Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-24 Thread Craig White
On Sat, 2011-12-24 at 12:24 +0530, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: Correct, I did ask in the Ubuntu lists too, but please: for a while think of the time when you too were an absolute beginner and finding your way typical of chosing the correct distribution and then start working for it! Its

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-24 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:01 AM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: the fedora vs suse vs ubuntu troll is back. new name. same game. I really didn't understand if you are mis understanding something? Which new name and which same game? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-24 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/24/2011 2:06 AM, Craig White wrote: [...] http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html [...] Craig Long read but good read ... plus a helping of opps for my various faux pas ... Thanks for the link, Paul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-24 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: There is no one correct distribution. If there was, we would all be using it or do you think we are so stupid we would deliberately choose not to use it? Correct, I came to know this, thanks. -- users mailing list

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:46 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: as for God blessing me. He has, many times. May God bless all of us, I don't want to come into more debate, you do whatever you wish, its your life. tell Suneeta hello. Don't know what is Suneeta? What is it? -- users mailing

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread g
just how many Rameshwar Kr. Sharma would you say there are in this world? -- peace out. tc.hago, g . *please reply plain text only. html text are deleted* signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 12/23/2011 09:09 PM, g wrote: just how many Rameshwar Kr. Sharma would you say there are in this world? Its Christmas, so probably lots. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
2011/12/23 夜神 岩男 supergiantpot...@yahoo.co.jp: Its Christmas, so probably lots. +1 And merry Christmas to all, incl. 'g'. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread g
On 12/23/2011 12:15 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: 2011/12/23 夜神 岩男 supergiantpot...@yahoo.co.jp: Its Christmas, so probably lots. -=- faking sender as you did only shows more of your lacking. and Christmas has nothing to do with how many there are. a web search thru 3 sites on

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread g
On 12/23/2011 12:24 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 12:46 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: as for God blessing me. He has, many times. tell Suneeta hello. I have no hate for you and nothing, -=- i have never said or inferred that you did. nor have i inferred

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 12/23/2011 10:02 PM, g wrote: On 12/23/2011 12:15 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: 2011/12/23 夜神 岩男supergiantpot...@yahoo.co.jp: Its Christmas, so probably lots. -=- faking sender as you did only shows more of your lacking. and Christmas has nothing to do with how many there

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:32 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: a web search thru 3 sites on shows one living in India. Well I am an Indian but I do_not_live_there_right now! Okay? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:39 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: Suneeta is a very common name in India. So John is also a common name, Mathew is also common, so what? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
2011/12/23 夜神 岩男 supergiantpot...@yahoo.co.jp: I'm not sure what's got you riled about my response. I really did write that, not the Indian guy you've a problem with. As far as Christmas goes, it is clearly the season when list goes haywire, so I was only striving to make as much sense as

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: yes, john and mathew common 'english' names. as are rameshwar or kr. or sharma, are common names of people of India. except that *Rameshwar Kr. Sharma* is not a common name. so, for the rest of members of this list, go ahead,

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Craig White
On Fri, 2011-12-23 at 14:28 +, g wrote: On 12/23/2011 01:47 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 6:39 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: Suneeta is a very common name in India. So John is also a common name, Mathew is also common, so what? -=- yes, john

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Fri, 23 Dec 2011 21:21:54 +0530 Rameshwar Kr. Sharma mathsrealwo...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 7:58 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: Both of you: Either stop it or take it off line. Now. -- cmg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 10:44 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: George, I think you are unnecessarily harsh and abusive - but my determination was made long before this exchange. That said, you seemingly are incapable of understanding the adage... don't feed the trolls. He is

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 11:31 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: as always, i do respect your opinion, other than a couple times we have gotten a little sideways, i have tried to maintain my harshness and abusiveness to trolls, and other such ingrates. You are harsh in almost every talk, more

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-23 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 12:04 AM, David dgbo...@gmail.com wrote: I have been told that the same(??) guy asked the very same question with the very same Subject: line on the Ubuntu list the other day. David, I understand your concern and respect your views but would like to tell you the same:

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-22 Thread Roger
On 22/12/11 14:32, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 11:22 AM, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig Whitecraigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred

Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Roger
On 22/12/11 14:22, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig Whitecraigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 19:50 +1100, Roger wrote: On 22/12/11 14:22, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig Whitecraigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 22 December 2011 17:28:59 Tim wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 01:05 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: Me ducks for cover Ducks don't provide much cover. You need something larger, like an albatross. LOL! :-D Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 12/22/2011 10:15 PM, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 19:50 +1100, Roger wrote: On 22/12/11 14:22, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig Whitecraigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM,

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Christopher Svanefalk
Trolls? In my Fedora? O_O On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 3:12 PM, 夜神 岩男 supergiantpot...@yahoo.co.jp wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:15 PM, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 19:50 +1100, Roger wrote: On 22/12/11 14:22, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk christopher.svanef...@gmail.com: Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now, like 夜神 岩男 said truly please invoke a zombie thread any more. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options:

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
2011/12/22 Rameshwar Kr. Sharma mathsrealwo...@gmail.com: Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now, like 夜神 岩男 said truly please invoke a zombie thread any more. Please don't invoke what I meant. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/22/2011 02:57 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: 2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk christopher.svanef...@gmail.com: Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now, like 夜神 岩男 said truly please invoke a zombie thread any more. -=- *nope* it is what is known

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/22/2011 11:06 PM, g wrote: On 12/22/2011 02:57 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: 2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk christopher.svanef...@gmail.com: Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now, like 夜神 岩男 said truly please invoke a zombie thread any more.

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/22/2011 03:12 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 11:06 PM, g wrote: On 12/22/2011 02:57 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: 2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk christopher.svanef...@gmail.com: Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end now, like

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/22/2011 11:17 PM, g wrote: On 12/22/2011 03:12 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 11:06 PM, g wrote: On 12/22/2011 02:57 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: 2011/12/22 Christopher Svanefalk christopher.svanef...@gmail.com: Are we not uneccessaily extending a conversion which should end

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/22/2011 03:21 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 11:17 PM, g wrote: On 12/22/2011 03:12 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 11:06 PM, g wrote: *nope* it is what is known as a troll party. which ain't over 'til well after the fat lady sings. B-D Right. The corollary to the

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 8:51 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: That logic is beyond the scope of my comprehension at the moment. True and so for me, some have habit of debates, better is we should leave it there itself and on its on. With time, it settles, perhaps. -- users mailing

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/22/2011 03:55 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: True and so for me, some have habit of debates, better is we should leave it there itself and on its on. With time, it settles, perhaps. -=- better to have a habit of debate than a habit of trolling and deceit. -- peace out. tc.hago, g

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:30 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: True and so for me, some have habit of debates, better is we should leave it there itself and on its on. With time, it settles, perhaps. better to have a habit of debate than a habit of trolling and deceit. Correct, so never

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/22/2011 05:02 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 9:30 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: True and so for me, some have habit of debates, better is we should leave it there itself and on its on. With time, it settles, perhaps. better to have a habit of debate than a

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/22/2011 08:47 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:12 AM, g wrote: in one of your persona's, i suggested you to do something, which you did as yourself. and as yourself, you repeat what you asked in your personae. I think that the term you want is sock puppet. -=- actually, both are

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/22/2011 10:12 AM, g wrote: in one of your persona's, i suggested you to do something, which you did as yourself. and as yourself, you repeat what you asked in your personae. I think that the term you want is sock puppet. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: the pot calling the kettle black. very topical of a troll. i am not the one who has been trolling this list. While most the persons here are helpful and suggesting but I have so far, seen only you to come into the war and fight,

Re: Was Fedora vs openSUSE now -exageration extraordinaire

2011-12-22 Thread g
On 12/23/2011 05:34 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 11:42 PM, g gel...@bellsouth.net wrote: the pot calling the kettle black. very topical of a troll. i am not the one who has been trolling this list. While most the persons here are helpful and suggesting but I

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html It's up to you to draw your conclusions. Some people consider this agreement to be the dawn of mankind,

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Paul Allen Newell pnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: All the best, Thanks Paul. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/21/2011 01:18 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: This has been a great news for me that I am going switch to Linux from Windows XP, I am bored using it, many viruses and also high cost to maintain. Apart from it, I came to know that there are many linux and more

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 06:12 +, g wrote: On 12/21/2011 03:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Your email address says absolutely nothing about your nationality, -=- my nationality is American, living United States of America. in respect that Canadians are Americans living in Canada.

