Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-29 Thread Rex Dieter
Tom Horsley wrote: > I try to shutdown my new fedora 32 virtual machine. > It immediately says: > > "Installing updates, do not turn off" > > AAUGH! I don't want to install frigging updates (yet). > > How do I reinstall fedora and turn this crap off > before I shutdown the next time?

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-29 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:54:15AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > I try to shutdown my new fedora 32 virtual machine. > It immediately says: > > "Installing updates, do not turn off" > > AAUGH! I don't want to install frigging updates (yet). > > How do I reinstall fedora and turn this crap off

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-29 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 22:56:39 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > > So, I suppose one has to actually read the dialog?  :-) :-) > > That's what I thought it did as well. I suppose it would be easy to get > in the habit of just clicking the button so that you might miss the > extra checkbox. Yep,

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 4/28/20 9:38 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: I just did that.  Booted the new instance.  Waited until the notification that new software is ready, showed up.  Checked to see that the packages have all been downloaded and then used the GNOME power-off button. A dialog came up with the box checked

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-04-29 11:52, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 4/28/20 7:50 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 2020-04-29 10:41, Tom Horsley wrote: >>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:59:41 +0800 >>> Ed Greshko wrote: >>> Interesting.  This leaves me with some questions.  Like, what did you install and how did you

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-04-29 11:52, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 4/28/20 7:50 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 2020-04-29 10:41, Tom Horsley wrote: >>> On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:59:41 +0800 >>> Ed Greshko wrote: >>> Interesting.  This leaves me with some questions.  Like, what did you install and how did you

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 4/28/20 7:50 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 2020-04-29 10:41, Tom Horsley wrote: On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:59:41 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: Interesting.  This leaves me with some questions.  Like, what did you install and how did you install it? I've just written this all up on my Game of Linux web

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-04-29 10:41, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:59:41 +0800 > Ed Greshko wrote: > >> Interesting.  This leaves me with some questions.  Like, what did you >> install and how did you install it? > I've just written this all up on my Game of Linux web site: > >

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:59:41 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > Interesting.  This leaves me with some questions.  Like, what did you install > and how did you install it? I've just written this all up on my Game of Linux web site: https://tomhorsley.com/game/offline-update.html You have to install

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-04-29 07:18, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:59:41 +0800 > Ed Greshko wrote: > >> So, how can I reproduce what caused your system to do something different? > No idea, that's the same procedure I followed, but it took a while > for me to get around to the first boot and gnome

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 29 Apr 2020 06:59:41 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > So, how can I reproduce what caused your system to do something different? No idea, that's the same procedure I followed, but it took a while for me to get around to the first boot and gnome had yodelled at me about available updates before

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-04-29 01:12, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 11:57:01 -0400 > Jonathan Billings wrote: > >> I think it's the packagekit-offline-update.service that actually >> performs the update during shutdown (triggered by >> system-update.target). I bet if you run: >> 'systemctl mask

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Sam Varshavchik
James Szinger writes: On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:12:35 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > Bingo! I used "systemctl --root=/mnt/sysroot" to mask both > packagekit-offline-update and packagekit before booting the > first time after the reinstall, and rebooted with no messages > about installing updates.

Re: Auto-updates on shutdown is a bad idea - Was: Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/28/2020 10:28 AM, Digimer wrote: Auto-installing updates on shutdown is a terrible idea and should NOT be the default behaviour of any modern OS. And, of course, if somebody had the temerity to open a BZ on this behavior, it would be instantly closed as NOTABUG.

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread François Patte
Le 28/04/2020 à 17:17, Tom Horsley a écrit : > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 23:07:41 +0800 > Ed Greshko wrote: > >> Failing that, google "gnome disable auto update"? > > This isn't gnome, it was well into the shutdown > process when this nonsense suddenly popped up. > > Imagine how convenient it will be

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread James Szinger
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:12:35 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > Bingo! I used "systemctl --root=/mnt/sysroot" to mask both > packagekit-offline-update and packagekit before booting the > first time after the reinstall, and rebooted with no messages > about installing updates. (And no gnome notifications

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 11:57:01 -0400 Jonathan Billings wrote: > I think it's the packagekit-offline-update.service that actually > performs the update during shutdown (triggered by > system-update.target). I bet if you run: > 'systemctl mask packagekit-offline-update.service' > ... it will disable

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 4:55 PM Tom Horsley wrote: > > I try to shutdown my new fedora 32 virtual machine. > It immediately says: > > "Installing updates, do not turn off" > > AAUGH! I don't want to install frigging updates (yet). > > How do I reinstall fedora and turn this crap off > before

Auto-updates on shutdown is a bad idea - Was: Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Digimer
On 2020-04-28 11:57 a.m., Jonathan Billings wrote: > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:54:15AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: >> >> I try to shutdown my new fedora 32 virtual machine. >> It immediately says: >> >> "Installing updates, do not turn off" >> >> AAUGH! I don't want to install frigging updates

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:54:15AM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > > I try to shutdown my new fedora 32 virtual machine. > It immediately says: > > "Installing updates, do not turn off" > > AAUGH! I don't want to install frigging updates (yet). > > How do I reinstall fedora and turn this crap

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 11:17:23 -0400 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 23:07:41 +0800 > Ed Greshko wrote: > > > Failing that, google "gnome disable auto update"? > > This isn't gnome, it was well into the shutdown > process when this nonsense suddenly popped up. > > Imagine how convenient

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 23:07:41 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > Failing that, google "gnome disable auto update"? This isn't gnome, it was well into the shutdown process when this nonsense suddenly popped up. Imagine how convenient it will be to be on your laptop when the plane starts boarding and you

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 28 Apr 2020 23:07:41 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > On 2020-04-28 22:54, Tom Horsley wrote: > > I try to shutdown my new fedora 32 virtual machine. > > It immediately says: > > > > "Installing updates, do not turn off" > > > > AAUGH! I don't want to install frigging updates (yet). > > > >

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-04-28 22:54, Tom Horsley wrote: > I try to shutdown my new fedora 32 virtual machine. > It immediately says: > > "Installing updates, do not turn off" > > AAUGH! I don't want to install frigging updates (yet). > > How do I reinstall fedora and turn this crap off > before I shutdown the

Re: AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Terry Polzin
DNFDRAGORA? On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 10:55 AM Tom Horsley wrote: > I try to shutdown my new fedora 32 virtual machine. > It immediately says: > > "Installing updates, do not turn off" > > AAUGH! I don't want to install frigging updates (yet). > > How do I reinstall fedora and turn this crap

AAUGH! More "helpful" software!

2020-04-28 Thread Tom Horsley
I try to shutdown my new fedora 32 virtual machine. It immediately says: "Installing updates, do not turn off" AAUGH! I don't want to install frigging updates (yet). How do I reinstall fedora and turn this crap off before I shutdown the next time?