Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote:
>> And it
>> begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora.
>
> No it doesn't; it *ASKS* the question. "Begging the question" is a
> logical fallacy. Please stop using that term like an illiterate moron,
> even if it is common us
On Tue, 2011-03-22 at 17:51 +, Alan Cox wrote:
> As far as the British coming - if you want to hear well formed properly
> used examples of English grammar including forms the Brits get wrong all
> the time - try India.
>
> Alan
> [1] Arguably English is the same - ask anyone who has met Glas
> I imagine that during the unifications of Germany and Italy
Hardly. Italian is a maze of semi compatible languages joined by a sort
of subset suitable for use wherever[1]. German dialects also vary widely.
I'm not sure if it is still going but there was even a KDE project to
support some German
On 03/22/2011 10:38 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> That may be true of English, but is it true of all languages?
> The Academie Francaise tries to tell the world what is correct in French;
> I don't know how many people listen to them.
I can assure you that the French Canadians don't listen to them..
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:54 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/22/2011 07:42 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> I'm officially going with oblivious.
>
> See if I care. I see that particular error quite often, but almost
> never point it out. In your case, however, you were almost literally
> begging me to rub
On 03/22/2011 02:08 PM, JB wrote:
> Andrew Haley redhat.com> writes:
>
>> ...
>
> The British are coming, the British are coming ...
This isn't really a Britishism, y'know. For sheer grammatical pedantry and
punctiliousness you're unlikely to find anything to beat the New Yorker with
its blizz
On 03/22/2011 07:42 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> I'm officially going with oblivious.
See if I care. I see that particular error quite often, but almost
never point it out. In your case, however, you were almost literally
begging me to rub your nose in it, so I did. Now you object. You might
c
> "Timothy" == Timothy Murphy writes:
Timothy> Colin Paul Adams wrote:
>> There's no such thing as technical correctness when it comes to
>> (human) languages.
Timothy> That may be true of English, but is it true of all
Timothy> languages? The Academie Francaise tries to
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:41 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> On 03/22/2011 02:08 PM, JB wrote:
>> Andrew Haley redhat.com> writes:
>>
>>> ...
>>
>> The British are coming, the British are coming ...
>
> Accounts have it that the phrase was in fact "The Regulars are coming out" but
> we shouldn't allo
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 9:37 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/22/2011 06:51 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> Nevertheless, you are oblivious to or intentionally ignoring the
>> point. Just because something is a pet peeve of yours doesn't make it
>> OK to be that rude to someone who has done nothing to you o
On 03/22/2011 02:08 PM, JB wrote:
> Andrew Haley redhat.com> writes:
>
>> ...
>
> The British are coming, the British are coming ...
Accounts have it that the phrase was in fact "The Regulars are coming out" but
we shouldn't allow history to get in the way of an apt quotation. ;)
Regards,
Bryn
Colin Paul Adams wrote:
> There's no such thing as technical correctness when it comes to (human)
> languages.
That may be true of English, but is it true of all languages?
The Academie Francaise tries to tell the world what is correct in French;
I don't know how many people listen to them.
I ima
On 03/22/2011 06:51 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> Nevertheless, you are oblivious to or intentionally ignoring the
> point. Just because something is a pet peeve of yours doesn't make it
> OK to be that rude to someone who has done nothing to you or call them
> an idiot.
I was pointing out that you ma
On 03/22/2011 03:55 AM, Alan Cox wrote:
> Anyway Humpty Dumpty had it right:
If you really believe that, there's not only no point in discussing this
with you, there's no way we can have a meaningful discussion of anything
because there's no way for anybody to know what you think your words
mea
Andrew Haley redhat.com> writes:
> ...
The British are coming, the British are coming ...
JB
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On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 10:42 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/21/2011 06:06 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>>> > On 03/21/2011 02:25 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> Do you realize that when you treat someone the way you did that no one
>> cares if
On 03/22/2011 11:35 AM, Alan Cox wrote:
>>> You can find someone on the internet who will believe anything is
>>> incorrect.
>>
>> Sure, but that's rather beside the point. We're not talking about the
>> opinion of J.Random Nutter here, but about something that Fowler's
>> Modern English Usage, al
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 06:04:58 -0500 suvayu ali
wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Tom H wrote:
> > Check your install with "pkaction --verbose --action-id
> > org.freedesktop.packagekit.package-install".
