Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread Fred Smith
On Wed, Dec 24, 2014 at 09:20:13AM +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 23Dec2014 06:53, Paul Cartwright wrote: > >On 12/23/2014 03:02 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > >>On 12/23/14 15:50, Tim wrote: > >>>I've never come to grips with multiple docs for man, depending on such > >>>things as section numbers.

Re: [OT] Compiling a module for the Fedora kernel

2014-12-23 Thread poma
On 21.12.2014 18:34, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 21.12.2014, Klaus-Peter Schrage wrote: > >> I first tried the latest and greatest nouveau driver from >> freedesktop.org "as is", but the fan problem remains, so I still >> have to apply "my" patch to the nouveau source.. > > I think you should file a

Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 23Dec2014 06:53, Paul Cartwright wrote: On 12/23/2014 03:02 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/23/14 15:50, Tim wrote: I've never come to grips with multiple docs for man, depending on such things as section numbers. And I see no difference in output between "man 8 mount" or "man mount" Granted

Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 23Dec2014 08:52, Paul Cartwright wrote: On 12/23/2014 08:29 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: FWIW, "man man" does tell one the purpose of each of the sections. 1 Executable programs or shell commands 2 System calls (functions provided by the kernel) 3 Library calls (functions

Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 23Dec2014 18:20, Tim wrote: Going off on a tangent here, so I'm deliberately splitting a thread... On Mon, 2014-12-22 at 10:38 +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: Run the command: man 8 mount and see the types available for "-t" option. The "general" part of this advice is that: you're using t

Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 12/23/2014 02:50 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: > However I just noticed "Options" at the top of the mail composition > window and there I can once again select plain text! I did that for > this message. I just did not see that before, wont miss it now that I > know it's there. Dunno if that will elimin

Plymouth Boot Splash Screen Doesn't Work in F21

2014-12-23 Thread Stephen Morris
I had plymouth configured to use the solar theme in F20 and when I used Fedup to upgrade to F21 plymouth did not retain the theme specification. I used command plymouth-set-default-theme solar --rebuild-initrd to set the theme back to what I want but this has not worked. The command did build i

Re: Congrats on F21. fedup worked great!

2014-12-23 Thread Stephen Morris
On 12/23/2014 08:06 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/14 19:53, Timothy Murphy wrote: I'd be happier if there were some evidence that the Fedup developers were keeping a note of problems. Of course that would only come about if the folks having problems would be so kind as

Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 12/23/14 14:55, Joe Zeff wrote: *Shrug!* Email is for communication and html is for making things look pretty. I'm on one mailing list where the software removes all html, leaving only text. Every now and then there's a post containing nothing but a notice that the html part was remove

Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/23/2014 11:50 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: That's about like me telling you to go check that box! I exchange many more html messages than plain text and I want it this way. Until this version of Thunderbird I had the ability to click on plain text only and it went that way. If this becomes a majo

Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 12/23/14 13:17, Joe Zeff wrote: Go to the Account settings for this email address and uncheck the box that tells it to compose messages in HTML. And, while you're at it, tell it to start your message below the quoted text because top posting is an abomination. "uncheck the box that tel

Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/23/2014 10:42 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 12/23/14 13:17, Paul Cartwright wrote: under options-Delivery format-plain text.. Dunno where you have this, I don't? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/thunderbird -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or cha

Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 12/23/2014 01:42 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: >> under options-Delivery format-plain text.. > Dunno where you have this, I don't? when you hit reply, in the reply window menus, there is options-delivery format, then the drop-down includes plain text. someone else mentioned an easy way, go to your add

Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 12/23/14 13:17, Paul Cartwright wrote: under options-Delivery format-plain text.. Dunno where you have this, I don't? Most of my e-mail correspondence is with Windows users and HTML is the norm. This is the first complaint I have had about HTML with F-21, I exchange a lot of text messages

