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From: st...@stevesearle.com >Richard, you appear to keep sending emails to the list with the text >portion containing no content. No, they have content on them, he's just not sending them as HTML mail instead of Plain Text. == Josh Johnston fedoraj...@outlookc.om

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On Thu, May 02, 2013 at 01:01:13PM +0100, Steve Searle wrote: > Around 10:40pm on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 (UK time), > richard.vicker...@gmail.com scrawled: > > > > Richard, you appear to keep sending emails to the list with the text > portion containing no content. I appreciate that this may be

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Around 10:40pm on Wednesday, May 01, 2013 (UK time), richard.vicker...@gmail.com scrawled: > Richard, you appear to keep sending emails to the list with the text portion containing no content. I appreciate that this may be done to please those who are fed up with what you do write, but perhaps y

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Am 01.05.2013 23:41, schrieb richard.vicker...@gmail.com: > *From: *Reindl Harald > *Sent: *Wednesday, May 1, 2013 3:15 AM > *To: *users@lists.fedoraproject.org > *Reply To: *Community support for Fedora users > *Subject: *Re: "hackers" > > Am 01.05.2013 06:43, sch

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.From: Reindl HaraldSent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 3:15 AMTo: users@lists.fedoraproject.orgReply To: Community support for Fedora usersSubject: Re: "hackers"Am 01.05.2013 06:43, schrieb Richard Vicker

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.From: Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.Sent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 12:27 PMTo: Community support for Fedora usersReply To: Community support for Fedora usersSubject: Re: "hackers" On 04/30/2013 03

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.From: Reindl HaraldSent: Wednesday, May 1, 2013 3:15 AMTo: users@lists.fedoraproject.orgReply To: Community support for Fedora usersSubject: Re: "hackers"Am 01.05.2013 06:43, schrieb Richard Vicker

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Please help us maintain the sanity of the list, so we don't have to moderate. "So Let It Be Written...So Let It Be Done!"(Sorry..I couldn't resist!...LoL!) This useless, derogatory thread engages my [Delete] Button -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe o

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On 05/01/2013 11:55 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:14:51PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 01.05.2013 06:43, schrieb Richard Vickery: On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Timmailto:ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au>> wrote: Allegedly, on or about 30 April 2013, Ri

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On 04/30/2013 03:23 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/30/2013 12:11 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: The line "I've been hacked" sounds like the author either doesn't know how to speak or ought to get out of computers because said person doesn't know how to code. Language changes. Either keep up, or find y

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to do with: "Community Support For Fedora Users"?? Thomas Dineen If you do shut it down, and don't want to hear about the topic, then can we PLEASE clean up our language around hacking, hackers, and "I've been hacked"? Actually, this is not a questio

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On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 12:14:51PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 01.05.2013 06:43, schrieb Richard Vickery: > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Tim > > wrote: > > > > Allegedly, on or about 30 April 2013, Richard Vickery sent: > > > I have no clue

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> I have good reasons to express myself in the manner that I do; reasons that > you probably don't want anything to do > with, much less hear about. In this context, much of it has to do with that > you all want to shit on me rather than > work with me. Maybe we'd be more willing to work with y

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Am 01.05.2013 07:39, schrieb Richard Vickery: > > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Joe Zeff > wrote: > > On 04/30/2013 09:43 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: > > I'm just going to guess, Tim, that you are a little more intelligent > than your reply le

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Am 01.05.2013 06:43, schrieb Richard Vickery: > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Tim > wrote: > > Allegedly, on or about 30 April 2013, Richard Vickery sent: > > I have no clue what the term "I've been hacked" means. > > Then you'd have to be ab

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On 04/30/2013 10:43 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: and your collective memory is so short it's amazing, cutting off the text that I was replying to. I trimmed off that text because it wasn't relevant to my point. What was relevant is that you were replying in a way guaranteed to fan the flames i

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:39 PM, Richard Vickery < richard.vicker...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > >> On 04/30/2013 09:43 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: >> >>> I'm just going to guess, Tim, that you are a little more intelligent >>> than your reply let

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Richard Vickery: >> I have no clue what the term "I've been hacked" means. Tim: >> Then you'd have to be about the only one working with computers who >> cannot comprehend what the person meant when they wrote that: some >> form of unauthorised alteration of their data. addendum