> >
> > On F12 at launch, you got:
> >
> > implicit any: no
> > implicit inactive: no
> > You can find someone on the internet who will believe anything is
> > incorrect.
>
> Sure, but that's rather beside the point. We're not talking about the
> opinion of J.Random Nutter here, but about something that Fowler's
> Modern English Usage, also published by Oxford, warns about.
And..
On 22/03/11 10:55, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:19:24 +
> Andrew Haley wrote:
>
>> On 22/03/11 09:54, Colin Paul Adams wrote:
"Andrew" == Andrew Haley writes:
>>>
>>> Andrew> On 21/03/11 21:19, Vaclav Mocek wrote:
>>> >>
>>> Andrew> Oxford Advanced Learners
On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 2:38 AM, Tom H wrote:
> Check your install with "pkaction --verbose --action-id
> org.freedesktop.packagekit.package-install".
>
> On F12 at launch, you got:
>
> implicit any: no
> implicit inactive: no
> implicit active: yes
>
> so anyone logged in at the console could ins
On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 10:19:24 +
Andrew Haley wrote:
> On 22/03/11 09:54, Colin Paul Adams wrote:
> >> "Andrew" == Andrew Haley writes:
> >
> > Andrew> On 21/03/11 21:19, Vaclav Mocek wrote:
> > >>
> > Andrew> Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary really should warn
> > And
On 22/03/11 09:54, Colin Paul Adams wrote:
>> "Andrew" == Andrew Haley writes:
>
> Andrew> On 21/03/11 21:19, Vaclav Mocek wrote:
> >>
> Andrew> Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary really should warn
> Andrew> learners that the first usage, although common, is
> Andrew> t
> "Andrew" == Andrew Haley writes:
Andrew> On 21/03/11 21:19, Vaclav Mocek wrote:
>>
Andrew> Oxford Advanced Learners Dictionary really should warn
Andrew> learners that the first usage, although common, is
Andrew> technically incorrect.
There's no such thing as technica
On 21/03/11 21:19, Vaclav Mocek wrote:
>
> On 03/21/2011 06:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote:
>>> And it
>>> begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora.
>> No it doesn't; it *ASKS* the question. "Begging the question" is a
>> logical fallacy. Please s
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 11:41 PM, suvayu ali
wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Tom H wrote:
>>>
>>> Speaking of which, I am not exactly comfortable with why Fedora (or
>>> Ubuntu) allow any user to install updates using PackageKit without any
>>> root access (or sudo password). I feel th
Hi Ranjan,
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:58 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:41:55 -0500 suvayu ali
> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> >> Speaking of which, I am not exactly comfortable with why Fedora (or
>> >> Ubuntu) allow any user to install updates
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 22:41:55 -0500 suvayu ali
wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Tom H wrote:
> >> Speaking of which, I am not exactly comfortable with why Fedora (or
> >> Ubuntu) allow any user to install updates using PackageKit without any
> >> root access (or sudo password). I feel t
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Tom H wrote:
>> Speaking of which, I am not exactly comfortable with why Fedora (or
>> Ubuntu) allow any user to install updates using PackageKit without any
>> root access (or sudo password). I feel that this is not really right
>> from a security point of view..
On 03/21/2011 06:06 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> > On 03/21/2011 02:25 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>>> >> Do you realize that when you treat someone the way you did that no one
>>> >> cares if your right?
>> >
>> > My right what? Don't you mean "yo
On 03/21/2011 09:33 AM, Unknown wrote:
> I havent deserted Fedora
Neither have I, and I don't intend to. I may, however stop using Gnome.
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On 03/22/2011 06:36:32 AM, stan wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:19:33 -0700
> Joe Zeff wrote:
>
> > On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote:
> > > And it
> > > begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora.
> >
> > No it doesn't; it *ASKS* the question.
>
> It doesn't ask the question.
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:45 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/21/2011 02:25 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> Do you realize that when you treat someone the way you did that no one
>> cares if your right?
>
> My right what? Don't you mean "you're right?" If so, you prove my
> point. Thank you.
No, don't c
On 03/21/2011 05:16 PM, les wrote:
> I find it rather amusing that you choose a fictional character to quote
> in support of a barb, rather than the author who truly owns the words.