Problem with AMD FirePro v4900 after today's kernel update

2014-12-23 Thread Thomas Cameron
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Howdy - I updated my desktop today, and got kernel-3.17.7-300.fc21.x86_64. When I rebooted, my screens (three of them) were completely blank and the monitors went into power saver mode. Text console was there when I hit ctrl+alt+F2, but X was not ther

Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread jd1008
On 12/23/2014 11:00 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 12/23/14 12:42, Steven Stern wrote: Hey, can you turn off the HTML mail? white on black is really really hard to read. Anyhow, the phones don't back themselves up to iCloud unless their locked and on WiFi, so it shouldn't be hitting your wireless

Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/23/2014 10:00 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: I am curious about the HTML, this is F-21 with Thunderbird 31.3.0 and I have found no option to kill the HTML to the list. I have set it to send plain text to fedoraproject.org and I am careful to remove text styles, etc. from every message I send to the

Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 12/23/2014 01:00 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I am curious about the HTML, this is F-21 with Thunderbird 31.3.0 and > I have found no option to kill the HTML to the list. I have set it to > send plain text to fedoraproject.org and I am careful to remove text > styles, etc. from every message I send

Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 12/23/14 12:42, Steven Stern wrote: Hey, can you turn off the HTML mail? white on black is really really hard to read. Anyhow, the phones don't back themselves up to iCloud unless their locked and on WiFi, so it shouldn't be hitting your wireless data usage plan. Otherwise, use iTunes... it

Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread Steven Stern
On 12/23/2014 09:18 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: > > Can iPhone data be saved to my Fedora-21 computer and be transferred to > another iPhone. This seems to be a common problem in this family when > they get new phones. Apparently they are putting the stuff on an iCloud > server and that raises hell wit

Re: [OT] Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread Paul Cartwright
not sure what you are missing... check the web page, it shows & mentions other packages... libgpod, then under 15.10.2014: * 15.10.2014: Release spree! libplist-1.12.tar.bz2 , libusbmuxd-1.0.10.tar.bz2

Re: [OT] Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 12/23/14 10:52, poma wrote: http://www.libimobiledevice.org/ I found this: [root@box10 bobg]# yum install libimobiledevice Loaded plugins: langpacks Package libimobiledevice-1.1.7-1.fc21.x86_64 already installed and latest version Nothing to do But apparently that does not include every

Re: NTP vulnerability

2014-12-23 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2014-12-23 at 03:54 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 12/22/2014 01:50 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Mon, 2014-12-22 at 04:48 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> On 12/22/14 02:46, Aaron Gray wrote: > >>> There are no ntp or ntpd or systemd-timesyncd packages on F20 ! > >> > >> The defaul

Re: Function keys vs Fn+Function keys F20 on HP Envy

2014-12-23 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 23 December 2014 at 11:35, Gary Stainburn wrote: > Hi folks, > > I'm still not 100% happy with my new laptop - I still can't get WIFI to be > reliable. > > However, my biggest bug bear is the functions keys. I use gvim extensively and > I use the function keys extensively within gvim. > > On my

[OT] Re: Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread poma
On 23.12.2014 16:18, Bob Goodwin wrote: > > Can iPhone data be saved to my Fedora-21 computer and be transferred to > another iPhone. This seems to be a common problem in this family when > they get new phones. Apparently they are putting the stuff on an iCloud > server and that raises hell wit

Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 12/23/2014 10:10 AM, Bill Oliver wrote: > On Tue, 23 Dec 2014, Paul Cartwright wrote: > >> On 12/23/2014 08:29 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> FWIW, "man man" does tell one the purpose of each of the sections. >> 1 Executable programs or shell commands >> 2 System calls (functions pr

Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread poma
On 23.12.2014 08:50, Tim wrote: > Going off on a tangent here, so I'm deliberately splitting a thread... > > > On Mon, 2014-12-22 at 10:38 +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: >> Run the command: >> >> man 8 mount >> >> and see the types available for "-t" option. >> >> The "general" part of thi

