Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-12 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Matthew, Thank you very much! This was very helpful and a learning experience (and you are right, I copied stuff from files here and there and did Hail-Mary passes to see which worked, sorry. I don't really have a lot of time to learn all this. Anyway, I decided to go with pdf-stapler. (Though

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-12 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/12/2015 04:25 PM, Roger wrote: I learned a long time ago to not upgrade for at least a month or more after release so that the initial new bugs are diminished and I've had time to read the lists for gotchas and difficulties. Yup! Me too. And, I've been known to skip various versions be

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-12 Thread Roger
It's not the upgrading process that's the problem. It's that the newer > >software tends to be broken in anything but the default configuration. > >I upgraded my girlfriend's desktop to F21 and it's literally unusable > >now. I learned a long time ago to not upgrade for at least a month or mor

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2015-05-12 at 12:18 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: > On 05/12/2015 11:25 AM, Neal Becker wrote: > >> It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > >> >a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release > >> >(from which the upgrade was performed), if the user > >> >decides (for some

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/12/2015 04:03 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: To do this sort of thing, I'd HIGHLY recommend a full backup and a full reinstall followed by a restore of the home directories and such the OP is interested in. Believe me, this will help preserve the OP's sanity. I'm not disagreeing with you. In f

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Rick Stevens
On 05/12/2015 01:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/12/2015 01:30 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Well, I was talking about reinstalling. There is no fedup for that. Folks like the OP on F17 can not fedup (and have to reinstall for an upgrade) from what I understood. There's always preupgrade. Unlike fedu

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 09:22:21AM -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > http://ur1.ca/kckv7 -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/221087/14400891 Some comments inline; these will save you some time with the package review. > Name: stapler I think pdf-stapler is a fine choice here, or pdfstapler.

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 10:19:39PM +0200, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > I am sorry I do not quite understand. I presume that you mean that one > > should rename stapler (my packaged version) to something else. I tried > > doing this in the spec file. But it never worked because the spec file > > looks f

Wayland and display order (F21)

2015-05-12 Thread Steven Stern
Although my system isn't quite working with Wayland, I want to keep playing with it. How do I tell it to save a change in the order of the displays? Right now, I have to use preferences -> displays with each login. With "regular Gnome", I used an xrandr commmand to order the monitors. -- -- St

Re: Gonna be a little irritating again Sorry

2015-05-12 Thread g
On 05/12/2015 05:43 AM, Richard Z wrote: > On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 01:20:59AM -0500, g wrote: >> On 05/11/2015 09:12 AM, Glenn Holmer wrote: >> <<>> >>> Digital clock. The problem this causes for me is that if I add the >>> short date display, the clock becomes too small unless I make the >>> pan

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread M. Fioretti
On 2015-05-12 21:50, Pete Travis wrote: On May 12, 2015 11:54 AM, "jd1008" wrote: > > > It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release > (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user > decides (for some reason) to return to t

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Ranjan Maitra
> where no such issue exists. > >>> Well, much of the concerns about upgrading/reinstalling are about "losing > >>> data". I have always had a separate /home partition and just mounted it > >>> unformatted and never noticed a difference from one install to the other > >>> (since the days of

Re: Cannot find combination.hpp in Fedora boost

2015-05-12 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 11:06:40AM -0700, Susi Lehtola wrote: > On 05/12/2015 12:08 AM, Paul Smith wrote: > >Dear All, > > > >I have installed Boost with > > > >yum install boost-devel > > > >However, I cannot find > > > >combination.hpp. > > > >Could you please help me? > > I don't think it's eve

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/12/2015 01:30 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Well, I was talking about reinstalling. There is no fedup for that. Folks like the OP on F17 can not fedup (and have to reinstall for an upgrade) from what I understood. There's always preupgrade. Unlike fedup, I've never had that fail, and would

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-12 Thread Ranjan Maitra
> > Just rename the tarball to the new name and you are good. The %{name} > macro takes the value from the Name: field in the spec file. > > If I recall correctly, Fedora packaging guidelines says the package name > should be something like python-stapler. Are you sure? It would make more sense

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread jd1008
On 05/12/2015 02:30 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 14:10:19 -0600 jd1008 wrote: On 05/12/2015 01:58 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 13:37:47 -0600 jd1008 wrote: On 05/12/2015 01:23 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 05/12/2015 11:52 AM, jd1008 wrote: On 05/12/2015 1

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 12 May 2015 14:10:19 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > > > On 05/12/2015 01:58 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > On Tue, 12 May 2015 13:37:47 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > > > >> > >> On 05/12/2015 01:23 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > >>> On 05/12/2015 11:52 AM, jd1008 wrote: > > On 05/12/2015 12:26 PM, R

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-12 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 09:22:21AM -0500, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > That is trivial to deal with. There are many packages in fedora which > > are renamed to meet packaging guidelines (e.g. many of the python-* or > > perl-* packages). I encourage you to submit it for review. > > I am sorry I do n

