Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-28 Thread Adam Tong
Hi, That's a very good idea. Is there any kind of dongles that are more suitable for fedora or I can pick any wifi enabled one? Thank you --- On Mon, 3/28/11, bruce wrote: From: bruce Subject: Re: wifi troubleshooting To: "Community support for Fedora users" Date: Monday,

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-28 Thread bruce
Hi Adam. Since you have a usb port, do you have a separate usb/wireless dongle that you can insert in the usb port to see if it gets recognized by the OS. you can get cheap dlink wireless dongles to test (and then take back to the store!!). I've always got a cheap dlink to use as a test for usb

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-28 Thread Adam Tong
Hi, >This version of Linux DOES indeed support rt2xxx chipsets, so I am at a loss >as to why it is not detecting your USB wifi device which has this chipset. I appreciate your help. You know, this is an old laptop that came with windows. This is the kind of deal windows make with some manufactu

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-28 Thread JD
On Mon, Mar 28, 2011 at 11:26 AM, Adam Tong wrote: > Hi, > > > > > This means you have not configured your network. > > But how could you when the kernl has not detected > > your wifi card? > > > > As I had indicated before, kernel 2.6.35 is the first > > kernel > > that started supporting the R

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-28 Thread Adam Tong
Hi, > > This means you have not configured your network. > But how could you when the kernl has not detected > your wifi card? > > As I had indicated before, kernel 2.6.35 is the first > kernel > that started  supporting the Ralink rt28xxx chipset. > > What kernel version are you running? Have

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-27 Thread JD
On 03/27/2011 05:38 PM, Adam Tong wrote: >> If you are still using the rt2870 based USB wifi device, >> please run >> >> lsmod | grep rt2 >> >> and show the output. >> > [root@localhost wpa_supplicant]# lsmod | grep rt2 > [root@localhost wpa_supplicant]# >> Also, show be sure that you have configur

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-27 Thread Adam Tong
> If you are still using the rt2870 based USB wifi device, > please run > > lsmod | grep rt2 > > and show the output. > [root@localhost wpa_supplicant]# lsmod | grep rt2 [root@localhost wpa_supplicant]# > Also, show be sure that you have configured > /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-26 Thread JD
On 03/26/2011 10:24 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: edik landave wrote: iwconfig wlan0 essid MY_Access_Point_SSID echo $? #again this should be 0 && that means that It associated you to your AP or router Why can't the Fedora/Linux WiFi interface show

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-26 Thread JD
On 03/26/2011 07:40 AM, Adam Tong wrote: > Hi, > > below you'll find the output of ifconfig and iwconfig. > >> What is the output of >> >> iwconfig > lono wireless extensions. > > eth0 no wireless extensions. > > wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:off/any >Mode:Managed Access

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-26 Thread Genes MailLists
On 03/26/2011 01:46 PM, Steven Stern wrote: > On 03/26/2011 12:24 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> edik landave wrote: > It does. Left click on nm-applet (the signal strength bars) and you'll > see a list of available WiFi networks. > > Does it show all the access points for the same SSID now ?

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-26 Thread Steven Stern
On 03/26/2011 12:24 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > edik landave wrote: > >> iwconfig wlan0 essid MY_Access_Point_SSID >> echo $? >> #again this should be 0 && that means that It associated you to your >> AP or router > > Why can't the Fedora/Linux WiFi interface > show you available access points, l

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-26 Thread Timothy Murphy
edik landave wrote: > iwconfig wlan0 essid MY_Access_Point_SSID > echo $? > #again this should be 0 && that means that It associated you to your > AP or router Why can't the Fedora/Linux WiFi interface show you available access points, like Windows, and ask you to choose the one you want? -- Ti

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-26 Thread edik landave
Adam, First disable momentarily any security on the Access Point/Router just to test the connectivity. The on the computer try first as root: iwconfig wlan0 mode Managed echo $? #the reply should be 0 once this is done, try iwconfig wlan0 essid MY_Access_Point_SSID echo $? #again this should be