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-) Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it you can use TOR, but we're getting way OT now. +1 And what if he/she

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Antonio Olivares
Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning. Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Antonio Olivares olivares14...@yahoo.com wrote: This is entirely up to you :)  You decide.  If you like OpenSUSE, use it.   Deals of sleeping with the devil by M$ should not discourage you right? If you are on users list at fedoraproject, why not Fedora?  This

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/21/2011 02:15 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning. Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Antonio Olivares
c) Times are changing: Though Microsoft and Linux definitely are not close friends, Microsoft's attitude towards Linux has changed at least to some extend. Also, the real threats to Linux and FLOSS is not Microsoft, anymore. Yes, indeed times are changing. I hear that Microsoft's attitude

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 15:34 +0530, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: either Fedora or Ubuntu, but without actually practically seeing I really cannot comments. Thanks to the developers that they created the use of Live CDs without which it seems a more typical kind or thing to judge a distro.

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Ralf Corsepius rc040...@freenet.de wrote: a) such deals are not uncommon in the commercial world. It's only that SUSE uses this deal for marketing purposes, while there probably exist similar deals, the public simply never will know about. b) whom to consider

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Though be aware that Live CDs are a poor demonstration.  For one thing, they're a slow medium.  So don't be put off trying a proper installation if the demonstration isn't that good. Oh yes, but I can install from Live

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Clive Hills
I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Can this just stop. Clive -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Clive Hills discordia...@gmail.com wrote: Can this just stop. What to be stopped? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 15:40 +, Clive Hills wrote: I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Gratuitous invocations don't count. Can this just stop. Clive -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Mathematical Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu -- users mailing list

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 12/21/2011 09:19 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-) Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it you can use TOR,

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread g
On 12/21/2011 11:57 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Your IP address is not necessarily constant. -=- only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, which brings down dsl modem. even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block;

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 07:40 AM, Clive Hills wrote: I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Can this just stop. Clive No. Mentioning him simply to end a thread doesn't count; you have to invoke him in anger. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, which brings down dsl modem. I used to do this type of stuff at an ISP. What you have is a fairly long lease on an IP. When that lease expires, your modem has to renew it. There's a

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block; (adsl-184-41-x-x.mem.bellsouth.net[184.41.x.x]) Sorry to respond twice. It only just occurred to me that I should comment on this as well. What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 12:25 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone company isn't a modem or a router, but I can't remember any more what it's called. It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone company's switch. poc -- users mailing

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 12:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone company's switch. Thank you, Patrick. I knew it had a simple name, but after eight years of not needing to think about it I'd forgotten. -- users mailing list

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread g
On 12/21/2011 10:58 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: As the great Yogi Berra once said This is like deja vu all over again. Nearly the exact same question came up very recently on this list...as well as the Ubuntu list...as well as the openSUSE list. Even all of the responses seem nearly the same.Â

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/21 10:56, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/21/2011 07:40 AM, Clive Hills wrote: I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Can this just stop. Clive No. Mentioning him simply to end a thread doesn't count; you have to invoke him in anger. There is also the philosophical question

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Roger
snip As the great Yogi Berra once said This is like deja vu all over again. /snip The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation conversation is my Delete Message button, applied with gusto. Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread g
On 12/21/2011 08:15 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, which brings down dsl modem. I used to do this type of stuff at an ISP. What you have is a fairly long lease on an IP. When that lease

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 09:15 +1100, Roger wrote: snip As the great Yogi Berra once said This is like deja vu all over again. /snip The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation conversation is my Delete Message button, applied with gusto. Roger evidently

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday 21 December 2011 06:58:08 Antonio Olivares wrote: Still take for example the Android platform which is Linux/GNU/Linux. Wait, is there really any GNU in the Android? I thought that Android was a textbook example of a Linux-based non-GNU OS... ;-) // And now the *real* flame wars

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in a diabolic way... // Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of troll? :-) :-) -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Roger
On 22/12/11 11:58, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 09:15 +1100, Roger wrote: snip As the great Yogi Berra once said This is like deja vu all over again. /snip The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation conversation is myDelete Message button, applied with

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... they

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 22 December 2011 09:35:59 Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in a diabolic way... // Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of troll? :-) :-) Nah, that wouldn't

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred =

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 12/22/2011 11:46 AM, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole I used to tell my children all

