Re: Need a statement on Fedora's purpose

2019-04-01 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 4/1/19 3:30 PM, Digimer wrote: I've had so many bug reports to Fedora go ignored, only to have them auto-close when the version I filed against goes EOL. I rarely even bother filing bugs against it anymore. Come to think of it, I have a few of those too. But they were all non critical and I

Re: Need a statement on Fedora's purpose

2019-04-01 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 4/1/19 3:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 11:40:26 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users wrote: I have several bug reports on RHEL that are over five years old. That does not happen with Fedora. Sure about that? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451562 (11 years old now :-)

Re: Need a statement on Fedora's purpose

2019-04-01 Thread Digimer
On 2019-04-01 6:07 p.m., Tom Horsley wrote: > On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 11:40:26 -0700 > ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > >> I have several bug reports on RHEL that >> are over five years old. That does not happen with Fedora. > > Sure about that? > > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451562

Re: Need a statement on Fedora's purpose

2019-04-01 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 11:40:26 -0700 ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > I have several bug reports on RHEL that > are over five years old. That does not happen with Fedora. Sure about that? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451562 (11 years old now :-).

Re: Need a statement on Fedora's purpose

2019-04-01 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 4/1/19 11:23 AM, Digimer wrote: On 2019-04-01 11:58 a.m., Beartooth wrote: On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:51:32 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: [] I think that the term "stable" here should be replaced with "buggy". RHEL is intensely buggy and their bugs seldom get fixed; Fedora has

Re: Need a statement on Fedora's purpose

2019-04-01 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 4/1/19 8:58 AM, Beartooth wrote: On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:51:32 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: [] I think that the term "stable" here should be replaced with "buggy". RHEL is intensely buggy and their bugs seldom get fixed; Fedora has a few bugs, but they are rapidly taken car

Re: Need a statement on Fedora's purpose

2019-04-01 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 4/1/19 6:40 AM, David Dusanic wrote: ToddAndMargo via users: Not really.  It is the next thing that is stable after the bleeding edge.  Think LibreOffice and Firefox and the kernel. Are the repo's on the latest version?  They are not. Just the one behind it usually. I look at Fedroa as up-t

Re: Need a statement on Fedora's purpose

2019-04-01 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 4/1/19 6:34 AM, David Dusanic wrote: ToddAndMargo via users:   But you can do that with any OS by disabling the updates. I would not recommend disabling updates. RHEL gives you updates, too but they are security fixes and patches. RHEL indeed does do minimal updates. Mostly security

Re: Need a statement on Fedora's purpose

2019-04-01 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 4/1/19 4:47 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: On 3/30/19 1:41 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: I believe they may mean that within a given release there may be updates which may update a version of a library which is incompatible with their app. An extreme case of this would be F29 going from the

Re: Xfce 4.14?

2019-04-01 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On 3/31/19 9:03 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > On 3/31/19 4:58 PM, David Dusanic wrote: >> Sam Varshavchik: >> >>> The only bug I'm aware of is the cursor pointer flickering, which is >>> not even xfce's fault, but buggy Gnome code. >>> >>> xfce 4.13 has been fine for me. >> >> I understand th

Re: Need a statement on Fedora's purpose

2019-04-01 Thread Digimer
On 2019-04-01 11:58 a.m., Beartooth wrote: > On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:51:32 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > [] >> I think that the term "stable" here should be replaced with "buggy". >> RHEL is intensely buggy and their bugs seldom get fixed; Fedora has a >> few bugs, but they are r

Re: Alternative grub entries

2019-04-01 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2019-04-01 at 12:57 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Mon, 2019-04-01 at 13:32 +0200, Michal Schorm wrote: > > > I've got simmilar problem. > > > > > > 1) You should use BLSCFG. > > > that way, you will have each boot entry as a standalone file - which > > >

Re: Alternative grub entries

2019-04-01 Thread Todd Zullinger
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2019-04-01 at 13:32 +0200, Michal Schorm wrote: >> I've got simmilar problem. >> >> 1) You should use BLSCFG. >> that way, you will have each boot entry as a standalone file - which >> is easily configurable - in "/boot/loader/entries". >> >> 2) You have to up

Re: Need a statement on Fedora's purpose

2019-04-01 Thread Beartooth
On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:51:32 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: [] > I think that the term "stable" here should be replaced with "buggy". > RHEL is intensely buggy and their bugs seldom get fixed; Fedora has a > few bugs, but they are rapidly taken care of. I'm confused, ma

Re: Alternative grub entries

2019-04-01 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2019-04-01 at 13:32 +0200, Michal Schorm wrote: > I've got simmilar problem. > > 1) You should use BLSCFG. > that way, you will have each boot entry as a standalone file - which > is easily configurable - in "/boot/loader/entries". > > 2) You have to update the script that creates / updat

Re: Xfce 4.14?

2019-04-01 Thread David Dusanic
ToddAndMargo via users: Where did you find 30? You can search for packages and even for the upcoming release and EPEL: https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/ -- David Dusanic ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: Need a statement on Fedora's purpose

2019-04-01 Thread David Dusanic
ToddAndMargo via users: Not really.  It is the next thing that is stable after the bleeding edge.  Think LibreOffice and Firefox and the kernel. Are the repo's on the latest version?  They are not. Just the one behind it usually. I look at Fedroa as up-to-date, not bleeding edge.  You can get b

Re: Need a statement on Fedora's purpose

2019-04-01 Thread David Dusanic
ToddAndMargo via users:   But you can do that with any OS by disabling the updates. I would not recommend disabling updates. RHEL gives you updates, too but they are security fixes and patches. -- David Dusanic ___ users mailing list -- users@lists

Re: Need a statement on Fedora's purpose

2019-04-01 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 3/30/19 1:41 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: I believe they may mean that within a given release there may be updates which may update a version of a library which is incompatible with their app. An extreme case of this would be F29 going from the 4.X kernel to the 5.X kernel. Not quit

Re: Alternative grub entries

2019-04-01 Thread Michal Schorm
I've got simmilar problem. 1) You should use BLSCFG. that way, you will have each boot entry as a standalone file - which is easily configurable - in "/boot/loader/entries". 2) You have to update the script that creates / updates the boot entries. which is "/usr/lib/kernel/install.d/20-grub.insta

Alternative grub entries

2019-04-01 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
I'm interested in configuring grub to allow selecting different sets of kernel parameters at boot time. I know I can edit the boot command line by hand, but this is tedious and error-prone. (An example might be to choose between the Nouveau and Nvidia drivers by selecting the appropriate menu entry

Re: Xfce 4.14?

2019-04-01 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 3/31/19 10:28 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 4/1/19 1:03 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 3/31/19 9:36 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 4/1/19 12:03 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Do you know if 4.14 be in Fedora 30? Well, if you download the latest F30 Xfce Live image you'd find out it is still