Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-08 Thread Steve Underwood
On 06/09/2011 01:05 AM, Tim wrote: > On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 02:03 +1000, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: >> Back in the mid 70's I worked on a 1963 IBM 1130 in my high >> school in Guam, and it had core memory, and you could see the >> memory (all 4K of it), and had a little modual that you could plug i

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-08 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-06-09 at 02:03 +1000, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: > Back in the mid 70's I worked on a 1963 IBM 1130 in my high > school in Guam, and it had core memory, and you could see the > memory (all 4K of it), and had a little modual that you could plug in > another section to actually read

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-08 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
On 8 Jun 2011 at 7:22, Joe Zeff wrote: Date sent: Wed, 08 Jun 2011 07:22:36 -0700 From: Joe Zeff To: Community support for Fedora users Subject:Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary Send reply to: Community

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-08 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/08/2011 05:56 AM, Tom Horsley wrote: > Though they were donuts pinned to cards rather than cards > pinned to donuts :-) Unless my memory's faded, they had several different wires threaded to them which held them in place in a big square array. No pins, no card. At least that was true (I

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-08 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-06-08 at 04:55 -0700, Craig White wrote: > Donuts are not particularly well suited for data storage. They tend to > be hostile to input devices. I suppose they could lead to stale data... > That does remind me of a very funny joke though... > From data, to doughnuts, to nudist j

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-08 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 08 Jun 2011 04:55:13 -0700 Craig White wrote: > Donuts are not particularly well suited for data storage. They tend to > be hostile to input devices. Nonsense! They were the first successful data storage technology: http://www.nzeldes.com/HOC/CoreMemory.htm Though they were donuts pinne

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-08 Thread Craig White
On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 21:11 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 17:07 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > > It doesn't care whether that is flash, rotating media, or indeed cards > > pinned to donuts. > > Is there an RFC for the last one? ;-) Donuts are not particularly well suited for data stora

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-06 Thread Ian Malone
On 6 June 2011 12:41, Tim wrote: > On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 17:07 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: >> It doesn't care whether that is flash, rotating media, or indeed cards >> pinned to donuts. > > Is there an RFC for the last one?  ;-) > Maybe next April? Though the pigeons might eat them. -- imalone -- u

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-06 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2011-06-05 at 17:07 +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > It doesn't care whether that is flash, rotating media, or indeed cards > pinned to donuts. Is there an RFC for the last one? ;-) -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-05 Thread JD
On 06/05/11 09:07, Alan Cox wrote: >> to the file's or dir's inode as possible. So, even if the a disk cylinder >> is now a virtual thing, it still helps in organizing the disk > The notion of a cylinder group comes from BSD, and in 4.2 BSD FFS they > were indeed physically laid out to match the me

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-05 Thread Alan Cox
> to the file's or dir's inode as possible. So, even if the a disk cylinder > is now a virtual thing, it still helps in organizing the disk The notion of a cylinder group comes from BSD, and in 4.2 BSD FFS they were indeed physically laid out to match the media. Linux has never done that because b

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-05 Thread Alan Cox
> would you say then, that best practise would be to let anaconda create the > /boot, / and other partitions? fdisk wouldn't align properly right? I don't know the fdisk included with Fedora is aware of or not. Probably best to let Anaconda do it in general. -- users mailing list users@lists.fed

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-05 Thread JD
On 06/05/11 03:49, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 12:50:12 +0100 > Timothy Murphy wrote: > >> Does this matter? >> If so, what can you do about it? >> I get it after partitioning with fdisk, >> choosing partitions of size 50GB, etc. >> >> Is it really better to give the block count? > Tradi

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-05 Thread solarflow99
On Sun, Jun 5, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Alan Cox wrote: > On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 12:50:12 +0100 > Timothy Murphy wrote: > > > Does this matter? > > If so, what can you do about it? > > I get it after partitioning with fdisk, > > choosing partitions of size 50GB, etc. > > > > Is it really better to give the

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-05 Thread Alan Cox
On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 12:50:12 +0100 Timothy Murphy wrote: > Does this matter? > If so, what can you do about it? > I get it after partitioning with fdisk, > choosing partitions of size 50GB, etc. > > Is it really better to give the block count? Traditional boot loader stuff and BIOS depends on c

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread JD
On 06/04/11 19:28, David wrote: > On 5 June 2011 12:21, Genes MailLists wrote: >> On 06/04/2011 10:15 PM, David wrote: >>> On 5 June 2011 12:07, JD wrote: On 06/04/11 19:02, David wrote: > On 5 June 2011 11:42, JDwrote: >> I think you can read the kernel source code as well >

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread JD
On 06/04/11 19:15, David wrote: > On 5 June 2011 12:07, JD wrote: >> On 06/04/11 19:02, David wrote: >>> On 5 June 2011 11:42, JDwrote: I think you can read the kernel source code as well as anyone. So you have to do some homework :) >>> [david@kablamm partition]$ rpm -qf /sbin/mkfs.