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 10:02 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 04/30/2013 09:43 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: > >> I'm just going to guess, Tim, that you are a little more intelligent >> than your reply lets on, and that you can actually understand the >> meaning behind "I have no clue what the term 'I've b

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Quoting Alan Evans : Richard Vickery wrote: Tim wrote: Richard Vickery wrote: > I have no clue what the term "I've been hacked" means. Then you'd have to be about the only one working with computers who cannot comprehend what the person meant when they wrote that: some form of unauthorised

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On 04/30/2013 09:43 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: I'm just going to guess, Tim, that you are a little more intelligent than your reply lets on, and that you can actually understand the meaning behind "I have no clue what the term 'I've been hacked' means". No one can be that stupid, can you? You m

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Richard Vickery wrote: > Tim wrote: > >> Richard Vickery wrote: >> > I have no clue what the term "I've been hacked" means. >> >> Then you'd have to be about the only one working with computers who >> cannot comprehend what the person meant when they wrote that: some form >> of unauthorised alter

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 8:23 PM, Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 30 April 2013, Richard Vickery sent: > > I have no clue what the term "I've been hacked" means. > > Then you'd have to be about the only one working with computers who > cannot comprehend what the person meant when they wrote th

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Allegedly, on or about 30 April 2013, Richard Vickery sent: > I have no clue what the term "I've been hacked" means. Then you'd have to be about the only one working with computers who cannot comprehend what the person meant when they wrote that: some form of unauthorised alteration of their data

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or Fedora users > > *Subject: *Re: "hackers" > > > > > > On 04/30/2013 01:33 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: > >> > >> > >> Respectfully, you are not the rest of the world, you are Fedora > >> programmers. Let me deal with the idiots

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Am 30.04.2013 23:56, schrieb richard.vicker...@gmail.com: > *From: *Joe Zeff > *Sent: *Tuesd ay, April 30, 2013 1:41 PM > *To: *Community support for Fedora users > *Reply To: *Community support for Fedora users > *Subject: *Re: "hackers" > > > On 04/30/20

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Am 30.04.2013 23:52, schrieb richard.vicker...@gmail.com: > Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone. > > *From: *Reindl Harald > *Sent: *Tuesday, April 30, 2013 1:53 PM > *To: *users@lists.fedoraproject.org > > this thread is bull**t at all > I could say something about the group and these attack

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Fedora usersReply To: Community support for Fedora usersSubject: Re: "hackers"On 04/30/2013 01:33 PM, Richard Vickery wrote:>>> Respectfully, you are not the rest of the world, you are Fedora> programmers. Let me deal with the idiots in the political world.By calling them &qu

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lines that you have deleted, Joe, read that I would drop it so long as you use the term respectfully, especially in here among hackers. Did you miss this? I didn't feel that it was relevant to my reply. My point is that it doesn't matter if you drop it or

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t; as you use the term respectfully, especially in here among hackers. > Did > you miss this? > > I didn't feel that it was relevant to my reply. My point is that it > doesn't matter if you drop it or continue > to complain about it because as

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On 04/30/2013 01:33 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: Respectfully, you are not the rest of the world, you are Fedora programmers. Let me deal with the idiots in the political world. By calling them "idiots?" -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription o

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On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 04/30/2013 12:39 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: > >> The lines that you have deleted, Joe, read that I would drop it so long >> as you use the term respectfully, especially in here among hackers. Did >> you miss this? >

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This is just the f**king internet, not the political world. I'm asking for your help to just clean it up in here; as a political scientist, let me deal with the rest of the world. Can you help me? or are you going to continue a blockade? On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 12:44 PM, David wrote: > On 4/30/

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On 04/30/2013 12:39 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: The lines that you have deleted, Joe, read that I would drop it so long as you use the term respectfully, especially in here among hackers. Did you miss this? I didn't feel that it was relevant to my reply. My point is that it doesn't

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On 04/30/2013 12:44 PM, David wrote: On 4/30/2013 3:23 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >Language changes. Either keep up, or find yourself unable to >communicate. Insisting that the term "hacker" means what it did thirty >years ago, and nothing else, is going to have about as much effect as >King Canute

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On 4/30/2013 3:23 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 04/30/2013 12:11 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: >> The line "I've been hacked" sounds like the author either doesn't know >> how to speak or ought to get out of computers because said person >> doesn't know how to code. > > Language changes. Either keep up,

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ts to hold back the tide. > > The lines that you have deleted, Joe, read that I would drop it so long as you use the term respectfully, especially in here among hackers. Did you miss this? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https

