Re: F35: Default audio output device

2021-11-16 Thread Ed Greshko
On 17/11/2021 07:27, Sam Varshavchik wrote: One of my servers was rebooted two times, so far, since the update to F35. There's no audio after each reboot. First time: after some scrambling around, I found that I simply have to switch to "Built-In Analog Stereo" in XFCE's (my desktop) audio mix

Re: plantronics blackwire 3310 in F33 workstation

2021-11-16 Thread Tim via users
Samuel Sieb wrote: >> It's a USB sound device sampling an analog source (your >> microphone). A digital input would be something like SPDIF. Anil Felipe Duggirala: > Thanks Samuel. That makes it clearer to me, now I just need to find > out what SPDIF is and how different input devices fall into t

Re: [Test Week] Fedora Linux Kernel 5.15 2021-11-14 through 2021-11-21

2021-11-16 Thread murph nj
Funny, after I posted this, I found where the email acknowledgements for the tests came in, and then, a flood of badge messages as well. So, problem solved. If someone did something in the background, thanks! On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 4:02 PM murph nj wrote: > Not that the badges are the importa

F35: Default audio output device

2021-11-16 Thread Sam Varshavchik
One of my servers was rebooted two times, so far, since the update to F35. There's no audio after each reboot. First time: after some scrambling around, I found that I simply have to switch to "Built-In Analog Stereo" in XFCE's (my desktop) audio mixer. Fine, so I wrote it off as a result of

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Emmett Culley via users
On 11/16/21 2:27 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 11/16/21 2:46 PM, Peter Boy wrote: Yes indeed, you know that (and I, too). But someone, who is new to Linux? Or to computers in general? If I were helping a newcomer to Linux, and pointed them toward nano, I'd include explaining what ^ means in that c

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 16 Nov 2021 14:27:49 -0700 Joe Zeff wrote: > What I don't understand is why so many people think that > vi/vim is so wonderful unless it's justifying the amount of work it took > them to learn it. Bingo! :-). Why would anyone think an editor with separate "modes" for moving the cursor a

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/16/21 2:46 PM, Peter Boy wrote: Yes indeed, you know that (and I, too). But someone, who is new to Linux? Or to computers in general? If I were helping a newcomer to Linux, and pointed them toward nano, I'd include explaining what ^ means in that context. How much explaining do you n

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/16/21 2:40 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: If I need more that vi, then I use geany.  We ARE using a gui interface on most systems and often gui remote into servers. Yes, of course you should use your GUI editor of choice if it's available. That's why I kept talking about emergency edits

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 16.11.2021 um 22:27 schrieb Joe Zeff : > > On 11/16/21 2:08 PM, Peter Boy wrote: >> You might see it yourself: K for cut, very intuitive , ^ for „Press >> key, even more intuitive. > > Back it the Old Days when nano was first developed, the standard way to > signify use of the control k

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 11/16/21 16:27, Joe Zeff wrote: On 11/16/21 2:08 PM, Peter Boy wrote: You might see it yourself: K for cut, very intuitive , ^ for „Press key, even more intuitive. Back it the Old Days when nano was first developed, the standard way to signify use of the control key was ^, which is st

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/16/21 2:08 PM, Peter Boy wrote: You might see it yourself: K for cut, very intuitive , ^ for „Press key, even more intuitive. Back it the Old Days when nano was first developed, the standard way to signify use of the control key was ^, which is still used in the various terminal prog

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 16.11.2021 um 22:02 schrieb Robert Moskowitz : > > > > On 11/16/21 15:01, Samuel Sieb wrote: >> On 11/16/21 10:18, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> F35 change from F32; may have occurred earlier. >>> >>> VI was sooo easy to use. >>> >>> Now I have to learn nano? >> >> I was using a debian o

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 16.11.2021 um 21:10 schrieb Joe Zeff : > > On 11/16/21 12:39 PM, Peter Boy wrote: >> Maybe, but you lose a lot of very powerful functionality. And instead you >> are supposed to decipher (and memorize) cryptic character combinations that >> desperately try to imitate a graphical interface

Re: F35 Xfce - rather unattractive default icons

2021-11-16 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 11/16/21 13:08, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 11/16/21 12:49, Joe Zeff wrote: On 11/16/21 7:10 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: What you can do is "dnf list available | grep icon-theme" and install a few to see if one is to your liking.  FWIW, breeze and oxygen seem to be popular. Why not just us

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 11/16/21 15:01, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 11/16/21 10:18, Robert Moskowitz wrote: F35 change from F32; may have occurred earlier. VI was sooo easy to use. Now I have to learn nano? I was using a debian or Ubuntu system and I ran "visudo".  It took me a few moments to figure out why I could

Re: [Test Week] Fedora Linux Kernel 5.15 2021-11-14 through 2021-11-21

2021-11-16 Thread murph nj
Not that the badges are the important part, they are fun, so here's a question. How does one find out if the suite was run correctly? I ran them in the past, both by running it with the .config file with my credentials, as well as putting it in the testday wiki. (I think the 5.10, or maybe earli

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/16/21 12:39 PM, Peter Boy wrote: Maybe, but you lose a lot of very powerful functionality. And instead you are supposed to decipher (and memorize) cryptic character combinations that desperately try to imitate a graphical interface. No. All commands in nano are single strokes, using th

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/16/21 10:18, Robert Moskowitz wrote: F35 change from F32; may have occurred earlier. VI was sooo easy to use. Now I have to learn nano? I was using a debian or Ubuntu system and I ran "visudo". It took me a few moments to figure out why I couldn't get out of it. I laughed at the iro

