Re: live cd install to a LV

2014-07-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jul 13, 2014, at 9:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > Above the Volume Group pop-up is a Size field, that's for the LV, and you can > change that from 500mb to something sane. Desired Capacity. Not Size. So I just did a pvresize to give up 1GB to back myself out of this stuck state and it does

Re: yum install error - help

2014-07-13 Thread JD
On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 4:47 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 07/14/14 06:28, JD wrote: > > Running fc20 64 bit. > Downloaded google earth from: > http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html > and at bottom of page, you select the 64 bit rpm, > and save it. > > yum -y localinstall google-eart

Re: live cd install to a LV

2014-07-13 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jul 13, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Mike Wright wrote: > > The LVM system has this to say: > > PV is 148.53GiB consumed 100% by a VG, extents are 32MiB. > pvdisplay and vgdisplay report free space 1805/56.41GiB. > The installer reports 1.71GiB available space. Somewhere between the tools > to which

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread David Benfell
David Boles writes: It appears that the entire Linux world hates your guts so perhaps you might consider buying a Mac and using Mac OS X? At the very least might I suggest the you STFU? Since you appear to not be smart enough to deal with this. Gee. Are there no moderators here? Mr. Boles,

Re: live cd install to a LV

2014-07-13 Thread Mike Wright
07/11/2014 01:07 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Jul 11, 2014, at 1:36 PM, Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, Is it possible to install a live CD to a logical volume any more? Yes. I've tried repeatedly and just when I think I've got it the installer refuses to proceed. What's the filename of th

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 21:38:33 -0400 David Boles wrote: > So then tell me where the heck have you have been for the past several > weeks? All the time this user has been whining and crying over this 3 > or so year old change that he can not comprehend.? I was not a moderator for this list until th

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread David Boles
So then tell me where the heck have you have been for the past several weeks? All the time this user has been whining and crying over this 3 or so year old change that he can not comprehend.? On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 21:01:35 -0400 > David Boles w

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Mike Wright
07/13/2014 06:01 PM, David Boles wrote: It appears that the entire Linux world hates your guts so perhaps you might consider buying a Mac and using Mac OS X? At the very least might I suggest the you STFU? Since you appear to not be smart enough to deal with this. Gee. Are there no moderators h

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 21:01:35 -0400 David Boles wrote: > It appears that the entire Linux world hates your guts so perhaps you > might consider buying a Mac and using Mac OS X? > > At the very least might I suggest the you STFU? Since you appear to > not be smart enough to deal with this. > > Ge

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread David Boles
It appears that the entire Linux world hates your guts so perhaps you might consider buying a Mac and using Mac OS X? At the very least might I suggest the you STFU? Since you appear to not be smart enough to deal with this. Gee. Are there no moderators here? On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Sam

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 20:37:40 -0400 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > poma writes: > > > Besides why would anyone spend valuable time on outdated network > > scripts on top of something called > > http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/systemd-networkd.8.html > > yum is unable to find this package. As such

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Rahul Sundaram writes: On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Timothy Murphy  wrote: One of the problems with NM, in my view, is that it tries to do too much. This is one of the things that NM addresses with plugins so you can pick and choose which features you want out of it.  Also by integra

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Tom H writes: On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Tom Horsley writes: >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:00:45 -0400 >> Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> >>> Now, here's my hack, which is basically a clone of that NetworkManager >>> subpackage: >> >> You're willing to invest a lot more

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Sam Varshavchik
poma writes: Besides why would anyone spend valuable time on outdated network scripts on top of something called http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/systemd-networkd.8.html yum is unable to find this package. As such, even if it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, it means nothing as

Re: Adobereader won't install

2014-07-13 Thread Mickey
On 07/12/2014 09:14 PM, Stephen Morris wrote: Hi Mickey, This might be a moot point, but have you tried deleting the adobereader profile in your home directory, which fixed my 9.5.5 64bit reader problem when its execution produced errors about being unable to read a file? regards, Steve

Re: yum install error - help

2014-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/14/14 06:28, JD wrote: > Running fc20 64 bit. > Downloaded google earth from: > http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html > and at bottom of page, you select the 64 bit rpm, > and save it. > > yum -y localinstall google-earth-stable-7.1.2.2041-0.x86_64 > > Yum downloaded 34 dependenc

yum install error - help

2014-07-13 Thread JD
Running fc20 64 bit. Downloaded google earth from: http://www.google.com/earth/download/ge/agree.html and at bottom of page, you select the 64 bit rpm, and save it. yum -y localinstall google-earth-stable-7.1.2.2041-0.x86_64 Yum downloaded 34 dependencies, then it burped: Transaction check erro

Re: fix a broken gnome desktop ? [solved]