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On 04/30/2013 12:11 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: The line "I've been hacked" sounds like the author either doesn't know how to speak or ought to get out of computers because said person doesn't know how to code. Language changes. Either keep up, or find yourself unable to communicate. Insistin

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sers"?? > > Thomas Dineen > > If you do shut it down, and don't want to hear about the topic, then can we PLEASE clean up our language around hacking, hackers, and "I've been hacked"? Actually, this is not a question; it's more of a kindly demand. S

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has to change. No, it doesn't *have to* change and will actively resist. > People don't normally intend to rob a bank when they go in to make a > withdrawal. They have to understand that the same goes for hackers. No, they don't *have to* understand and will activ

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On Sat, 2013-04-27 at 20:13 -0700, Richard Vickery wrote: > To the point made immediately previous to my last comment: no one is > forcing you to participate in this thread; if you don't like it, you > are absolutely free - and I encourage you - to ignore it. Then you > won't be bothered by it. Do

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> > > with: >> > > > "Community Support For Fedora Users"?? >> > > >> > > Nothing whatever. Not that that ever stopped anyone. >> > > >> > > [BTW, please don't top-post on this list] >> > > >&

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p-post on this list] > > > > > > poc > > > > > > > I think it does have a lot to do with Linux users and developers. We > > are often grouped with the "hackers" negatively, and we need to make > > sure that people understand the difference

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ck of community concern can be gauged by the number of responses, many of whom say, "forget it", "leave it alone", and rightly so. Drupal, wordpress, Mongodb, Microsoft, Security organisations, Adobe, manufacturing and telecommunications companies, Governments, the Military all

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; > > "Community Support For Fedora Users"?? > > > > Nothing whatever. Not that that ever stopped anyone. > > > > [BTW, please don't top-post on this list] > > > > poc > > > > I think it does have a lot to do with Linux

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> Nothing whatever. Not that that ever stopped anyone. > > [BTW, please don't top-post on this list] > > poc > I think it does have a lot to do with Linux users and developers. We are often grouped with the "hackers" negatively, and we need to make sure that pe

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On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 10:12 -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: > I have a simple question: What the hell dose this rant have to do > with: > "Community Support For Fedora Users"?? Nothing whatever. Not that that ever stopped anyone. [BTW, please don't top-post on this list] poc -- users m

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blame someone for attacking them. This has to change. No, it doesn't *have to* change and will actively resist. > People don't normally intend to rob a bank when they go in to make a > withdrawal. They have to understand that the same goes for hackers. No, t

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Hi, --- On Thu, Apr 25, 2013 at 3:01 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: | Perhaps we should go back and educate the masses as to the "true" meanings | of all these words too? :-) \-- It depends on the extent to which one can help. Making people aware of the definitions by citing references is a way to m

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word hacker and was usually being someone who wore thick glasses and had no life.!) I think the word hacker in this day and age should not be viewed in ANY negative way, if it weren't for these hackers, and the work they dosometimes tings wouldn't get "fixed" imagine if

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tacking them. This has to > change. > > No, it doesn't *have to* change and will actively resist. > > > People don't normally intend to rob a bank when they go in to make a > > withdrawal. They have to understand that the same goes for hackers. > > No, they d

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don't normally intend to rob a bank when they go in to make a > withdrawal. They have to understand that the same goes for hackers. No, they don't *have to* understand and will actively resist. What you're trying to change is human nature. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you'

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rison for the use of the term? Civil society already does. Case in point: use of the term "my account has been hacked" or "...website had been hacked" have negative connotations; instead of looking to fix homes in faulty software, they blame someone for attacking them. This h

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On Thu, 2013-04-25 at 10:31 +0100, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > Exactly - go back to the middle ages and all children, whether male or > female, were called 'girls'. A son was a 'knave girl' and a daughter a > 'gay girl'. And 'boy' meant a servant. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject

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On 25.04.2013 11:31, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > On 04/25/2013 12:31 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On 04/24/2013 04:11 PM, Roger wrote: >>> Continuing to educate the masses is the only way that people will learn >>> the real meaning. >> >> As you can see here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geezer, the original

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On 04/25/2013 12:31 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/24/2013 04:11 PM, Roger wrote: Continuing to educate the masses is the only way that people will learn the real meaning. As you can see here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geezer, the original meaning of the term Geezer, as still used in the UK, is