Re: F35 Xfce - rather unattractive default icons

2021-11-16 Thread Ed Greshko
On 17/11/2021 02:08, Robert Moskowitz wrote: It is noarch, and I have taken old stuff noarch in the past and it worked.  Going to have to figure out if it was in F33 or F34. It was in F33. You can download it from here https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=1550350 -- Did 황준호

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 16.11.2021 um 20:27 schrieb Joe Zeff : > > On 11/16/21 11:18 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> Now I have to learn nano? >> Old timer sheesh. > > Nano is actually easy to use. The most important commands are at the bottom > of the screen, including the one to bring up the complete list. No

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 11/16/21 10:18, Robert Moskowitz wrote: F35 change from F32; may have occurred earlier. Change in Fedora 33: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/UseNanoByDefault VI was sooo easy to use.   Now I have to learn nano? No, now new users don't have to learn to use vim.  You can set what

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/16/21 11:18 AM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Now I have to learn nano? Old timer sheesh. Nano is actually easy to use. The most important commands are at the bottom of the screen, including the one to bring up the complete list. No need to memorize anything. _

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 16.11.2021 um 19:56 schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan : > > On Tue, 2021-11-16 at 12:30 -0600, Ron Flory wrote: >> man crontab says VISUAL or EDITOR env vars may affect this. sure >> hope >> the default isn't nano now... > > IIRC the default has been nano since at least F34 and possibly earli

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 11/16/21 13:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2021-11-16 at 12:30 -0600, Ron Flory wrote: man crontab says VISUAL or EDITOR env vars may affect this.   sure hope the default isn't nano now... IIRC the default has been nano since at least F34 and possibly earlier. I don't like it eithe

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2021-11-16 at 12:30 -0600, Ron Flory wrote: > man crontab says VISUAL or EDITOR env vars may affect this.   sure > hope > the default isn't nano now... IIRC the default has been nano since at least F34 and possibly earlier. I don't like it either. poc

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Ron Flory
man crontab says VISUAL or EDITOR env vars may affect this.   sure hope the default isn't nano now... ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Code of Conduct: ht

Re: crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Jerry James
On Tue, Nov 16, 2021 at 11:19 AM Robert Moskowitz wrote: > F35 change from F32; may have occurred earlier. > > VI was sooo easy to use. > > Now I have to learn nano? > > Old timer sheesh. Uninstall the nano-default-editor package. Install the vim-default-editor package. Log out and log back in.

crontab -e now invokes nano! ARGH!!!

2021-11-16 Thread Robert Moskowitz
F35 change from F32; may have occurred earlier. VI was sooo easy to use. Now I have to learn nano? Old timer sheesh. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-le...@lists.fedoraproject.org Fedora Co

Re: F35 Xfce - rather unattractive default icons

2021-11-16 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 11/16/21 12:49, Joe Zeff wrote: On 11/16/21 7:10 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: What you can do is "dnf list available | grep icon-theme" and install a few to see if one is to your liking.  FWIW, breeze and oxygen seem to be popular. Why not just use "dnf list available icon-theme" dnf list a

Re: F35 Xfce - rather unattractive default icons

2021-11-16 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/16/21 7:10 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: What you can do is "dnf list available | grep icon-theme" and install a few to see if one is to your liking.  FWIW, breeze and oxygen seem to be popular. Why not just use "dnf list available icon-theme" ___ us

Re: plantronics blackwire 3310 in F33 workstation

2021-11-16 Thread Anil Felipe Duggirala
On Mon, Nov 15, 2021, at 5:06 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > It's a USB sound device sampling an analog source (your microphone). A > digital input would be something like SPDIF. Thanks Samuel. That makes it clearer to me, now I just need to find out what SPDIF is and how different input devices fall

Re: F35 Xfce - rather unattractive default icons

2021-11-16 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 11/16/21 09:10, Ed Greshko wrote: On 16/11/2021 21:23, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 11/15/21 23:40, Ed Greshko wrote: On 16/11/2021 10:26, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Anyway, I have been digging around and have not found anyway to select other icons.  Pointers? Applications--->Settings--

Re: F35 Xfce - rather unattractive default icons

2021-11-16 Thread Ed Greshko
On 16/11/2021 21:23, Robert Moskowitz wrote: On 11/15/21 23:40, Ed Greshko wrote: On 16/11/2021 10:26, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Anyway, I have been digging around and have not found anyway to select other icons.  Pointers? Applications--->Settings--->Appearance (And there is an icon ta

Re: F35 Xfce - rather unattractive default icons

2021-11-16 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 11/15/21 23:40, Ed Greshko wrote: On 16/11/2021 10:26, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Anyway, I have been digging around and have not found anyway to select other icons.  Pointers? Applications--->Settings--->Appearance (And there is an icon tab) There it is!  Thanks Ed. Looks like Adw

Re: NVIDIA Legacy drivers

2021-11-16 Thread Ed Greshko
On 16/11/2021 13:39, Robert McBroom via users wrote: On 11/15/21 17:34, Ed Greshko wrote: On 16/11/2021 06:15, Robert McBroom via users wrote: On 11/15/21 15:06, John Pilkington wrote: On 15/11/2021 17:03, Robert McBroom via users wrote: Haven't tried rpmfusion in a long time as patches or u

Re: Learning btrfs

2021-11-16 Thread Michal Schorm
There shouldn't be much difference from any other fstab entry for btrfs mount. Take a look at 'man fstab' [1]. I think it is well described there with examples. First field marks WHAT should be mounted Second field marks WHERE it should be mounted (what is the patch to the mountpoint) Third field