Re: Repeated segfaults in F17

2012-10-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/09/2012 01:46 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 19:16 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/08/2012 02:15 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 09:46 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/08/2012 04:38 AM, Temlakos wrote: Beginning about an hour

Re: Repeated segfaults in F17

2012-10-08 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/08/2012 02:15 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2012-10-08 at 09:46 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/08/2012 04:38 AM, Temlakos wrote: Beginning about an hour ago, I've been hit with a ton of application terminations. All of them say the same thing: "Signal 11 (SI

Re: Repeated segfaults in F17

2012-10-08 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/08/2012 04:38 AM, Temlakos wrote: Beginning about an hour ago, I've been hit with a ton of application terminations. All of them say the same thing: "Signal 11 (SIGSEGV). Which I believe translates as "Signal segmentation violation." In addition to what others already wrote, check if you

Re: Why graphics drivers are proprietary

2012-10-03 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/03/2012 11:55 AM, jdow wrote: On 2012/10/03 02:01, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Tuesday, 2. October 2012. 18.52.10 jdow wrote: How about government funding? There is a tried&tested scenario used for some time now all over the world, say in science. For example: Then you get what the gov

Re: update my fedora computers from my own server.

2012-08-31 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/31/2012 03:05 PM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: On 08/30/2012 10:35 PM, Edward M wrote: I'm wondering, if is possible to setup a fedora 17 rsync,etc server, download new fedora 17 bugs/security updates to it, then update my fedora 17 computers from my fedora 17 rsync, etc server, so this way i

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-06-01 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/01/2012 02:53 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Fri, Jun 01, 2012 at 04:28:01AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: No, but it sounds like a kernel panic. In my case, it was an obvious kernel panic. AFAIS, the cause was running a Fedora 16 kernel underneath of Fedora 17. Preupgrade (rsp. yum and

Re: Problem shutting down laptop...

2012-05-31 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/31/2012 04:56 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Darryl L. Pierce wrote: I did the preupgrade yesterday on three machines without issue. On my laptop, though, I'm having a problem with shutting the laptop down now. It's a Lenovo W510+ and, during the shutdown process, when it switches to text

Re: F15 : Flash not working on firefox 12

2012-05-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/11/2012 07:22 AM, antonio montagnani wrote: I had a few similar issues withn 32-bit also, but after upgrading to 235 it is o.k. I just gave *.235 a try on the x86_64 - No success. Still the same crash on the zdf URL as before. Ralf -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org T

Re: F15 : Flash not working on firefox 12

2012-05-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/11/2012 01:10 AM, Wilfredo Porta wrote: What seems to be the issue? Please explain a little bit more. Also, please give your flash-plugin version. For me, since the upgrade to firefox 12, when accessing certain sites, which are using flash, firefox freezes for "some time" (ca. 1min), the

Re: Cross compiling on x86_64 to pentium4

2012-04-19 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/19/2012 04:59 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I need to build a program on an x86_64 system to run on an old laptop, which uses a pentium4. What's the most convenient way to build this on a Fedora-16 system? Package your program as an rpm and build the rpm using mock. Ralf -- users mailing

Re: Filesystem arch changes in Fedora 17

2012-04-18 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/17/2012 07:39 PM, Alan Rodas wrote: Hello everybody, I'm new to this list, although I have been using Fedora for a little while now. As I finally decided to adopt Fedora as my main linux OS I decided that it was time to join this list. I would like to ask about the changes in the FS for th

Re: F16 Help with find.

2012-04-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/05/2012 09:31 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: Error from logwatch: find: paths must precede expression: (-name Usage: find [-H] [-L] [-P] [-Olevel] [-D help|tree|search|stat|rates|opt|exec] [path...] [expression] find /nfs/yum/16/i386/_local/packages -type f ! \(-name 'autoplus*' -o Try adding a

Re: Mobile 'ish Desktop (Read GNOME 3) vs Traditional Desktop (Read KDE)

2012-04-03 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/03/2012 11:47 AM, Junayeed Ahnaf Nirjhor wrote: Well, Which one do you prefer? And Why? This "either/or" and this "one size fits all" notion behind it doesn't make actual sense. There are use cases where what you call "Mobilish Desktops" are better suitable and there are use-case wh

Re: error in building a RPM file

2012-03-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/22/2012 05:29 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Hi, One other thing I noticed is the use of `make install-strip`. RPM will strip the debugging symbols for you and create a debuginfo package, which might be useful someday if^H^Hwhen it crashes, so you should probably just `make install` here.