Saving ios data -

2014-12-23 Thread Bob Goodwin
Can iPhone data be saved to my Fedora-21 computer and be transferred to another iPhone. This seems to be a common problem in this family when they get new phones. Apparently they are putting the stuff on an iCloud server and that raises hell with my bandwidth usage numbers ... It seems to me

Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread Bill Oliver
On Tue, 23 Dec 2014, Paul Cartwright wrote: On 12/23/2014 08:29 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: FWIW, "man man" does tell one the purpose of each of the sections. 1 Executable programs or shell commands 2 System calls (functions provided by the kernel) 3 Library calls (function

Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/23/14 21:57, Andrew R Paterson wrote: > Try man 1 intro > man 2 intro > man 3 intro > > man 7 intro > man 8 intro And, when in doubt, one can always resort to man -k groff And you'll know what sections are utilized as well as suggestions for related topics. Besides, more often

Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread Andrew R Paterson
Try man 1 intro man 2 intro man 3 intro man 7 intro man 8 intro Regards Andy On Tuesday 23 December 2014 08:52:42 Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 12/23/2014 08:29 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > FWIW, "man man" does tell one the purpose of each of the sections. > >1 Executable programs or s

Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 12/23/2014 08:29 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > FWIW, "man man" does tell one the purpose of each of the sections. 1 Executable programs or shell commands 2 System calls (functions provided by the kernel) 3 Library calls (functions within program libraries) 4 Spec

Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/23/14 19:53, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 12/23/2014 03:02 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 12/23/14 15:50, Tim wrote: >>> I've never come to grips with multiple docs for man, depending on such >>> things as section numbers. And I see no difference in output between >>> "man 8 mount" or "man mount

Re: [OT] Compiling a module for the Fedora kernel

2014-12-23 Thread poma
On 23.12.2014 09:30, Lars E. Pettersson wrote: > On 12/22/14 23:56, poma wrote: >> http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~krejzi/kde5/postlfs/initramfs.html >> "The only purpose of an initramfs is to mount the root filesystem." > > Yes, that was my thinking also, and that the nouveau module had been put

Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 12/23/2014 03:02 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 12/23/14 15:50, Tim wrote: >> I've never come to grips with multiple docs for man, depending on such >> things as section numbers. And I see no difference in output between >> "man 8 mount" or "man mount" Granted I haven't gone the whole way >> throu

Function keys vs Fn+Function keys F20 on HP Envy

2014-12-23 Thread Gary Stainburn
Hi folks, I'm still not 100% happy with my new laptop - I still can't get WIFI to be reliable. However, my biggest bug bear is the functions keys. I use gvim extensively and I use the function keys extensively within gvim. On my new HP Envy as with many new laptops they've reversed the effec

Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/23/14 16:30, Tim wrote: > Tim: >>> I've never come to grips with multiple docs for man, depending on such >>> things as section numbers. And I see no difference in output between >>> "man 8 mount" or "man mount" Granted I haven't gone the whole way >>> through, but I've already gone deep in

Re: [OT] Compiling a module for the Fedora kernel

2014-12-23 Thread Lars E. Pettersson
On 12/22/14 23:56, poma wrote: http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/~krejzi/kde5/postlfs/initramfs.html "The only purpose of an initramfs is to mount the root filesystem." Yes, that was my thinking also, and that the nouveau module had been put there for a reason, but apparently not :) But in mo

Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread Tim
Tim: >> I've never come to grips with multiple docs for man, depending on such >> things as section numbers. And I see no difference in output between >> "man 8 mount" or "man mount" Granted I haven't gone the whole way >> through, but I've already gone deep into them, and not seen anything. Ed

Re: man sections

2014-12-23 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/23/14 15:50, Tim wrote: > I've never come to grips with multiple docs for man, depending on such > things as section numbers. And I see no difference in output between > "man 8 mount" or "man mount" Granted I haven't gone the whole way > through, but I've already gone deep into them, and no