On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 09:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>> If people aren't actually going to test what we have, and file bug
>> report,
>
> If you want to see this thing fixed, tested and see bug reports, then
> publish updates on a regular basis. M
In the very early days, the only way to get Linux components was by dialup
download.
There were no "distributions". It was everybody for themselves.
If one had an issue, it was easy to email Linus or Alan Cox.
I did a few ports in 1992/93 including things like gated and imapd and Alan
and/or L
On 02/25/2015 09:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
If people aren't actually going to test what we have, and file bug
report,
If you want to see this thing fixed, tested and see bug reports, then
publish updates on a regular basis. Monthly network installer iso
images, for instance.
Stability and
On 02/26/2015 04:43 AM, Dave Stevens wrote:
Quoting jd1008 :
I found
https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/
and
https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/old-versions/
and
http://draconux.free.fr/os_dev/linux0.01.html
But I cannot find any first CD iso releases.
Thanks for a
Once upon a time, jd1008 said:
> I found
> https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/
> and
> https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/old-versions/
> and
> http://draconux.free.fr/os_dev/linux0.01.html
>
> But I cannot find any first CD iso releases.
Linus just does the kernel, n
Quoting jd1008 :
I found
https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/
and
https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/old-versions/
and
http://draconux.free.fr/os_dev/linux0.01.html
But I cannot find any first CD iso releases.
Thanks for any links.
was it even on CD? My first slack
I found
https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/
and
https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/Historic/old-versions/
and
http://draconux.free.fr/os_dev/linux0.01.html
But I cannot find any first CD iso releases.
Thanks for any links.
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 03:27 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> But no, you were just being a discourteous
>> person.
>
>
> Actually, until you made it clear that one of your main reasons for posting
> was to create dissension,
You keep making these grandiose,
Hi,
I've tried to build and run qtgrace on fedora 20 and it almost always
segfaults. The only time it worked was within a remote desktop running
in x2go. I have attempted with both Qt 4.x and 5.x from the fedora repo.
qtgrace
http://qtgrace.sourceforge.net/
I tried this posted solution bu
On 02/25/2015 03:27 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
But no, you were just being a discourteous
person.
Actually, until you made it clear that one of your main reasons for
posting was to create dissension, I've been very, very careful to remain
civil and I intend to continue that way. I'm not saying
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:21 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 03:15 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> No, my posts are designed to hold people accountable for things they
>> say, and insist they provide facts, not mere opinions. If that demand
>> just so happens to cause the conjecturing factless tro
On 02/25/2015 03:15 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 02/25/2015 02:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
THAT'S THE F'N DEFINITION OF TROLLING. FACTLESS!
No, trolling is making posts designed to get other people angry and cause
dissention, which you've alrea
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 02:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> THAT'S THE F'N DEFINITION OF TROLLING. FACTLESS!
>
>
> No, trolling is making posts designed to get other people angry and cause
> dissention, which you've already admitted to doing. No more food
On 02/25/2015 02:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
By all means unleash your billy goat, because no doubt it can conduct
a debate better than you have. Fine debaters, billy goats. I'll bet
your billy goat has bugs filed before you do at this rate.
Weird is anything you don't approve of.
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On 02/25/2015 02:55 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
THAT'S THE F'N DEFINITION OF TROLLING. FACTLESS!
No, trolling is making posts designed to get other people angry and
cause dissention, which you've already admitted to doing. No more food
for you, troll.
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On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:37 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 02:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> No in fact I love being wrong, it means I get to learn something new
>> and I value that more than being right. But shadenfreude is delicious,
>> so I also like causing dissonance in others when I
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 02:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> So 75+ emails on a thread about how the installer can't do what you
>> want, and it's actually based on uncertainty? You need more Pai Mei in
>> your life. I have obviously been way, way too diplom
On 02/25/2015 02:30 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
They are provided by default, they're hard dependencies by Anaconda.
Thank you; as I've said, it's been years since I've needed to do a clean
install of Fedora. As long as they're available, and as long as you can
make whatever selections of mount
On 02/25/2015 02:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
No in fact I love being wrong, it means I get to learn something new
and I value that more than being right. But shadenfreude is delicious,
so I also like causing dissonance in others when I think they're
wrong.