Re: Alsa-utils update broken

2012-02-18 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/15/2012 06:00 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 13:10:00 +0100, RC (Ralf) wrote: [...] Playing down the issues and to wipe them under the carpet doesn't help anybody. Who's "playing down the issues"? Don't make up such things Well, as I read your response, you have been a

Re: Alsa-utils update broken

2012-02-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/15/2012 12:12 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 10:29:19 +0100, RC (Ralf) wrote: Wasn't this kind of bugs supposed to be caught by AutoQA? It caught it, https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-1132/alsa-utils-1.0.25-7.fc16 but obviously only after the aut

Re: Alsa-utils update broken

2012-02-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/15/2012 09:46 AM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:53:54 +0100, RC (Ralf) wrote: On 02/14/2012 10:28 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:21:05 +0100, HD (Heinz) wrote: Hi, seems like alsa-lib update is broken, does anybody see the same with F16? *sigh* h

Re: Alsa-utils update broken

2012-02-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/14/2012 10:28 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 22:21:05 +0100, HD (Heinz) wrote: Hi, seems like alsa-lib update is broken, does anybody see the same with F16? *sigh* https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2012-1025/alsa-lib-1.0.25-1.fc16 Guess there isn't any

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

2012-02-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/09/2012 02:13 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Thu, Feb 09, 2012 at 05:10:40 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Unless things will fundamentally change with the way this usrmove stuff is implemented or FESCO reconsiders their mistake, you likely won't be able to yum-upgrade to it. yum up

Re: Yum and Fedora 16

2012-02-08 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 02/08/2012 11:17 PM, David wrote: On 2/8/2012 3:51 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: I'm hoping that by the time Fedora 17 is ready, most, if not all of these issues will be corrected and that things will be back to normal. In closing, I'd just like to point out that there are very few threads about inst

Re: F16 - a good experience

2011-12-30 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/30/2011 07:00 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/30/2011 08:51 AM, Patrick Lists wrote: Luckily the frippery extensions and some other good stuff on extensions.gnome.org allow me to mimick GNOME2 pretty well. Doesn't it bother anybody else here that many people have to use a bunch of third-party

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-23 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/23/2011 11:16 AM, Michael Leung wrote: But now SSD is a kind of luxury for myself. I think when SSD drops to the level you don't think that is a luxury goods, then that is a time to buy. Well, this certainly applies if consider SSDs as replacements for big, 100s of GB-sized, HDDs".

Re: Buy an SSD now, or wait?

2011-12-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/22/2011 04:08 PM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote: I just wondered if anyone here has had any experience in using SSDs in general, and with Fedora in particular? I just did that on a gradually aging system and am deeply impressed about a "subjective performance boost" in "desktop usage". It

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/22/2011 10:06 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: On 22.12.2011 07:27, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/21/2011 11:10 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: I would call it a functional regression having been introduce during by the sysvinit/upstart->systemd transition. If it has not been BZ'd before, it s

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/22/2011 08:27 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/21/2011 11:10 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: I would call it a functional regression having been introduce during by the sysvinit/upstart->systemd transition. If it has not been BZ'd before, it should be BZ'ed. I wouldn't mind being

Re: /var/log/messages

2011-12-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/22/2011 08:00 AM, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 20:04 +, Frank Murphy wrote: http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2011-December/410018.html Begs the question: Has this no-logging become a new default, or just a fault? I would call it a functional regression having be

F16: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed

2011-12-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
Hi, Since having upgraded to F16 from F14, I am drowning in messages similar to the one below on the console (corrupting any console output) [ 1400.353433] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Asking for cache data failed [ 1400.356601] sd 4:0:0:0: [sdb] Assuming drive cache: write through accompanied by a mess

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/21/2011 02:15 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning. Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-suc

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/21/2011 07:54 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:53 AM, charles zeitler wrote: Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning. Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft http:/

Re: ld finds some libraries, but not others.