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/22/2011 11:22 AM, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 03:11 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: On Thursday 22 December 2011 09:35:59 Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in a diabolic way... // Does that mean you are

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 07:56 PM, Craig White wrote: it would be pretty hard to 'out troll' Marcel/Gilpel. Maybe, but I'm sure that Sgt. Detritus could manage it, and that Diamond is in a class by himself. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com wrote: It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone company's switch. Now a ways, router are used more often, some boxy type of thing. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Craig White craigwh...@azapple.com wrote: conversation is my Delete Message button, applied with gusto. Roger evidently your aim isn't so good and you hit the reply button instead of delete button. +1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 01:05 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: Me ducks for cover Ducks don't provide much cover. You need something larger, like an albatross. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 12:25 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: The point is, that device has a fixed pool of IP addresses, all from the same subnet, to pass out. Thus, as long as you're connecting to that device, you're going to get an address from the same block. Not on my ISP. There's two or three

Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
Hello community, This has been a great news for me that I am going switch to Linux from Windows XP, I am bored using it, many viruses and also high cost to maintain. Apart from it, I came to know that there are many linux and more specifically distributions. So really speaking, I am a bit

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 22:48:48 +0530, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma mathsrealwo...@gmail.com wrote: Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and for rest of the distributions more -- I would really not look

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Swapnil Bhartiya
On 12/20/2011 06:18 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and for rest of the distributions more -- I would really not look for I would be confused more. Why is it

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread charles zeitler
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma mathsrealwo...@gmail.com wrote: Hello community, This has been a great news for me that I am going switch to Linux from Windows XP, opensuse comes in mind, then some other

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote: Notably Fedora has some features that may make it not suitable for everyone. Fedora versions are only supported for 13 months, so you will be looking at doing upgrades once (or twice if you don't want to skip releases) a

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya swapnil.bhart...@gmail.com wrote: Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and for rest of the distributions more --  I would really not look for I

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:04 PM, charles zeitler cfzeit...@gmail.com wrote: Do what thou wilt shall  be the whole  of the Law. Yeah correct but since I was confused and new, so suggestions put a great deal of work for me, after all community members are so much experienced! -- users mailing

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:04 PM, charles zeitler cfzeit...@gmail.com wrote: Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread g
On 12/20/2011 05:18 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: the fedora vs suse vs ubuntu troll is back. new name. same game. i tried suse and gave it up. i tried ubuntu and gave it up. i am red hat/fedora/sl oriented because i do not mind putting out effort to administer them to keep them running.

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Antonio Olivares
Well said, but I just wanted to learn the Linux from the basics - right from the first step. So if Fedora really gives all such issues, should I go to openSUSE? -- If you want to learn linux, then go and get Slackware! If you want hand holding and flash + codecs get Mint based on Ubuntu,

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 20.12.2011, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and for rest of the distributions more. Do a saerch and locate all the distribution of your interest. Download a live

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Darryl L. Pierce
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:34:00AM -0600, charles zeitler wrote: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. What is the law? No spill blood. Who makes the rules? Someone else. :D -- Darryl L. Pierce, Sr. Software Engineer @ Red Hat, Inc. Delivering value year after year. Red Hat

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/20/2011 11:45 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:34:00AM -0600, charles zeitler wrote: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. What is the law? No spill blood. Who makes the rules? Someone else. :D I'll tell you what, people, how about if we stop

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/20/2011 11:58 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/20/2011 11:45 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:34:00AM -0600, charles zeitler wrote: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. What is the law? No spill blood. Who makes the rules? Someone else. :D I'll tell

OT: Crowley was Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread stan
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:45:54 -0500 Darryl L. Pierce dpie...@redhat.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:34:00AM -0600, charles zeitler wrote: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. What is the law? No spill blood. Who makes the rules? Someone else. :D I think the full

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/20/2011 12:07 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: As far as I am concerned, you are not wrong. Darryl's post is not appropriate for this list Thank you, Paul. I doubt, however, that Darryl meant to take things that far off-topic or realized what might happen. -- users mailing list

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread stan
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:07:34 -0800 Paul Allen Newell pnew...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: As far as I am concerned, you are not wrong. Darryl's post is not appropriate for this list I think the first inappropriate post belongs to Mr. Zeitler. Putting his quote at the start of every message is equivalent

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