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread David
On 5 June 2011 12:21, Genes MailLists wrote: > On 06/04/2011 10:15 PM, David wrote: >> On 5 June 2011 12:07, JD wrote: >>> On 06/04/11 19:02, David wrote: On 5 June 2011 11:42, JD  wrote: > I think you can read the kernel source code as well > as anyone. So you have to do some homewo

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread Genes MailLists
On 06/04/2011 10:15 PM, David wrote: > On 5 June 2011 12:07, JD wrote: >> On 06/04/11 19:02, David wrote: >>> On 5 June 2011 11:42, JD wrote: I think you can read the kernel source code as well as anyone. So you have to do some homework :) >>> [david@kablamm partition]$ rpm -qf /sbin/mk

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread David
On 5 June 2011 12:15, David wrote: > > Partitioning is done by mkfs variants. Nothing to do with the kernel. s/Partitioning/Filesystem creation -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/user

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread David
On 5 June 2011 12:07, JD wrote: > On 06/04/11 19:02, David wrote: >> On 5 June 2011 11:42, JD  wrote: >>> I think you can read the kernel source code as well >>> as anyone. So you have to do some homework :) >> [david@kablamm partition]$ rpm -qf /sbin/mkfs.ext3 >> e2fsprogs-1.41.9-5.fc12.i686 >> >

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread JD
On 06/04/11 19:02, David wrote: > On 5 June 2011 11:42, JD wrote: >> I think you can read the kernel source code as well >> as anyone. So you have to do some homework :) > [david@kablamm partition]$ rpm -qf /sbin/mkfs.ext3 > e2fsprogs-1.41.9-5.fc12.i686 > > kernel ? Well, you can peruse the latest

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread David
On 5 June 2011 11:42, JD wrote: > I think you can read the kernel source code as well > as anyone. So you have to do some homework :) [david@kablamm partition]$ rpm -qf /sbin/mkfs.ext3 e2fsprogs-1.41.9-5.fc12.i686 kernel ? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or ch

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread JD
On 06/04/11 18:18, David wrote: > On 5 June 2011 10:59, JD wrote: >> On 06/04/11 17:36, David wrote: >>> On 5 June 2011 10:19, Aaron Konstamwrote: It would be better if partition ends on a cylinder boundary but the system will still work. >>> I am curious about *how* specifically tha

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread David
On 5 June 2011 10:59, JD wrote: > On 06/04/11 17:36, David wrote: >> On 5 June 2011 10:19, Aaron Konstam  wrote: >>> It would be better if partition ends on a cylinder boundary but the >>> system will still work. >> I am curious about *how* specifically that "it would be better". >> In what situat

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread JD
On 06/04/11 17:36, David wrote: > On 5 June 2011 10:19, Aaron Konstam wrote: >> On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 12:50 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: >>> Does this matter? >>> If so, what can you do about it? >>> I get it after partitioning with fdisk, >>> choosing partitions of size 50GB, etc. >> It would be

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread JD
On 06/04/11 17:19, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 12:50 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> Does this matter? >> If so, what can you do about it? >> I get it after partitioning with fdisk, >> choosing partitions of size 50GB, etc. >> >> Is it really better to give the block count? >> >> I

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread David
On 5 June 2011 10:19, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 12:50 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> Does this matter? >> If so, what can you do about it? >> I get it after partitioning with fdisk, >> choosing partitions of size 50GB, etc. > It would be better if partition ends on a cylinder

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 12:50 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Does this matter? > If so, what can you do about it? > I get it after partitioning with fdisk, > choosing partitions of size 50GB, etc. > > Is it really better to give the block count? > > Incidentally, I notice that lshal takes a block a

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread David
On 4 June 2011 21:50, Timothy Murphy wrote: [Partition does not end on cylinder boundary] > Does this matter? > If so, what can you do about it? > I get it after partitioning with fdisk, > choosing partitions of size 50GB, etc. The message refers to an attempt to describe the end sec

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread John Austin
On Sat, 2011-06-04 at 10:00 -0700, JD wrote: > On 06/04/11 09:54, Tom Horsley wrote: > > On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 09:02:48 -0700 > > JD wrote: > > > >> What tool did you use to create the partition in the first place. > >> I thought that fdisk, sfdisk and gparted always round up (or down) > >> to end

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread JD
On 06/04/11 09:54, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 09:02:48 -0700 > JD wrote: > >> What tool did you use to create the partition in the first place. >> I thought that fdisk, sfdisk and gparted always round up (or down) >> to end of cylinder. > Over the years, I have used lots of differen

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 04 Jun 2011 09:02:48 -0700 JD wrote: > What tool did you use to create the partition in the first place. > I thought that fdisk, sfdisk and gparted always round up (or down) > to end of cylinder. Over the years, I have used lots of different partitioning tools, and one thing I have found

Re: Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread JD
On 06/04/11 04:50, Timothy Murphy wrote: Does this matter? If so, what can you do about it? I get it after partitioning with fdisk, choosing partitions of size 50GB, etc. Is it really better to give the block count? Incidentally, I notice that lshal takes a block as 512B, w

Partition does not end on cylinder boundary

2011-06-04 Thread Timothy Murphy
Does this matter? If so, what can you do about it? I get it after partitioning with fdisk, choosing partitions of size 50GB, etc. Is it really better to give the block count? Incidentally, I notice that lshal takes a block as 512B, while fdisk has 1kB blocks. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gaylear