2011-12-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/15/2011 09:06 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: A build is failing with the error cannot find for libraries that are, in fact present on the system. I made a very simple test bed, consisting of the empty file conftest.c, which I attempt to compile and link with various libraries. All the libra

Re: abrtd - how to remove

2011-12-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/13/2011 03:26 PM, Alan Cox wrote: On Tue, 13 Dec 2011 07:57:54 -0500 Genes MailLists wrote: I just had the lovely experience of abrt trying to be helpful - a GUI crash - and wanting to download 1.2 GB of debuginfo files including things it quite obviously (to a human) does not need.

Re: Thunderbird - Disappearing Characters

2011-12-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/09/2011 01:32 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 12/09/2011 01:16 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 12/09/2011 07:29 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> On 12/09/2011 12:14 PM, mike cloaked wrote: >>>> Although I use Thunderbird (8 and 9) I don't use Chinese chars - but

Re: Thunderbird - Disappearing Characters

2011-12-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/09/2011 01:16 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 12/09/2011 07:29 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> On 12/09/2011 12:14 PM, mike cloaked wrote: >>> Although I use Thunderbird (8 and 9) I don't use Chinese chars - but >>> I do have a rendering problem that is quite frustr

Re: Thunderbird - Disappearing Characters

2011-12-09 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/09/2011 12:14 PM, mike cloaked wrote: > On Fri, Dec 9, 2011 at 4:24 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 12/09/2011 12:16 PM, Craig White wrote: But, I do hope that all this doesn't result in a tangent to the original > question. >>> > > Although I use Thunderbird (8 and 9) I don't use

Re: FC16 newbe questions

2011-12-08 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/08/2011 03:30 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Thursday 08 December 2011 09:10:54 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > And of course, you can always forgive&forget&switch to XFCE, KDE or LXDE. ;-) This is what I would recommend to the OP. Gnome 3 is so far away from Classic XP, he'd have to go through

Re: The Linus view of GNOME 3.2

2011-12-02 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/03/2011 04:10 AM, Craig White wrote: > On Sat, 2011-12-03 at 10:41 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 12/03/2011 09:38 AM, Craig White wrote: >>> Whatever Linus thinks of Gnome is rather beside the point in that he is >>> a kernel developer, not a Desktop UI expert and I am rather amused by >>> t

Re: penta-booting hard-disk: who would administer the hard-disk office?

2011-11-25 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/25/2011 05:04 PM, g wrote: >> On 11/25/2011 07:04 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > <> > >> I.e. I have a "master grub" /boot partition, which chainloads indivdual >> "boot" partitions of other OSes. >> >> I.e. my partitioning basicall

Re: penta-booting hard-disk: who would administer the hard-disk office?

2011-11-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/24/2011 06:07 PM, Chris Tyler wrote: > On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 11:48 -0500, Linux Tyro wrote: >> Hi, >> >> As I have liked Linux (yes, I am windows convert), so with 2 GB RAM >> and 250 GB hard-disk, I am now going to make hard-disk penta boot as >> follows:- >> >> Fedora - 20 GB - installing i

Re: mount command absurdly verbose?

2011-11-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/22/2011 04:09 PM, Andras Simon wrote: > 2011/11/22, Ralf Corsepius: >> On 11/22/2011 01:57 PM, Andras Simon wrote: > > [...] > >>> I use df. >> >> Not that much better: >> >> Real world example: >> >> $ df >> Fil

Re: mount command absurdly verbose?

2011-11-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/22/2011 01:57 PM, Andras Simon wrote: > 2011/11/22, Timothy Murphy: >> Does anyone agree with me that the mount command >> (when used simply to get information) >> has become absurdly verbose? > > Absolutely! > >> I only use this command to determine >> what hard disks are mounted. >> Now I h

Re: F15 to F16 upgrade via DVD does not recognize previous installation

2011-11-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/15/2011 04:04 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Greg Woods wrote: > >>> I may be getting hit by bug 748119 >>> >>> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=748119 >>> >>> as my /var is mounted on a different filesystem than / >> >> I have the same issue, and my /var is also mounted on a sepa

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/15/2011 12:23 AM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Joe Zeff said: >> On 11/14/2011 02:51 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> Anaconda's "custom partitioning" did not allow me to partion the >>> partions as I had wanted to. >> >

