Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-14 Thread James Hogarth
It might be a good idea, then, to configure ip6tables to deny everything and enable it just to be sure. And this is one of the reasons that firewalld has come about... The same rule (unless it specifies a family or has addressees in the rule of that family) gets applied to both protocols.

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-14 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.07.2013 00:33, schrieb David Beveridge: On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: coming up with a link-local address inside a network which is *pure ipv4* on a server means *any* random device which does the same may bypass all your firewall rule

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-14 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.07.2013 08:53, schrieb James Hogarth: It might be a good idea, then, to configure ip6tables to deny everything and enable it just to be sure. And this is one of the reasons that firewalld has come about... The same rule (unless it specifies a family or has addressees in the rule of

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Reindl Harald
this is childish there is a difference between well aware ipv4 and all sorts of firewalls and proctections configured or startup in a network with ipv6 enabled without knowing it or not configured at all coming up with a link-local address inside a network which is *pure ipv4* on a server means

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread David Beveridge
On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 2:36 AM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: this is childish there is a difference between well aware ipv4 and all sorts of firewalls and proctections configured or startup in a network with ipv6 enabled without knowing it or not configured at all coming up

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Richard Sewill
The question, should IPv6, be disabled by default, is asked of people of the user list. At the moment, I am on the fence. Is there a compromise where, during the Fedora install, when the person is asked for some network information and asked for time zone and root password, can the question be

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/12/2013 09:36 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: coming up with a link-local address inside a network which is*pure ipv4* on a server means *any* random device which does the same may bypass all your firewall rule ssince iptables and ip6tables are two different services It might be a good idea,

RE: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-12 Thread J.Witvliet
If you got scared, why not keep the entire network down? If you want it, sure you can enable it ;-) Enjoy your weekend. -Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Fernando Lozano Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013

RE: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-12 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 12 Jul 2013, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: If you got scared, why not keep the entire network down? If you want it, sure you can enable it ;-) That is what I do. If I'm using my computer and need internet access, I just click on the start-listening icon. Said icon then becomes a

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv4/6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-12 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi, If you got scared, why not keep the entire network down? If you want it, sure you can enable it ;-) By your reasoning, Fedora doesn't need to provide secure installation defaults. Anyone could craft their own iptables rules and selinux policies if they feed a need for better security.