Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-24 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:01 AM, g wrote: > the fedora vs suse vs ubuntu troll is back. new name. same game. I really didn't understand if you are mis understanding something? Which new name and which same game? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subsc

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-22 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 22 December 2011 17:28:59 Tim wrote: > On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 01:05 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > Me ducks for cover > > Ducks don't provide much cover. You need something larger, like an > albatross. LOL! :-D Best, :-) Marko -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-22 Thread Roger
On 22/12/11 14:32, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 11:22 AM, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hund

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 12:25 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > The point is, that device has a fixed pool of IP addresses, all from > the same subnet, to pass out. Thus, as long as you're connecting to > that device, you're going to get an address from the same block. Not on my ISP. There's two or three di

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 01:05 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > Me ducks for cover Ducks don't provide much cover. You need something larger, like an albatross. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read mess

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:58 PM, Craig White wrote: >> conversation is my button, applied with gusto. >> Roger > evidently your aim isn't so good and you hit the reply button instead of > delete button. +1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscripti

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone > company's switch. Now a ways, router are used more often, some boxy type of thing. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subs

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 07:56 PM, Craig White wrote: it would be pretty hard to 'out troll' Marcel/Gilpel. Maybe, but I'm sure that Sgt. Detritus could manage it, and that Diamond is in a class by himself. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 03:11 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Thursday 22 December 2011 09:35:59 Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > > // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, > > > smiling in a diabolic way... // > > > > Does that me

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/22/2011 11:22 AM, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 > Craig White wrote: > >> On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. >>> couple of hundred = 80 (including th

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 12/22/2011 11:46 AM, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole I used to tell my children all

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Wed, 21 Dec 2011 19:46:26 -0700 Craig White wrote: > On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: > > > Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. > > > > couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) > > > > couple of hundred = hyperbole

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Thursday 22 December 2011 09:35:59 Ed Greshko wrote: > On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, > > smiling in a diabolic way... // > > Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of "troll"? :-) :-) Nah, that

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 10:31 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: > > Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. > > couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) > > couple of hundred = hyperbole I used to tell my children all the time - don't exaggerate... the

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/22/2011 10:09 AM, Roger wrote: > Ah yes! but the other couple of hundred ? gone. couple of hundred = 80 (including this one) couple of hundred = hyperbole -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof was to underestimate the ingenuity of compl

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Roger
On 22/12/11 11:58, Craig White wrote: On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 09:15 +1100, Roger wrote: As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again." The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation conversation is my button, applied with gusto. Roger ev

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/22/2011 09:05 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > // And now the *real* flame wars will begin... Me ducks for cover, smiling in > a > diabolic way... // Does that mean you are openly admitting to status of "troll"? :-) :-) -- A common mistake that people make when trying to design something co

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Wednesday 21 December 2011 06:58:08 Antonio Olivares wrote: > > Still take for example the Android platform which is Linux/GNU/Linux. Wait, is there really any GNU in the Android? I thought that Android was a textbook example of a Linux-based non-GNU OS... ;-) // And now the *real* flame war

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-12-22 at 09:15 +1100, Roger wrote: > > > As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again." > > > > > The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation > conversation is my button, applied with gusto. > Roger evidently your aim isn'

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread g
On 12/21/2011 08:15 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: >> only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, >> which brings down dsl modem. > > I used to do this type of stuff at an ISP. What you have is a fairly > long lease on an IP. When that lease

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Roger
As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again." The truly great thing about his increasingly irrelevant conversation conversation is my button, applied with gusto. Roger -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription opti

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/21 10:56, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/21/2011 07:40 AM, Clive Hills wrote: I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Can this just stop. Clive No. Mentioning him simply to end a thread doesn't count; you have to invoke him in anger. There is also the philosophical question regarding

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread g
On 12/21/2011 10:58 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: <> > As the great Yogi Berra once said "This is like deja vu all over again." > > Nearly the exact same question came up very recently on this > list...as well as the Ubuntu list...as well as the openSUSE list. > Even all of the responses seem nearly the

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 12:58 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone company's switch. Thank you, Patrick. I knew it had a simple name, but after eight years of not needing to think about it I'd forgotten. -- users mailing list users@lists.fed

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 12:25 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone > company isn't a modem or a router, but I can't remember any more what > it's called. It's a DSLAM (DSL Access Module), i.e. a card stuck into the phone company's switch. poc -- users mailing l

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block; (adsl-184-41-x-x.mem.bellsouth.net[184.41.x.x]) Sorry to respond twice. It only just occurred to me that I should comment on this as well. What your ADSL modem connects to at the phone compa

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 10:04 AM, g wrote: only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, which brings down dsl modem. I used to do this type of stuff at an ISP. What you have is a fairly long lease on an IP. When that lease expires, your modem has to renew it. There's a