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/15/2011 12:07 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 11/14/2011 02:51 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> Anaconda's "custom partitioning" did not allow me to partion the >> partions as I had wanted to. > > Have you reported this as a bug? Not yet. > If not, why not? -

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/14/2011 11:07 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: > On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 01:59:38PM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 11/14/2011 01:49 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> I have to repeat: F16's anaconda's partitioning GUI does not allow you >>> to do so. >> >

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/14/2011 08:05 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 11/14/2011 04:08 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> (Hey. I never wanted /home to be /dev/sdb3 but want it to be on /dev/sdb6.) > > So use a custom partitioning scheme and set it that way. I have to repeat: F16's anaconda's partitioni

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/14/2011 12:40 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 11/14/2011 04:23 PM, Ralf b wrote: > >> This at least was what distros had used swap for for a long time and is >> the reason for me to keep separate swaps for each installation. >> >> May-be things have changed? > > In the past, people absolutely

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/14/2011 09:01 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 11/14/2011 03:44 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 11/13/2011 09:29 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> The first issue was anaconda lumping together the swap partitions of the >>> other linux installations, I have installed in paral

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/13/2011 05:35 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Ralf Corsepius writes: > >> On 11/13/2011 03:45 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 07:15:20 +, >> > JB wrote: >> >> >> >> every Fedora release is going downhill ... &g

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/13/2011 03:45 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 07:15:20 +, >JB wrote: >> >> every Fedora release is going downhill ... > If you are referring to quality, I disagree that they are going downhill. Well, having spent most of this weekend with installing F16, I don'

Re: Dennis Ritchie

2011-10-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/13/2011 04:54 PM, Peter A wrote: > On Thursday, October 13, 2011 10:50:40 AM Digimer wrote: >> On 10/13/2011 10:41 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> On 10/13/2011 07:44 PM, Leonardo wrote: where do we vote for this name for the next release? >>> >>> Fedora 17 name has already been voted upon

Re: Battery Status Errors

2011-10-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/07/2011 04:38 PM, Richard Hughes wrote: > On 7 October 2011 14:56, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> I am facing this kind of error for quite a while: >> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=609081 >> So far, no fix in sight. > > There's a workaround. Use: >

Re: Battery Status Errors

2011-10-07 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/07/2011 04:54 AM, Keith Clark wrote: > Hi everyone. I'm new to Fedora and seem to be having an issue with my > battery status on my laptop. My laptop battery is still in fair shape > and lasts about an hour and a half on other operating systems. > > I see by the battery icon when I'm plugge

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-29 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/30/2011 03:59 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 09/30/2011 01:04 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> >> i answered to "As a contributor, one real problem for me is the >> amount of noise one has to filter through to get any meaningful >> feedback" which came from a contributor which did NOT understand

Re: Is Meego desktop available in Fedora 15?

2011-09-29 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/29/2011 05:58 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 09/29/2011 09:22 PM, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: >> Is Meego desktop available in Fedora 15? If it is how can I install >> it? I tried few yum searches, but didn't find it. > > It is not available. Meego as a project seems more focused on pro

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/29/2011 03:06 AM, Craig White wrote: > On Wed, 2011-09-28 at 14:12 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> On 09/28/2011 01:37 PM, Craig White wrote: >> >>> Those who are unwilling or unprepared to use leading edge software, >>> still under development should probab

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/29/2011 03:29 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 16:26:44 +0200 > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >> On 09/28/2011 03:42 PM, Alan Cox wrote: >> >>> yum groupinstall "XFCE" >>> set your desktop at gdm Remark: I am still using F14 as regu

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/28/2011 02:43 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 10:30:34PM +0100, Terry Barnaby wrote: >> I don't use Gnome myself, mainly KDE. >> But its seems like a lot of people would like Gnome2 back. Why doesn't >> someone, >> who has a problem with it just rebuild and release Gnom

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/28/2011 03:42 PM, Alan Cox wrote: > yum groupinstall "XFCE" > set your desktop at gdm - EFAIL screensaver - EFAIL set desktop background - EFAIL terminal sizing (Fix lingering in testing) - Sporadic -EFAIL restoring desktop. > End of problem Start of new problems ;) Ralf -- users maili