I see: you're simply a troll. Get back
On 02/25/2015 02:22 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
So 75+ emails on a thread about how the installer can't do what you
want, and it's actually based on uncertainty? You need more Pai Mei in
your life. I have obviously been way, way too diplomatic and patient.
One of the many things I like about Linux
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:22 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> An excellent point. If the needed CLI tools are provided by default, that's
> all that's really needed, isn't it? (Having this mentioned either in the
> installer's instructions or in the on-line Documentation would be a Good
> Idea as well.)
On 02/25/2015 02:05 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Why do you need a button in the installer? Why is ctrl-alt-f2 to get
to a shell insufficient?
An excellent point. If the needed CLI tools are provided by default,
that's all that's really needed, isn't it? (Having this mentioned
either in the inst
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 01:57 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> I refuse your premise. The feature requesters have no champion
>> offering to even create this hypothetical Expert Mode, therefore no
>> one is refusing to patch bugs for something that doesn't eve
On 02/25/2015 01:57 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
I refuse your premise. The feature requesters have no champion
offering to even create this hypothetical Expert Mode, therefore no
one is refusing to patch bugs for something that doesn't even exist.
Just to be clear, do you mean "I refuse to accept y
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> An example could be something like this: a button which opens a shell with
> fdisk or gparted or similar, wich then jumps back to anaconda when
> partitioning
> is done, which then rereads the disk layout and let me enter the mountpoints
> wo
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 12:14 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> One single button with 4000 lines of code behind it. You assume that
>> providing full control in a GUI just happens magically as if that work
>> is already done and the Anaconda folks are willfull
On 02/25/2015 01:44 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
Since 21 there is no "complete" version. About the only way to not
use live media is to use netinstall.
So? Next time I do a clean install, that's what I'll use.
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Joe Zeff wrote:
> I've had to do a clean install of Fedora, I've always used the complete
> install version
Since 21 there is no "complete" version. About the only way to not
use live media is to use netinstall.
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On 02/25/2015 01:14 PM, Mike Wohlgemuth wrote:
I'm not clear how this is better than just running fdisk off the live
image before running the installer, though.
Well, what about those people who don't install from a live image? When
I've had to do a clean install of Fedora, I've always used t
On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 12:56 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/25/2015 12:46 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> > An example could be something like this: a button which opens a shell with
> > fdisk or gparted or similar,
>
> I like that. If you don't know enough Linux to use those tools (or how
> to read and
On 02/25/2015 12:46 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
An example could be something like this: a button which opens a shell with
fdisk or gparted or similar,
I like that. If you don't know enough Linux to use those tools (or how
to read and understand whatever help they give) you probably don't know
en
On 02/25/2015 12:14 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
One single button with 4000 lines of code behind it. You assume that
providing full control in a GUI just happens magically as if that work
is already done and the Anaconda folks are willfully disabling things.
I doubt that. What we want is a way to
On 25.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
> One single button with 4000 lines of code behind it. You assume that
> providing full control in a GUI just happens magically as if that work
> is already done and the Anaconda folks are willfully disabling things.
Not at all.
An example could be something l
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 02/24/2015 05:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ralf Corsepius
>> wrote:
>
>
>>> Similar restriction apply elsewhere. E.g. I have an older BIOS system
>>> which
>>> for (at least to me) unknown reasons ref
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:44 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 24.02.2015, jd1008 wrote:
>
>> Myself, I always know how to tell anaconda I will manually partition
>> the drive, without resorting to external tools.
>> But I cannot assume that ALL other people have the know-how to
>> manually partition th
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 1:53 AM, Angelo Moreschini <
mrangelo.fed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> my computer often (not all the time) has problem at booting ...
>
> When it happen, it boot to emergency mode...
>
> (after I install new updates, then this problem occurs regularly)
>
> The message th
> On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 12:49 -1000, Jim Lewis wrote:
>> I ran "yum update" on my Fedora 20 system a few days ago. I normally
>> don't do this as something always breaks and in this case it was the
>> Mate-Terminal.