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/21/2011 07:40 AM, Clive Hills wrote: I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Can this just stop. Clive No. Mentioning him simply to end a thread doesn't count; you have to invoke him in anger. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscripti

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread g
On 12/21/2011 11:57 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: <> > Your IP address is not necessarily constant. -=- only time it changes is when i do a full system power down, including ups, which brings down dsl modem. even then, when i power back up, i go back into same dsl block; (adsl-184-41-x-x.mem

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread 夜神 岩男
On 12/21/2011 09:19 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-) Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it you can use TOR, but we're getting way

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 15:40 +, Clive Hills wrote: > I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Gratuitous invocations don't count. > > Can this just stop. > Clive -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Mathematical Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu -- users mailing list users@lists.fedorap

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 9:10 PM, Clive Hills wrote: > Can this just stop. What to be stopped? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Maili

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Clive Hills
I invoke Godwin's Law and mention Hitler. Can this just stop. Clive -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a qu

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 8:53 PM, Tim wrote: > Though be aware that Live CDs are a poor demonstration.  For one thing, > they're a slow medium.  So don't be put off trying a proper installation > if the demonstration isn't that good. Oh yes, but I can install from Live CD only and then just updat

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 7:37 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > a) such deals are not uncommon in the commercial world. It's only that SUSE > uses this deal for marketing purposes, while there probably exist similar > deals, the public simply never will know about. > b) whom to consider the devil is (m

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 15:34 +0530, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > either Fedora or Ubuntu, but without actually practically seeing I > really cannot comments. Thanks to the developers that they created the > use of Live CDs without which it seems a more typical kind or thing to > judge a distro. Th

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Antonio Olivares
> c) Times are changing: Though Microsoft and Linux > definitely are not close friends, Microsoft's attitude > towards Linux has changed at least to some extend. Also, the > real threats to Linux and FLOSS is not Microsoft, anymore. > Yes, indeed times are changing. I hear that Microsoft's attit

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/21/2011 02:15 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning. Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-suc

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:45 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > This is entirely up to you :)  You decide.  If you like OpenSUSE, use it.   > Deals of sleeping with the devil by M$ should not discourage you right? > If you are on users list at fedoraproject, why not Fedora?  This community is > for

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Antonio Olivares
> >>> Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with > Microsoft... > > >> I really didn't understand this sentence and its > hidden (may be) meaning. > > > Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft > > > http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-ag

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> if they really wanted to know, they could check my ip address. :-) > Your IP address is not necessarily constant. And if you want to mask it > you can use TOR, but we're getting way OT now. +1 And what if he/she might be using some

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 06:12 +, g wrote: > On 12/21/2011 03:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > <> > > > Your email address says absolutely nothing about your nationality, > -=- > > my nationality is American, living United States of America. in respect > that Canadians are Americans living in

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/21/2011 01:18 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: This has been a great news for me that I am going switch to Linux from Windows XP, I am bored using it, many viruses and also high cost to maintain. Apart from it, I came to know that there are many linux and more specifical

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > All the best, Thanks Paul. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_lis

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-21 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:46 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html > It's up to you to draw your conclusions. > Some people consider this "agreement" to be the "dawn of mankind", "SUSE > betray

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/21/2011 07:54 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:53 AM, charles zeitler wrote: Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning. Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft http:/

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/20/2011 11:07 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: Be careful on your judgments ... this list sometimes goes off-topic without declaring it and it is best to give the benefit of the doubt until a one-on-one offends. I wish the list wo

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Yes. Pick one now and learn. You'll be surprised at how much better your > questions are once you've done the plunge. All three sound good ... just do > it rather than try to figure out what is best from a distance. Okay sure, I guess

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell
I guess I have to just pick one at random whether it is Fedora, or openSUSE or Ubuntu. Thanks. Yes. Pick one now and learn. You'll be surprised at how much better your questions are once you've done the plunge. All three sound good ... just do it rather than try to figure out what is best fr

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Be careful on your judgments ... this list sometimes goes off-topic without > declaring it and it is best to give the benefit of the doubt until a > one-on-one offends. I wish the list would stay on focus, but I also wish > people would

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > You need to just pick a distro, dive in, swim around, and then take another > look at what you should be using. http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html Seeing this,

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/20/2011 10:58 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM, g wrote: i have never understood why Americans are just Americans with out distinction as to what part. my ancestry is Greek and Scotch-Irish. I guess these are technical lists and anything you say for Ameri

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Until you are familiar enough with any version of Linux, this "issue" is > academic as you can't determine whether it applies to you or not. > You need to just pick a distro, dive in, swim around, and then take another > look at what y

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/20/2011 10:54 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-suse-renew-successful-interoperability-agreement.html necessarily imposes limitations (theoretical if not actual) on its development ('intellectual property concerns') Oh I see, this is r