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/28/2011 01:37 PM, Craig White wrote: > Those who are unwilling or unprepared to use leading edge software, > still under development should probably be using something stable like > RHEL, CentOS, Scientific Linux, Ubuntu LTS, Debian or something other > than Fedora. Pardon, I had not intende

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-27 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/27/2011 05:43 PM, Nalin Dahyabhai wrote: > On Tue, Sep 27, 2011 at 05:34:25PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> Yes, RHAT is Red Hat's stock exchange short cut. > > Not for a few years now. It's been RHT since late in 2006. OK, I stay corrected. What

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-27 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/27/2011 05:00 PM, Ian Malone wrote: > On 27 September 2011 14:37, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >> Because the Gnome devs are preferring not to listen to their former >> users' complaints and prefer to furtherly isolate themselves in their >> "devine ivory cathe

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-27 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/27/2011 03:09 PM, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 09/27/2011 12:01 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> On 09/27/2011 11:59 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: >>> On 09/26/2011 11:59 PM, Roger wrote: >>>> On 26/09/11 19:38, Andrew Haley wrote: >>>>> On 09/22/2011 02:1

Re: Developers responsibillity to Fedora Users

2011-09-27 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 09/27/2011 11:59 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 09/26/2011 11:59 PM, Roger wrote: >> On 26/09/11 19:38, Andrew Haley wrote: >>> On 09/22/2011 02:15 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: Alan Cox is exactly right that the users of Fedora products get them free and one can make a strong case that there

Re: GNOME 2 on Fedora 15

2011-08-29 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 08/29/2011 06:38 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 08/29/2011 09:32 PM, Tim wrote: >> On Mon, 2011-08-29 at 15:15 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> Note that GNOME 2.x won't get any security updates which might be >>> something you need to keep in mind. This is part of the reason that >>> Fedora a

Re: Gnome 3 ~ Windows 8?

2011-07-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/14/2011 09:53 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik > wrote: >> Tim wrote: > Now, back to what I said earlier. YOU, the Linux user, have a CHOICE > of desktop/window managers. > YOU should avail yourself of this > feature. If you want to 'resure

Re: Gnome 3 ~ Windows 8?

2011-07-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/13/2011 08:54 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 13 Jul 2011 16:04:12 + (UTC) > JB wrote: > >> Some of these Ubuntu and Unity frustrated users are so clueless that they >> seek >> a remedy by wanting to move to Fedora ... >> There are some wolves waiting for them: GNOME 3, systemd, ... :-)

Re: spaceballs

2011-07-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/06/2011 07:31 AM, g wrote: > so if you are interested in a 3d mouse, which really is not a *ball*, > even tho called such, Earlier DLR/3DConnexion "space mouses" looked like balls on a pole. Ca. 6-8 cms/2-3 inches in diameter, looking a bit like an oversized "golfball on a tee on a display

Re: spaceballs...

2011-07-05 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/06/2011 06:22 AM, DJ Delorie wrote: > > g writes: > >>> It would be nice to be able to *rotate* the ball, or push it in >>> various directions, etc. But only if there's a sane mapping to X >>> events. >> >> *roll* would be a better description than 'rotate'. > > Not at all, since I'm talkin

Re: Paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3

2011-06-22 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/22/2011 02:12 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > On 06/22/2011 01:09 PM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: >> But does Fedora 15 "require high end hardware"? No, it doesn't. You can >> run other desktops, such as XFCE (which you mention as well), and still >> run all of the same apps. >> >> So while Gnome 3 m

Re: Paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3

2011-06-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/20/2011 11:00 PM, Alexander Volovics wrote: > On Mon, Jun 20, 2011 at 12:57:24PM -0600, Stuart McGraw wrote: > >> On 06/20/2011 09:44 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > >>> There is a paradigm shift going from Gnome2 to Gnome3 which I have not >>> seen discussed on this list. > >> I too noted the mou

Re: systemd discussion

2011-06-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 06/16/2011 12:13 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 15 Jun 2011 19:39:38 + (UTC) > JB wrote: > >> There are people on test and user lists who are afraid to even touch F15 ... >> and the reasons are systemd, GNOME 3, etc. Things called "progress" ... Well, I am "sufficiently impressed" by F15

Re: Yum update from Fedora 14 -> 15 WARNING!