2014-07-13 Thread Mike Wright
07/13/2014 12:22 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:00:44 -0700 Mike Wright wrote: Thanks for the tip Kevin. I deleted the .gnome directories before I logged back into Gnome3, but I've also logged into Xfce4. So I just deleted them again and logged into Gnome3. They are not there

Re: fix a broken gnome desktop ? [solved]

2014-07-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 21:00:44 -0700 Mike Wright wrote: > Thanks for the tip Kevin. I deleted the .gnome directories before I > logged back into Gnome3, but I've also logged into Xfce4. So I just > deleted them again and logged into Gnome3. They are not there. > Everything is pointing at Xfce

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 3:16 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Tom H writes: >> "NetworkManager-wait-online.service" has: >> >> >> After=NetworkManager.service >> Wants=network.target >> Before=network.target network-online.target >> >> >> Perhaps you should replicate that in "wait-for-network.serv

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > One of the problems with NM, in my view, is that it tries to do too much. This is one of the things that NM addresses with plugins so you can pick and choose which features you want out of it. Also by integrating with existing too

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 19:18:35 +0200 Timothy Murphy wrote: > I'm afraid it does not reassure me at all when Dan Williams says > he will be "granting every wish you dream of". Yea, and my wish and dream is that NetworkManager goes away, and network simply gets better support for wi-fi, which should

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Timothy Murphy
Rahul Sundaram wrote: > You haven't looked at the latest release yet I guess > > http://blogs.gnome.org/dcbw/2014/06/20/well-build-a-dream-house-of-net/ I'm afraid it does not reassure me at all when Dan Williams says he will be "granting every wish you dream of". One of the problems with NM, in

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
H On Sun, Jul 13, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > > > Probably because NetworkManager still has about 10 years to go > before it manages to replicate all the functionality of > network, and then another 10 years before users figure out > how to use it... > You haven't looked at the lates

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/13/2014 06:06 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/13/2014 08:53 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Sometimes, thunderbird becomes non-reactive for minutes longer periods (several minutes), but is back afterwards. Next time that happens, run top to see if it's working its little ass off or just taking a nap

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/13/2014 08:53 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Sometimes, thunderbird becomes non-reactive for minutes longer periods (several minutes), but is back afterwards. Next time that happens, run top to see if it's working its little ass off or just taking a nap. -- users mailing list users@lists.fed

Re: OT: Thunderbird spontaneously unsubscribing folders.

2014-07-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/13/2014 01:54 AM, Rolf Turner wrote: On 13/07/14 03:37, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 12:46 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: You might want to try and find out if those times coincide with your system operators restoring a backup to their drives. Some SysOps do a really

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Balint Szigeti
as I know, systemd will start the *.service first! and then the sysvinit scripts. I think that can cause the problem. Maybe if you create a foo.service which point to your sysvinit script and set the right order in dependency list. maybe, I'm just guessing. On Sun, 2014-07-13 at 10:57 +10

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Balint Szigeti
On Sat, 2014-07-12 at 11:36 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:00:45 -0400 > Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > > Now, here's my hack, which is basically a clone of that NetworkManager > > subpackage: > > You're willing to invest a lot more time in systemd than > I am :-). I just put a

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Tom H
On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 12:08 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Tom Horsley writes: >> On Sat, 12 Jul 2014 10:00:45 -0400 >> Sam Varshavchik wrote: >> >>> Now, here's my hack, which is basically a clone of that NetworkManager >>> subpackage: >> >> You're willing to invest a lot more time in systemd tha

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 13 Jul 2014 10:39:00 +0200 poma wrote: > Besides why would anyone spend valuable time on outdated network scripts Probably because NetworkManager still has about 10 years to go before it manages to replicate all the functionality of network, and then another 10 years before users figure o

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread Anders Wegge Keller
poma writes: > Besides why would anyone spend valuable time on outdated network > scripts on top of something called > http://man7.org/linux/man-pages/man8/systemd-networkd.8.html IMO, if you cannot think of applications, where systemd is inappropriate, you do not have the maturity to go out an

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread poma
Actually, I take this opportunity to thanks all systemd associates for their great effort, commitment and understanding. Godspeed. poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fed

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread poma
On 07/12/2014 10:59 PM, Anders Wegge Keller wrote: Sam Varshavchik writes: I think that systemd should not be fixed. I think it should be dumped, and replaced. It's fundamentally broken, even without this latest fallout. So, why would I want to report systemd bugs, and help improve it? I can't

Re: Is this proof that systemd is completely broken?

2014-07-13 Thread poma
On 07/12/2014 11:38 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/12/2014 02:10 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: Yeah, I know. Thanks for that useful suggestion. Any time. And, I wasn't even intending to be sarcastic. I wanted to point out that, unlike Windows, if you don't like the way Linux works, you're free in ever