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 11:42 AM, g wrote: > i have never understood why Americans are just Americans with out > distinction as to what part. > my ancestry is Greek and Scotch-Irish. I guess these are technical lists and anything you say for Americans, this is not the right place, I assume you

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 4:53 AM, charles zeitler wrote: >>> Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... >> I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning. > Opensuses' 'agreement' with Microsoft > http://www.suse.com/company/press/2011/7/microsoft-and-s

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > If you want to learn linux, then go and get Slackware! > If you want hand holding and flash + codecs get Mint based on Ubuntu, If you > want 2 learn Fedora then stay and use it.  If you want to use OpenSUSE you > can do it too. > If y

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 6:35 AM, Craig White wrote: >> fedora is truly not for someone who is oos minded. > possibly - but just out of curiosity, do you have any installed from or > have enabled rpmfusion-nonfree repo? >> suse/ubuntu are for simple oos minded users. > I think he asked about op

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:01 AM, g wrote: > On 12/20/2011 05:18 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > <> > > the fedora vs suse vs ubuntu troll is back. new name. same game. > > > i tried suse and gave it up. i tried ubuntu and gave it up. > > i am red hat/fedora/sl oriented because i do not mind pu

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread LinuxIsOne
On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 at 12:01 AM, g wrote: > On 12/20/2011 05:18 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > <> > > the fedora vs suse vs ubuntu troll is back. new name. same game. > > > i tried suse and gave it up. i tried ubuntu and gave it up. > > i am red hat/fedora/sl oriented because i do not mind pu

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread g
On 12/21/2011 03:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: <> > Your email address says absolutely nothing about your nationality, -=- my nationality is American, living United States of America. in respect that Canadians are Americans living in Canada. just as Mexicans are Americans living in Mexico. i

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread g
On 12/21/2011 01:05 AM, Craig White wrote: > On Tue, 2011-12-20 at 18:31 +, g wrote: > >> i am red hat/fedora/sl oriented because i do not mind putting out >> effort to administer them to keep them running. > > ??? > -=- what '???' ? >> fedora is truly not for someone who is oos mi

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 01:53 +, g wrote: > On 12/21/2011 12:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > <> > > > Which country would that be? (rhetorical question of course). There are > > lots of list members from lots of different countries. Don't assume > > we're all from the same place. > -=- > >

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread g
On 12/21/2011 12:36 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: <> > Which country would that be? (rhetorical question of course). There are > lots of list members from lots of different countries. Don't assume > we're all from the same place. -=- true. but if any are in wonder, they can always have a look at

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Craig White
On Wed, 2011-12-21 at 01:17 +, g wrote: > On 12/21/2011 12:21 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: > <> > > >> are you against our constitution? > > > Seems the government is :( Patriot Act! Bin Laden is apparently dead, US > > Navy Seals ran > > # rm -rf /bin/laden > -=- > > the "USA PATRIOT Act"

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread g
On 12/21/2011 12:21 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: <> >> are you against our constitution? > Seems the government is :( Patriot Act! Bin Laden is apparently dead, US > Navy Seals ran > # rm -rf /bin/laden -=- the "USA PATRIOT Act" is not against our constitution. it *is* against _terrorism_. >

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2011-12-20 at 18:31 +, g wrote: > i am red hat/fedora/sl oriented because i do not mind putting out > effort to administer them to keep them running. ??? > > fedora is truly not for someone who is oos minded. possibly - but just out of curiosity, do you have any install

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Craig White
On Tue, 2011-12-20 at 16:21 -0800, Antonio Olivares wrote: > > > I think the first inappropriate post belongs to Mr. > > Zeitler. Putting > > > his quote at the start of every message is equivalent > > to: > > -=- > > > > 2 things that make this country so great are; > > > > freedom of speech.

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-12-20 at 23:03 +, g wrote: > 2 things that make this country so great are; Which country would that be? (rhetorical question of course). There are lots of list members from lots of different countries. Don't assume we're all from the same place. poc -- users mailing list users@

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-12-20 at 21:29 +, Alan Cox wrote: > > Of course, such messages could be interpreted as eyeballs paying for > > offered help; a personalized Google business model - I give you help > > for free, you give me your attention on my message. > > Or you could just treat it as that person

Re: [OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Antonio Olivares
> > I think the first inappropriate post belongs to Mr. > Zeitler.  Putting > > his quote at the start of every message is equivalent > to: > -=- > > 2 things that make this country so great are; > >   freedom of speech. > >   freedom of religious belief. > > > are you against our constitution

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread charles zeitler
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 12:01 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:04 PM, charles zeitler wrote: > >> Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... > > I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden

[OT] Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread g
On 12/20/2011 09:08 PM, stan wrote: <> > I think the first inappropriate post belongs to Mr. Zeitler. Putting > his quote at the start of every message is equivalent to: -=- 2 things that make this country so great are; freedom of speech. freedom of religious belief. are you against our