2011-05-30 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 05/30/2011 04:00 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2011-05-30 at 09:11 +0100, n2xssvv.g02gfr12930 wrote: >> To anyone trying to upgrade from Fedora 14 to Fedora 15, DON'T EVEN >> TRY!!! I've just tried and have had numerous problems, finally resulting >> in being unable to boot up any ker

Re: rawhide -> fedora 15

2011-04-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/15/2011 02:15 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >> F15's current status can be found under: >> http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/development/15/ > > How exactly is this interpreted? > There are many packages, but no

Re: rawhide -> fedora 15

2011-04-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/15/2011 08:51 AM, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: > When Fedora 15 repo will branch off from rawhide? Or is fedora 15 repo > already available? > F15 has long been branched from rawhide. F15's current status can be found under: http://download.fedora.redhat.com/pub/fedora/linux/development

Re: Separate /usr partition

2011-04-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/14/2011 08:12 PM, Mike McCarty wrote: > Vaclav Mocek wrote: >> Well, ldd confirms that it is an urban legend. > > On my system ldd is in /usr/bin, not /bin ldd an analysis tool (Print shared library dependencies). It isn't needed for booting. The actual dynamic linker is ld.so (located in /

Re: Separate /usr partition

2011-04-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/14/2011 03:10 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > On 04/14/2011 01:58 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> On 04/14/2011 02:01 PM, Vaclav Mocek wrote: >>> On 03/10/2011 05:08 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >>>> Kam Leo wrote: >>>>> It probably has less to

Re: Separate /usr partition

2011-04-14 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 04/14/2011 02:01 PM, Vaclav Mocek wrote: > On 03/10/2011 05:08 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >> Kam Leo wrote: >>> It probably has less to do with the boot process and more with disto >>> upgrading; i.e. less likely that user files get clobbered if /usr is >>> separate. >> Nope. It has everythi

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-29 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/29/2011 02:29 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 04:38:33 +0200 > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >>> Perhaps "control+shift+n" ? >> Yeah, ... this finally did it. >> >> But note how long it took to find this out - IMO, it proves Gnome

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-29 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/29/2011 08:53 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 07:08:58 +0200 > Ralf Corsepius wrote: > >> On 03/29/2011 05:48 AM, suvayu ali wrote: >>> On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Ralf >>> Corsepius wrote: >>>>> Perhaps "

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/29/2011 07:17 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 03/29/2011 01:08 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> In Gnome3 such a UI doesn't exist, users are being forced to dig into >> keyboard short cuts == Lack of usability. > > Seeing as F15 is "alpha" maybe it would be helpfu

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/29/2011 05:48 AM, suvayu ali wrote: > On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 7:38 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> Perhaps "control+shift+n" ? >> Yeah, ... this finally did it. >> >> But note how long it took to find this out - IMO, it proves Gnome3's >>

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/28/2011 10:01 PM, Steven P. Ulrick wrote: >> On 03/21/2011 09:14 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >>> On 03/21/2011 10:07 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>>> * Try to open 2 side-by-side terminals on Fedora 15's Gnome 3: >>>> I haven't managed to do so,

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-28 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/22/2011 05:14 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 03/21/2011 09:14 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 03/21/2011 10:07 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> * Try to open 2 side-by-side terminals on Fedora 15's Gnome 3: >>> I haven't managed to do so, yet. >> >

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/21/2011 09:14 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 03/21/2011 10:07 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> * Try to open 2 side-by-side terminals on Fedora 15's Gnome 3: >> I haven't managed to do so, yet. > > Right click - New window or control+shift+t if you are using GNOM

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/21/2011 06:18 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Ralf Corsepius said: >> * Try to open 2 side-by-side terminals on Fedora 15's Gnome 3: >> I haven't managed to do so, yet. > > Really? Yes, I am absolutely serious: I haven't found any possibil

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/21/2011 04:15 PM, James McKenzie wrote: > On 3/21/11, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> On 03/21/2011 11:34 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: >>> I can see the logic in that, but it's a shame. If everyone who wants >>> a bit of user interface stability jumps ship there wi

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/21/2011 11:34 AM, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 19/03/11 05:21, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 03/18/2011 10:15 PM, Chris Kloiber wrote: >>> I may have to skip F15, which saddens me. >> >> Why? If Gnome 3 is in F 15, it's going to be in 16 as well. Just move >> to a different desktop, like XFCE. ... or a

Re: How to compile a soft same as the version realeased by fedora?