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread jd1008
On 05/12/2015 01:58 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 13:37:47 -0600 jd1008 wrote: On 05/12/2015 01:23 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 05/12/2015 11:52 AM, jd1008 wrote: On 05/12/2015 12:26 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600 jd1008 wrote: It would be a

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-12 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 11 May 2015, Rolf Turner wrote: I am currently running Fedora 17. Which is of course antediluvian. But The last version I succesfully installed was F17. everything I have seen on this list with respect to upgrading terrifies me. Disasters seem to lurk everywhere and I haven't the s

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 12 May 2015 13:37:47 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > > > On 05/12/2015 01:23 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > > On 05/12/2015 11:52 AM, jd1008 wrote: > >> > >> > >> On 05/12/2015 12:26 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > >>> On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > >>> > It would be a great idea

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Pete Travis
On May 12, 2015 11:54 AM, "jd1008" wrote: > > > It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release > (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user > decides (for some reason) to return to the previous > release. This would completely obv

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread jd1008
On 05/12/2015 01:29 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 05/12/2015 12:12 PM, Steven Stern wrote: The opposite of "fedup"... "UpChuck", perhaps? Well, we already have the unofficial fedora-upgrade, so fedora-downgrade would make sense. :) What would be the antonym of fedup ? How does fedown sound?

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread jd1008
On 05/12/2015 01:23 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 05/12/2015 11:52 AM, jd1008 wrote: On 05/12/2015 12:26 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600 jd1008 wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from wh

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Joe Zeff
On 05/12/2015 12:12 PM, Steven Stern wrote: The opposite of "fedup"... "UpChuck", perhaps? Well, we already have the unofficial fedora-upgrade, so fedora-downgrade would make sense. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admi

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Rick Stevens
On 05/12/2015 11:52 AM, jd1008 wrote: On 05/12/2015 12:26 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600 jd1008 wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user dec

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 05/12/2015 11:25 AM, Neal Becker wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide >a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release >(from which the upgrade was performed), if the user >decides (for some reason) to return to the previous >release. This would completely obviate the

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Steven Stern
On 05/12/2015 01:47 PM, jd1008 wrote: > > > On 05/12/2015 11:59 AM, Ronal B Morse wrote: >> On 05/12/2015 11:53 AM, jd1008 wrote: >>> >>> It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide >>> a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release >>> (from which the upgrade was performed), if the

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread jd1008
On 05/12/2015 12:26 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600 jd1008 wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user decides (for some reason) to return to the

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread jd1008
On 05/12/2015 11:59 AM, Ronal B Morse wrote: On 05/12/2015 11:53 AM, jd1008 wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user decides (for some reason) to return to the previous re

Re: F21 user core files

2015-05-12 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 02:34:33PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > > I'm unable to obtain a user-readable core file from a user > > application under Fedora 21. The core files are being saved > > under /var/lib/systemd/coredump, and are owned by root. > This will disable all the magic core file and ab

Re: F21 user core files

2015-05-12 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:06:57 -0700 Michael Eager wrote: > I'm unable to obtain a user-readable core file from a user > application under Fedora 21. The core files are being saved > under /var/lib/systemd/coredump, and are owned by root. This will disable all the magic core file and abrt processi

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Fred Smith
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 02:25:30PM -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > jd1008 wrote: > > > > > It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > > a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release > > (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user > > decides (for some reason) to return to the

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Zoltan Hoppar
Hi, This would be a great idea, but I would like to have only as an opportunity, to create full image backup or files to the user local storage, or cloud storage along within some 'Hiren's boot cd'-like tools from the boot menu. Earlier we have given such tools, but never the opportunity to have i

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > > It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release > (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user > decides (for some reason) to return to the previous > release. This would complet

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Neal Becker
jd1008 wrote: > > It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release > (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user > decides (for some reason) to return to the previous > release. This would completely obviate the need to > do a backu

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/12/2015 07:53 PM, jd1008 wrote: This would completely obviate the need to do a backup, and restore - especially for a 1TB or more drives (I have a 4TB drive, for example). Off-topic, but do you consider using a 1TB or 4TB "/" partition to be a reasonable idea? I don't. Ralf -- users m

F21 user core files

2015-05-12 Thread Michael Eager
I'm unable to obtain a user-readable core file from a user application under Fedora 21. The core files are being saved under /var/lib/systemd/coredump, and are owned by root. None of the configuration changes I've made to /etc/systemd/coredump.conf appear to make any difference. Has anyone else

Re: Cannot find combination.hpp in Fedora boost

2015-05-12 Thread Susi Lehtola
On 05/12/2015 12:08 AM, Paul Smith wrote: Dear All, I have installed Boost with yum install boost-devel However, I cannot find combination.hpp. Could you please help me? I don't think it's even part of Boost nowadays. -- Susi Lehtola Fedora Project Contributor jussileht...@fedoraproject.or

Re: F21 - NetworkManager "hotspot.txt" TLS Failure Message

2015-05-12 Thread Tom Rivers
On 5/8/2015 09:24, Tom Rivers wrote: Good morning! Since shortly after 4PM EDT on May 5, 2015 I have been seeing the following message in my system logs every 5 minutes: NetworkManager[768]: Connectivity check for uri 'https://fedoraproject.org/static/hotspot.txt' failed with 'Peer failed

