Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/23/2011 06:22 PM, Craig White wrote: Seems as though it's awful easy to whine but none of the whiners actually want to do any of the work. You know, I get awful tired of people saying that and ignoring the fact that most people aren't computer programmers and those who are generally

Re: strange behaviour of my desktop

2011-09-24 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-09-22 at 22:54 +0200, antoniomontagn...@gmail.com wrote: yes, fans seems to work fine... I'll add the obvious: It's not enough that they spin, there has to be airflow through the heatsink that the fans blow across, and throughout the cabinet. Also, heatsinks need to make good

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 00:28 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 09/23/2011 06:22 PM, Craig White wrote: Seems as though it's awful easy to whine but none of the whiners actually want to do any of the work. You know, I get awful tired of people saying that and ignoring the fact that most people

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-24 Thread suvayu ali
On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Michael Cronenworth m...@cchtml.com wrote: Native Linux 64-bit binaries are available. Not quite: $ sudo yum history info 337 ... Command Line : update google-talkplugin ... Packages Altered: Updated google-talkplugin-2.2.2.0-1.x86_64 Update

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 09:23 +1000, Roger wrote: How are Skype users addressed? I suppose I am OK if I know their telephone number. Skype, for me on Unbuntu and Fedora took about a few seconds to install. Read the skype instructions for how to use. To use, you need the skype addresses of the

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/24/2011 07:46 AM, Craig White wrote: Whether people are programmers or not is decidedly not the point here. The GNOME developers have made a decision to revamp the UI to account for the fact that computers are extending beyond the model borne out of Xerox PARC... a keyboard, screen

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 09/24/2011 07:26 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 09/24/2011 07:46 AM, Craig White wrote: Whether people are programmers or not is decidedly not the point here. The GNOME developers have made a decision to revamp the UI to account for the fact that computers are extending beyond the model

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread pct...@mybellybutton.com
  On September 24, 2011 at 10:02 AM Daniel B. Thurman d...@cdkkt.com wrote: On 09/24/2011 07:26 AM, Genes MailLists wrote: On 09/24/2011 07:46 AM, Craig White wrote: Whether people are programmers or not is decidedly not the point here. The GNOME developers have made a decision to

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-24 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 09/24/2011 07:36 AM, charles zeitler wrote: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 8:15 AM, Aaron Konstamstuff wrote: Alan Cox is exactly right that the users of Fedora products get them free and one can make a strong case that therefore Fedora

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/24/2011 11:43 AM, 夜神 岩男 wrote: Things are as they should be because things are as they are. This is going way, way off topic, but that could be used as a justification for never changing anything. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 10:26 -0400, Genes MailLists wrote: On 09/24/2011 07:46 AM, Craig White wrote: Whether people are programmers or not is decidedly not the point here. The GNOME developers have made a decision to revamp the UI to account for the fact that computers are extending

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-24 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 09/25/2011 04:17 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 09/24/2011 11:43 AM, 夜神 岩男 wrote: Things are as they should be because things are as they are. This is going way, way off topic, but that could be used as a justification for never changing anything. Or for changing everything. Everything

Disk Sleep ??

2011-09-24 Thread retired
F15 Starting Firefox and computer freezes for about 30 sec. and Monitor shows Disk Sleep Below is /var/log/messages, this output happens through out messages. I also ran a long term Hard Disk test on /dev/sda with smartctl and that output is shown below. Any Ideals ?? kernel:

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-24 Thread Aaron Konstam
That is true since I received the message in my inbox. I an including the contents below On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 13:28 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: You appear to have sent this only to me and not to the list. poc On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 9:02 AM, Aaron Konstam akons...@sbcglobal.net

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/24/2011 12:12 PM, Craig White wrote: The flat earth people apparently don't want to believe that the telephone in my pocket with an 854x480 screen is actually a computer and yes, someday I just might want to be able to run Fedora or Ubuntu on it. Please keep *argumentum ad hominem* out

Re: fans seems to work fine It's not enough that they spin...

2011-09-24 Thread Linda McLeod
Re: strange behaviour of my desktop yes, fans seems to work fine... I'll add the obvious: It's not enough that they spin, there has to be airflow through the heatsink that the fans blow across, and throughout the cabinet. Also, heatsinks need to make good physical contact with what they're

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Daniel B. Thurman
On 09/24/2011 10:40 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 10:02 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: +1 Did you read the part about trimming posts or is this some strange postmodern joke? poc yes. ;) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-24 Thread Robert Nichols
On 09/24/2011 09:16 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: The phone company is glad to give me peoples phone numbers, so that seems like a better way to reach people. Skype has a good lookup feature that allows you to find Skype IDs by entering either a real name or an email address. The lookup returns all

Re: Disk Sleep ??

2011-09-24 Thread Robert Nichols
On 09/24/2011 02:56 PM, retired wrote: 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 185 185 140Pre-fail Always - 114 197 Current_Pending_Sector 0x0032 192 192 000Old_age Always - 428 That drive is seriously sick, with 114 bad sectors already reallocated and

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 13:03 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 09/24/2011 12:12 PM, Craig White wrote: The flat earth people apparently don't want to believe that the telephone in my pocket with an 854x480 screen is actually a computer and yes, someday I just might want to be able to run Fedora or

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/24/2011 02:20 PM, Craig White wrote: fair enough though I'm not certain that it doesn't add anything to my point... especially when it comes in response to an overtly sarcastic comment, specifically: lets not pretend you're gonna hold your laptop up to your face and make a

Re: GGoogle chat vs Skype

2011-09-24 Thread Roger
On 25/09/11 00:16, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 09:23 +1000, Roger wrote: How are Skype users addressed? I suppose I am OK if I know their telephone number. Skype, for me on Unbuntu and Fedora took about a few seconds to install. Read the skype instructions for how to use. To

CUPS/LPD Configuration problem

2011-09-24 Thread Geoffrey Leach
I have an HP LaserJet 1300 connected to thru a parallel to USB converter. Configuration on F13 was easy; F14 discovered the printer by itself. Now, with F15 I can't figure out how to navigate through the CUPS options. an anyone provide me some direction? Thanks. -- users mailing list

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-09-24 at 14:32 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: On 09/24/2011 02:20 PM, Craig White wrote: fair enough though I'm not certain that it doesn't add anything to my point... especially when it comes in response to an overtly sarcastic comment, specifically: lets not pretend

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 09/24/2011 07:36 PM, Craig White wrote: I think it's rather analogous. This is not the first time that you have impressed me with your ability to create inference out of your own impressions. It may or may not be a valid analogy, but it's certainly phrased in an insulting way. I'll

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Genes MailLists
On 09/24/2011 05:20 PM, Craig White wrote: lets not pretend you're gonna hold your laptop up to your face and make a call ... are you? You seem to be conveniently ignoring the context. Craig So did you a bit - I put a smiley in there ... my comment was light hearted ... and the

Re: LXDE is an acceptable substitute for Gnome 2

2011-09-24 Thread Olav Vitters
Can we get back to LXDE, GNOME or anything Fedora related? -- Regards, Olav -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines

Re: selinux is a pain

2011-09-24 Thread Robert Nichols
On 09/24/2011 09:43 PM, Craig White wrote: if you are pre-disposed to creating files in one location and moving them to an entirely different location which is certain to create contextual problems. If there is a reasonably small set of locations into which you are habitually moving