with what I see. The Bookmarks available off the > Places menu pad in GNOME list the temporary shares/mounts that you've > created and saved as bookmarks. These don't show up in the "Attach" > dialog within Thunderbird. If

Re: Files named in Chinese characters couldn't display properly in Fedora 12

2010-08-31 Thread Elliott Chapin
On 08/30/2010 11:59 PM, Quan Qiu wrote: > Thanks a lot. You are very right about this problem! Now, Fedora can > display Chinese file names properly although the font doesn't look > pretty. :-D > > One more question, when I used Putty to SSH the server, all files named > in Chinese couldn't display

Re: Fedora 13 on Dell E6410 screen resolution problem

2010-08-31 Thread Tony Molloy
On Wednesday 25 August 2010 16:51:16 Greg Woods wrote: > I never have been able to get Fedora 13 to work. There is something > about the recent kernels; I can't get it to work at anywhere near the > resolution it is capable of with either nouveau or the Nvidia > proprietary driver. > > I did get F

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