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread jdow
On 2011/12/20 13:29, Alan Cox wrote: Mae fy hofrenfad i yn llawn llysywod Your hovercraft is too full of eels? (Thank Google for that humor.) {^_-} -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listin

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/20/2011 1:59 PM, Ted Roche wrote: Are you suggesting, "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in what you send?" We could do worse. +1 -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Ted Roche
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Alan Cox wrote: > > Or you could just treat it as that persons little .sig quirk of their > own, just like all the others people have > > Alan > --- > Mae fy hofrenfad i yn llawn llysywod > -- Are you suggesting, "Be liberal in what you accept, and conservative in

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:08:53 -0700 stan wrote: > On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:07:34 -0800 > Paul Allen Newell wrote: > > > As far as I am concerned, you are not wrong. > > Darryl's post is not appropriate for this list > > I think the first inappropriate post belongs to Mr. Zeitler. Putting > his q

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread stan
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 12:07:34 -0800 Paul Allen Newell wrote: > As far as I am concerned, you are not wrong. > Darryl's post is not appropriate for this list I think the first inappropriate post belongs to Mr. Zeitler. Putting his quote at the start of every message is equivalent to: Every Chris

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/20/2011 12:07 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: As far as I am concerned, you are not wrong. Darryl's post is not appropriate for this list Thank you, Paul. I doubt, however, that Darryl meant to take things that far off-topic or realized what might happen. -- users mailing list users@list

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2011-12-20 Thread stan
On Tue, 20 Dec 2011 14:45:54 -0500 "Darryl L. Pierce" wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:34:00AM -0600, charles zeitler wrote: > > Do what thou wilt > > shall be the whole of the Law. > > What is the law? > No spill blood. > Who makes the rules? > Someone else. > :D I think the full quote is

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 12/20/2011 11:58 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/20/2011 11:45 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:34:00AM -0600, charles zeitler wrote: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. What is the law? No spill blood. Who makes the rules? Someone else. :D I'll tell yo

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/20/2011 11:45 AM, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:34:00AM -0600, charles zeitler wrote: Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. What is the law? No spill blood. Who makes the rules? Someone else. :D I'll tell you what, people, how about if we stop this

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Darryl L. Pierce
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:34:00AM -0600, charles zeitler wrote: > Do what thou wilt > shall be the whole of the Law. What is the law? No spill blood. Who makes the rules? Someone else. :D -- Darryl L. Pierce, Sr. Software Engineer @ Red Hat, Inc. Delivering value year after year. Red Hat

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 20.12.2011, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just > wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and > for rest of the distributions more. Do a saerch and locate all the distribution of your interest. Download a li

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Antonio Olivares
> Well said, but I just wanted to learn the Linux from the > basics -> > right from the first step. So if Fedora really gives all > such issues, > should I go to openSUSE? > -- If you want to learn linux, then go and get Slackware! If you want hand holding and flash + codecs get Mint based on U

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread g
On 12/20/2011 05:18 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: <> the fedora vs suse vs ubuntu troll is back. new name. same game. i tried suse and gave it up. i tried ubuntu and gave it up. i am red hat/fedora/sl oriented because i do not mind putting out effort to administer them to keep them running.

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:04 PM, charles zeitler wrote: > Fedora is not constrained by cooperating with Microsoft... I really didn't understand this sentence and its hidden (may be) meaning. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: http

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:04 PM, charles zeitler wrote: > Do what thou wilt > shall  be the whole  of the Law. Yeah correct but since I was confused and new, so suggestions put a great deal of work for me, after all community members are so much experienced! -- users mailing list users@lists.f

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Swapnil Bhartiya wrote: >> Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just >> wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and >> for rest of the distributions more --  I would really not look for I >> would be confused more

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Rameshwar Kr. Sharma
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: > Notably Fedora has some features that may make it not suitable for everyone. > Fedora versions are only supported for 13 months, so you will be looking > at doing upgrades once (or twice if you don't want to skip releases) a > year. > Fe

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread charles zeitler
Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law. On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 11:18 AM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: > Hello community, > > This has been a great news for me that I am going switch to Linux from > Windows XP, > opensuse comes in mind, then some other distribution... Fedora is no

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Swapnil Bhartiya
On 12/20/2011 06:18 PM, Rameshwar Kr. Sharma wrote: Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and for rest of the distributions more -- I would really not look for I would be confused more. Why is it negati

Re: Fedora vs openSUSE

2011-12-20 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 22:48:48 +0530, "Rameshwar Kr. Sharma" wrote: > > Now since my mind has become a little negative for Ubuntu, I just > wanted to know the truth (remaining) between opensuse and Fedora, and > for rest of the distributions more -- I would really not look for I > would be c