>
> I can't say that I have that experience, it's very rare that an update
> break
On 02/24/2015 06:14 AM, Aaron Gray wrote:
sorry for the noise !
On 24 February 2015 at 11:48, Aaron Gray wrote:
Hi,
Where are libssl and libssl-dev/devel or their equivalents on fedora ?
Sorry I am confused !
Many thanks in advance,
The RPMs are openssl, openssl-libs, and openssl-devel.
On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 12:49 -1000, Jim Lewis wrote:
> I ran "yum update" on my Fedora 20 system a few days ago. I normally
> don't do this as something always breaks and in this case it was the
> Mate-Terminal.
I can't say that I have that experience, it's very rare that an update
breaks something
I have been wrestling with setting the default mailer in Fedora 21 under
mate.
when I use xdg-settings set default-url-scheme-handler mailto
mozilla-thunderbird.desktop
It says the desktop environment is unknown.
Can anyone tell me where the envronment under Mate is supposed to be set ?
-
On Wed, 2015-02-25 at 08:16 +, Paul Smith wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> >>
> >> After having installed the NVidia proprietary drivers, the usual boot
> >> panel with a ball with an "F" in the middle does not show up anymore;
> >> now, I get a bar at the bottom of
On 02/24/2015 05:56 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 8:51 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
Similar restriction apply elsewhere. E.g. I have an older BIOS system which
for (at least to me) unknown reasons refuses to boot from chained/cascaded
grub partitions beyond some disk-limits.
On 02/25/15 17:48, Jens Neu wrote:
> On 02/23/2015 05:18 PM, Tim wrote:
>> On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 09:17 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
>>> This poroblem occurs on other unices as well, try using the bg option
>>> in your nfs fstab entry.
>> Putting fstab entries in is really only useful for what I
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 5:55 AM, Tom H wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Jens Neu wrote:
>> On 02/23/2015 10:17 AM, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
>>>
>>> This poroblem occurs on other unices as well, try using the bg option in
>>> your nfs fstab entry.
>>
>> unfortunatley option bg does not re
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 4:45 AM, Jens Neu wrote:
> On 02/23/2015 10:17 AM, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
>>
>> This poroblem occurs on other unices as well, try using the bg option in
>> your nfs fstab entry.
>
> unfortunatley option bg does not resolve it. mount -a still is the way to
> go.
Pre-syste
On 02/23/2015 05:18 PM, Tim wrote:
On Mon, 2015-02-23 at 09:17 +, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
This poroblem occurs on other unices as well, try using the bg option
in your nfs fstab entry.
Putting fstab entries in is really only useful for what I consider to be
permanently available shares (or
On 02/23/2015 10:17 AM, Andrew R Paterson wrote:
This poroblem occurs on other unices as well, try using the bg option in your
nfs fstab entry.
Andy
unfortunatley option bg does not resolve it. mount -a still is the way
to go.
-Jens
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Hi,
my computer often (not all the time) has problem at booting ...
When it happen, it boot to emergency mode...
(after I install new updates, then this problem occurs regularly)
The message that I get, when the problem come, are (approximately):
Welcome to emergency
On 24.02.2015, jd1008 wrote:
> Myself, I always know how to tell anaconda I will manually partition
> the drive, without resorting to external tools.
> But I cannot assume that ALL other people have the know-how to
> manually partition their drives.
A simple solution would be to do whatever is n
On Wed, Feb 25, 2015 at 8:06 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>>
>> After having installed the NVidia proprietary drivers, the usual boot
>> panel with a ball with an "F" in the middle does not show up anymore;
>> now, I get a bar at the bottom of the screen, which increases its
>> length as the booting activi
On 02/25/2015 12:00 AM, Paul Smith wrote:
After having installed the NVidia proprietary drivers, the usual boot
panel with a ball with an "F" in the middle does not show up anymore;
now, I get a bar at the bottom of the screen, which increases its
length as the booting activity is progressing. Is
Dear All,
After having installed the NVidia proprietary drivers, the usual boot
panel with a ball with an "F" in the middle does not show up anymore;
now, I get a bar at the bottom of the screen, which increases its
length as the booting activity is progressing. Is it possible to get
back the usua
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