> But to each his own. Rex Stout might be pleased or offended, depending
> on how he identifies with his character.
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 15:38 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/21/2011 03:04 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> > It's just that Joe Zeff apparently has a bad day today. ;-) Or maybe he has
> > something personal against Stan and uses a public list to pass on a couple
> > of
> > personal insults.
>
> Or, m
> On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote:
>> begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora.
> No it doesn't; it *ASKS* the question.
I'd like to step in here, as a heavy user of en_GB and say that the
original form is correct *and* in common usage. I accept that it may
not have made it i
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 22:04 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> On Monday 21 March 2011 21:19:16 Vaclav Mocek wrote:
> > On 03/21/2011 06:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > > On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote:
> > >> And it
> > >> begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora.
> > >
> > > No
On 03/21/2011 03:04 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> It's just that Joe Zeff apparently has a bad day today. ;-) Or maybe he has
> something personal against Stan and uses a public list to pass on a couple of
> personal insults.
Or, maybe, just maybe, I have a personal dislike for that particular
bar
On Monday 21 March 2011 21:19:16 Vaclav Mocek wrote:
> On 03/21/2011 06:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote:
> >> And it
> >> begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora.
> >
> > No it doesn't; it *ASKS* the question. "Begging the question" is a
> > logic
On 03/21/2011 02:25 PM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> Do you realize that when you treat someone the way you did that no one
> cares if your right?
My right what? Don't you mean "you're right?" If so, you prove my
point. Thank you.
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On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/21/2011 12:36 PM, stan wrote:
>> That is one interpretation of "beg the question". However, when I
>> use a phrase, it means exactly what I want it to mean, no more and no
>> less.
>
> Thank you Mr. Humpty Dumpty. You do understand, don't
On 03/21/2011 06:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote:
>> And it
>> begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora.
> No it doesn't; it *ASKS* the question. "Begging the question" is a
> logical fallacy. Please stop using that term like an illiterate moron,
>
On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 10:16 -0700, stan wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Just thought I would make an observation about the direction of Fedora
> after reading some of the comments in the OT morons thread, that has
> morphed into grumbling about Gnome 3.
>
> I was looking at the list archives
> http://lists.fed
On 03/21/2011 12:36 PM, stan wrote:
> That is one interpretation of "beg the question". However, when I
> use a phrase, it means exactly what I want it to mean, no more and no
> less.
Thank you Mr. Humpty Dumpty. You do understand, don't you, that that
attitude makes communication impossible be
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:18 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:04:36 -0500 Tom H wrote:
>> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:16 PM, stan wrote:
>>>
>>> Now, there can be many reasons for that:
>>> - the traffic has been split to more specific lists
>>> - people are using other means to g
On 03/21/2011 12:18 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote:
> Many of their releases languish without updates for
> far longer than Fedora, in my experience. Ubuntu is designed to make
> the switch from Windoze to be as painless as possible, and they
> probably achieve that.
AOL. My sister uses the latest Ubu
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:19:33 -0700
Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote:
> > And it
> > begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora.
>
> No it doesn't; it *ASKS* the question.
It doesn't ask the question. Asking 'Why might people be deserting
Fedora?' asks the
On Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:04:36 -0500 Tom H wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:16 PM, stan wrote:
> >
> > Just thought I would make an observation about the direction of Fedora
> > after reading some of the comments in the OT morons thread, that has
> > morphed into grumbling about Gnome 3.
> >
> >
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 1:16 PM, stan wrote:
>
> Just thought I would make an observation about the direction of Fedora
> after reading some of the comments in the OT morons thread, that has
> morphed into grumbling about Gnome 3.
>
> I was looking at the list archives
> http://lists.fedoraproject
On 03/21/2011 10:16 AM, stan wrote:
> And it
> begs the question of*why* people might be deserting Fedora.
No it doesn't; it *ASKS* the question. "Begging the question" is a
logical fallacy. Please stop using that term like an illiterate moron,
even if it is common usage. Just because the co
Hi,
Just thought I would make an observation about the direction of Fedora
after reading some of the comments in the OT morons thread, that has
morphed into grumbling about Gnome 3.
I was looking at the list archives
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for another reason and I notice
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