2011-03-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/20/2011 07:16 PM, JD wrote: > On 03/20/2011 03:57 AM, GeeKer Wang wrote: >> So, there must be other reasons. >> >> My version gets a XLIB problem. When I run "osgview cow.osg", the >> window is transparent. >> I must execute "export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1" before it becoms normal. >> >> How

Re: How to compile a soft same as the version realeased by fedora?

2011-03-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/20/2011 11:57 AM, GeeKer Wang wrote: > So, there must be other reasons. > > My version gets a XLIB problem. Nobody but you knows "your version", so nobody will be able to help. > When I run "osgview cow.osg", the window is > transparent. > I must execute "export XLIB_SKIP_ARGB_VISUALS=1" bef

Re: How to compile a soft same as the version realeased by fedora?

2011-03-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/20/2011 11:09 AM, GeeKer Wang wrote: > Thanks, > I tried it as you said, >cd rpmbuild/SPEC >rpmbuild -bb OpenSceneGraph.spec > > the total size of this version is 2.7G, a little smaller than previous-built > version but much larger than fedora-repo version. > Maybe it's -g option that

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-19 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/19/2011 10:45 AM, JB wrote: > Ralf Corsepius freenet.de> writes: > >> >> On 03/18/2011 10:15 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >>> Tom Horsley wrote: >>>> Yea - start a different branch of gnome or kde (or something new) >>>> and see which

Re: [OT Humor] "Obviously designed by morons"

2011-03-18 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/18/2011 10:15 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Tom Horsley wrote: >> Yea - start a different branch of gnome or kde (or something new) >> and see which one people install the most:-). > > You mean... XFCE? Or... LXDE? ... or Enlightenment (the one people claim > is holy water)? In longer term

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-11 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/11/2011 09:13 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On Fri, Mar 11, 2011 at 09:39, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >> On 03/11/2011 07:28 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: >>> Please point to any RPM package that uses non-ASCII characters in the >>> package name, from any repo. >> You hardl

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/11/2011 07:28 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > Please point to any RPM package that uses non-ASCII characters in the > package name, from any repo. You hardly will find any, because probably all rpm-based distros apply rules similar to that of Fedora (e.g. SUSE does as well) and because people tryi

Re: problems getting yum to see latest available updates

2011-03-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/10/2011 01:43 PM, Geoffrey Smith wrote: > Hello, > > First time here - thanks in advance for any advice. > > We are running an older fc11 system and are having yum problems. > Trying to update openssl, and the rpm that we need > (openssl-0.9.8k-1.fc11.x86_64.rpm) exists for download, but when

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-10 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/10/2011 09:17 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: > On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 15:53, Alan Cox wrote: >>> Not true. Computers treat the two cases as separate characters because >>> there is no mechanism of having different versions of the same >>> character. However, humans treat the two cases as two forms o

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-08 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/08/2011 05:53 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Tue, 8 Mar 2011, Fernando Cassia wrote: > >> On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Tim wrote: >>> But that's hardly a >>> justification for wanting case sensitive file systems. >> >> OMG you're questioning one of the pilars of the *nix religion!! >> >

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-08 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/08/2011 12:49 PM, Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2011-03-08 at 08:17 -0200, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> >> Does Red Hat allow two packages with the same name, but different >> capitalization?. I rest my case. > > I can't say that I've ever seen any valid reason for filename case > sensitivity. Well did

Re: Any Fedora that would run SANE/SSHD on an ancient 486sx with 8MB RAM?

2011-03-08 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/08/2011 10:36 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > I wonder if there's any Fedora (1.0? :) that would run on a 486sx-33 > system with 8MB of RAM. Short answer: No. Longer answer: Early Fedoras had memory demands in the order of 64MB RAM (I did run Fedora on i586's with 64MB RAM), current ones are

Re: Any arguments for keeping Yum case-sensitive?

2011-03-08 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/08/2011 11:17 AM, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Tue, Mar 8, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote: >> I don't see people aguing for making yum (and other commands) cope with >> misspelt things; case sensitivity is the same issue. > > I disagree strongly. Misspelt package names is not the same

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