Re: Maybe offline updates aren't a bad idea

2021-07-31 Thread Roger Heflin
Adding to what Chris suggests. When ssh fails, always ping the ip address. If the ping responds then the kernel is up in some state (during heavy paging/deadlocks ping generally responds if the kernel is still running and has not crashed). If ping does not respond either the network has died (ty

Re: Maybe offline updates aren't a bad idea

2021-07-30 Thread Chris Murphy
On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 2:00 PM Roger Heflin wrote: > > If it was just a plasma crash, then ssh and/or the alt keys would have > worked to switch terminals. > > Details said neither worked. The kernel and/or a significant part of > userspace was deadlocked and/or crashed. I wonder if logs contai

Re: Maybe offline updates aren't a bad idea

2021-07-30 Thread Roger Heflin
If it was just a plasma crash, then ssh and/or the alt keys would have worked to switch terminals. Details said neither worked. The kernel and/or a significant part of userspace was deadlocked and/or crashed. On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 1:11 PM Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 31/07/2021 01:43, Roger Hefli

Re: Maybe offline updates aren't a bad idea

2021-07-30 Thread Ed Greshko
On 31/07/2021 01:43, Roger Heflin wrote: Total lockup would have to be a complete kernel crash during the update. As others have said, offline would probably not reduce the risk of this sort of crash. I think it is unwise to assume it was a "kernel" crash. As I mentioned, the screen showed a

Re: Maybe offline updates aren't a bad idea

2021-07-30 Thread Roger Heflin
Total lockup would have to be a complete kernel crash during the update. As others have said, offline would probably not reduce the risk of this sort of crash. The updates typically don't add/remove modules and/or otherwise change the live running kernel components. On the enterprise side there

Re: Maybe offline updates aren't a bad idea

2021-07-30 Thread Ed Greshko
On 30/07/2021 19:04, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan writes: On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 11:34 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > On 7/30/21 7:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > Total freeze.  Unable to switch to an alternate console.  ssh into > > the system was non-responsive. > > No ssh? Looks

Re: Maybe offline updates aren't a bad idea

2021-07-30 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Patrick O'Callaghan writes: On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 11:34 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > On 7/30/21 7:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > Total freeze.  Unable to switch to an alternate console.  ssh into > > the system was non-responsive. > > No ssh? Looks like a total system lockup that could have ha

Re: Maybe offline updates aren't a bad idea

2021-07-30 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2021-07-30 at 11:34 +0200, Roberto Ragusa wrote: > On 7/30/21 7:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > Total freeze.  Unable to switch to an alternate console.  ssh into > > the system was non-responsive. > > No ssh? Looks like a total system lockup that could have happened in > offline mode as w

Re: Maybe offline updates aren't a bad idea

2021-07-30 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 7/30/21 7:57 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: Total freeze.  Unable to switch to an alternate console.  ssh into the system was non-responsive. No ssh? Looks like a total system lockup that could have happened in offline mode as well. -- Roberto Ragusamail at robertoragusa.it ___

Re: Maybe offline updates aren't a bad idea

2021-07-29 Thread Ed Greshko
On 30/07/2021 13:42, francis.montag...@inria.fr wrote: Hi. On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 08:45:24 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: In a first for me, my system froze solid doing an update today.  It was a combination plasma updates and kernel updates. Was it a complete freeze or only a freeze of the graphical s

Re: Maybe offline updates aren't a bad idea

2021-07-29 Thread Francis . Montagnac
Hi. On Fri, 30 Jul 2021 08:45:24 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > In a first for me, my system froze solid doing an update today.  It was a > combination plasma updates and kernel updates. Was it a complete freeze or only a freeze of the graphical session ? I always update with "nohup dnf -y update &

Maybe offline updates aren't a bad idea

2021-07-29 Thread Ed Greshko
In a first for me, my system froze solid doing an update today.  It was a combination plasma updates and kernel updates. Anyway, it took a bit of reinstalling and cleaning up to get a working system.  Not too bad for me. This probably would not have happened if the updates were done offline.