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Ronal B Morse
On 05/12/2015 11:53 AM, jd1008 wrote: It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user decides (for some reason) to return to the previous release. This would completely obviate the need to

Re: Cannot find combination.hpp in Fedora boost

2015-05-12 Thread Greg Woods
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:08 AM, Paul Smith wrote: > Dear All, > > I have installed Boost with > > yum install boost-devel > > However, I cannot find > > combination.hpp. > It doesn't appear that this file is part of any package. The way to tell is with something like this: # yum whatprovides *

Re: an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 12 May 2015 11:53:38 -0600 jd1008 wrote: > It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide > a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release I always keep two system partitions. One with this release, and one with the previous release. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproj

an idea about upgrades

2015-05-12 Thread jd1008
It would be a great idea if Fedora would provide a way to downgrade to the immediately previous release (from which the upgrade was performed), if the user decides (for some reason) to return to the previous release. This would completely obviate the need to do a backup, and restore - especially

Re: How To preserve file attributes (chattr/lsattr) when copy it to another location

2015-05-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2015-05-12 at 17:13 +0200, Dario Lesca wrote: > I must copy a dir with some file with 'i' attribute set, but rsync (or > cp) do not copy this attribute. > > See this little example: > > # touch testfile > # chattr +i testfile > # rsync -aAX testfile testfile2 >

Re: How To preserve file attributes (chattr/lsattr) when copy it to another location

2015-05-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2015-05-12 at 17:13 +0200, Dario Lesca wrote: > I must copy a dir with some file with 'i' attribute set, but rsync (or > cp) do not copy this attribute. > > See this little example: > > # touch testfile > # chattr +i testfile > # rsync -aAX testfile testfile2 >

How To preserve file attributes (chattr/lsattr) when copy it to another location

2015-05-12 Thread Dario Lesca
I must copy a dir with some file with 'i' attribute set, but rsync (or cp) do not copy this attribute. See this little example: # touch testfile # chattr +i testfile # rsync -aAX testfile testfile2 # lsattr testfile* i-- testfile ---

Re: F20: YUM - failure: repodata/repomd.xml from updates

2015-05-12 Thread M. Fioretti
On 2015-05-11 16:52, Kevin Fenzi wrote: OK, I'll wait until I see that announcement here then, no big deal for me. Things should be back to normal now since last night. ;) confirmed, thanks. Marco -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription opti

Re: How to keep up to date users with distributions way past EOL (Was Re: Biting the bullet?)

2015-05-12 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Mon, 11 May 2015 23:07:33 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 05/11/2015 09:03 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > FREE 3D MARINE AQUARIUM SCREENSAVER - Watch dolphins, sharks & orcas on > > your desktop! > > Check it out athttp://www.inbox.com/marineaquarium > > I followed that link and it tried to install

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-12 Thread Ranjan Maitra
> That is trivial to deal with. There are many packages in fedora which > are renamed to meet packaging guidelines (e.g. many of the python-* or > perl-* packages). I encourage you to submit it for review. I am sorry I do not quite understand. I presume that you mean that one should rename stap

Re: WiFi restoration

2015-05-12 Thread g
On 05/12/2015 04:52 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: <<>> > I tried all the mechanisms suggested in the manual, and none worked. > If I were writing the manual, I would say on page 1, > "The first step has to be to access the device web-page. > If you aren't able to do this you cannot set up the repeat

Re: WiFi restoration

2015-05-12 Thread Tim
Doug: >> You should be able to access the device over the network in wifi mode >> simply by entering the ip address in the address line of your router. > Timothy Murphy: > I get the web-page of my router when I do that. Depending on how your wireless extender works, it could just act like a switc

Re: WiFi restoration

2015-05-12 Thread Timothy Murphy
Doug wrote: >> In any case, I managed to see the device's web-page briefly, >> by switching off WiFi on my laptop, connecting the device >> to the laptop by ethernet, and changing the laptop's ethernet address >> to 192.168.10.5 . >> Now I could see the web-page at 192.168.10.1 for about 30 second

Re: WiFi restoration

2015-05-12 Thread Timothy Murphy
Tim wrote: >> The manual says the device has IP address 192.168.10.1, >> but as far as I can see you have to have a machine >> running 192.168.10.something to see the device's web-page? >> I know 192.168.10.* is an allowed address, >> but is it so popular that one can assume it is in use? > Withi

Re: Biting the bullet?

2015-05-12 Thread M. Fioretti
On 2015-05-11 18:40, jd1008 wrote: On 05/11/2015 12:45 AM, M. Fioretti wrote: Why not backup everything, then completely ERASE the old installation, installing over it the current version from SCRATCH, then configure it to work as you need? Seriously. Wouldn't it be a much more reliable path,

Cannot find combination.hpp in Fedora boost

2015-05-12 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All, I have installed Boost with yum install boost-devel However, I cannot find combination.hpp. Could you please help me? Thanks in advance, Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/