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On 04/25/2013 09:31 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/24/2013 04:11 PM, Roger wrote: Continuing to educate the masses is the only way that people will learn the real meaning. Quoting the wrong person! Roger didn't write that at all. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

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On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Alan Evans wrote: > Richard Vickery wrote: > > [blah, blah, "hacker" has an unfair negative connotation, blah blah] > > ... we could call them idiots, just as bad as Fox > > Do you see what you just did there? > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraprojec

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Richard Vickery wrote: > [blah, blah, "hacker" has an unfair negative connotation, blah blah] > ... we could call them idiots, just as bad as Fox Do you see what you just did there? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fe

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> >> Of course, the media are infamous for abusing scientific terms, such as > >> calling the Higgs boson the god particle - a term scientists loathe - > >> so I out not lose too much sleep over it. > >> > >> regards, > >> Richard > > > &g

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a term scientists loathe - >> so I out not lose too much sleep over it. >> >> regards, >> Richard > > I've been interviewed a couple of times by CBC and other media. Each > time I explain what "hackers" means, and it doesn't really go anywhere. > T

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On 04/24/2013 04:11 PM, Roger wrote: Continuing to educate the masses is the only way that people will learn the real meaning. As you can see here, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geezer, the original meaning of the term Geezer, as still used in the UK, is significantly different from how it's u

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Continuing to educate the masses is the only way that people will learn the real meaning. With respect, education of the masses revolves around dismembering the education system, endless boring cooking competition shows, talent shows, the CSI series, endless football and celeb gossip, news wh

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On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 06:20:05PM +0530, Shakthi Kannan wrote: > Hi, > > --- On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > | I tend to think the 'hacker' vs. 'cracker' distinction is lost to history in > | the mainstream today. > \-- > > Continuing to educate the masses is the only w

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Hi, --- On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: | I tend to think the 'hacker' vs. 'cracker' distinction is lost to history in | the mainstream today. \-- Continuing to educate the masses is the only way that people will learn the real meaning. I usually refer them to the followin

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On Tue, 2013-04-23 at 19:42 -0700, Richard Vickery wrote: > Does anyone care to help me change the negative connotation that the > outside world has of this term, one step at a time? You can start by signing all your mails as hacker with a white hat on. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-

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On 04/24/2013 03:42 AM, Richard Vickery wrote: Of course, the media are infamous for abusing scientific terms, such as calling the Higgs boson the god particle - a term scientists loathe - so I out not lose too much sleep over it. Actually the scientists (inc. prof. Higgs) are not so happy with

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On 04/24/2013 02:02 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 04/23/2013 07:42 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: Does anyone care to help me change the negative connotation that the outside world has of this term, one step at a time? Sorry, but it's a tad late to lock up the barn when the horse is already been rendere

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, the term Hacker is expediently, grossly and deliberately misused by the press and Government to create a negative impact. Frankly Hackers, per se, as far as I understand the issue simply don't care, and from my perspective after reading Julian Assange where he addresses the term and Danie

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On 04/23/2013 07:42 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: Does anyone care to help me change the negative connotation that the outside world has of this term, one step at a time? Sorry, but it's a tad late to lock up the barn when the horse is already been rendered down into glue. -- users mailing list

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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 8:17 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 22:54:07 -0400, > Digimer wrote: > >> >> I've been interviewed a couple of times by CBC and other media. Each time >> I explain what "hackers" means, and it doesn

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On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 22:54:07 -0400, Digimer wrote: I've been interviewed a couple of times by CBC and other media. Each time I explain what "hackers" means, and it doesn't really go anywhere. The way I see it, we just need more positive "hacker" and ma

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- a term scientists loathe - so >> I out not lose too much sleep over it. >> >> regards, >> Richard >> > > I've been interviewed a couple of times by CBC and other media. Each time > I explain what "hackers" means, and it doesn't really go anywh

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Of course, the media are infamous for abusing scientific terms, such as calling the Higgs boson the god particle - a term scientists loathe - so I out not lose too much sleep over it. regards, Richard I've been interviewed a couple of times by CBC and other media. Each time I explain what

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Does anyone care to help me change the negative connotation that the outside world has of this term, one step at a time? The CBC just used the term with a negative frame on the Tuesday, 23 April 2013 30-minute radio news at about the half-way point. Everyone ought to go to this link and suggest tha