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-26 Thread Adam Tong
Hi, below you'll find the output of ifconfig and iwconfig. > What is the output of > > iwconfig lono wireless extensions. eth0 no wireless extensions. wlan0 IEEE 802.11bg ESSID:off/any Mode:Managed Access Point: Not-Associated Tx-Power=0 dBm Retry

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-25 Thread JD
On 03/25/2011 02:45 PM, Adam Tong wrote: > Hi, > > I upgraded to F14 now. I still have the same problem. Using the GUI I can see > that the correct name of the card is displayed in System -> Administration > -> network -> devices -> double click. > Here is the output of lspci: > -

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-25 Thread Adam Tong
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Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-21 Thread Adam Tong
Thanks guys i'm gonna update my os first and i'll be back to you with more details if still does not work. Thanks again --- On Mon, 3/21/11, mike cloaked wrote: > From: mike cloaked > Subject: Re: wifi troubleshooting > To: "Community support for Fedora users" &

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-21 Thread mike cloaked
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 3:29 AM, Adam Tong wrote: > Hi, > > My fedora 12 detects my wifi card. But i'm unable to activate the device. > When I try to do that I have the following error: > Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : >    SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. This Erro

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-20 Thread JD
On 03/20/2011 08:29 PM, Adam Tong wrote: > Hi, > > My fedora 12 detects my wifi card. But i'm unable to activate the device. > When I try to do that I have the following error: > Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : > SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. > > Thank you > >

Re: wifi troubleshooting

2011-03-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/20/2011 08:29 PM, Adam Tong wrote: > Hi, > > My fedora 12 detects my wifi card. But i'm unable to activate the device. > When I try to do that I have the following error: > Error for wireless request "Set Mode" (8B06) : > SET failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument. > Fedora 12 is pa

Re: wifi does not work

2011-03-17 Thread Adam Tong
I wanted to say that i think the wifi card is not recognized by fedora (just mispelling error) --- On Thu, 3/17/11, Adam Tong wrote: > From: Adam Tong > Subject: wifi does not work > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Date: Thursday, March 17, 2011, 8:49 PM > Hi, > > I don't have any icon of

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/17/2011 04:43 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > they replied each time that the line was fine, > and "the problem lies between modem and computer" > (a phrase they seem to like). A convenient cop-out IMAO. I did tech support for a major ISP for over seven years and we were always expected to h

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-17 Thread Rick Stevens
On 02/17/2011 09:02 AM, Tim wrote: > On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 11:23 +1030, Tim wrote: >> Ever been annoyed by visitors with mobile phones? Keep a metal >> biscuit tin handy to seal them into. ;-) > > Addendum: Seeing as nobody took the bait... Yes, it was intentional > that I didn't say whether yo

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-17 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 11:23 +1030, Tim wrote: > Ever been annoyed by visitors with mobile phones? Keep a metal > biscuit tin handy to seal them into. ;-) Addendum: Seeing as nobody took the bait... Yes, it was intentional that I didn't say whether you seal the visitors, or their phones, into t

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-17 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 13:43 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Just to keep the story up-to-date, > a third modem/router from TI (Telecom Italia) > seems to have solved the problem completely; > the connection has held up for a day so far. > > The history is a little puzzling to me. > The connection

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-17 Thread Robert Nichols
On 02/16/2011 11:09 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > On 02/16/2011 11:42 PM, Robert Nichols wrote: >> On 02/16/2011 09:54 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >>> On 02/16/2011 07:56 PM, Tim wrote: On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 15:54 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > But I'm not in a built-up area. > I do se

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-17 Thread Craig White
On Thu, 2011-02-17 at 13:43 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Sadly, I've come to the conclusion that the ADSL modem > is just another neuron in the brain, > and its failure is tantamount to a minor stroke ... just an FYI - ADSL is the most common used technology in the US by the telephone compan

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-17 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 02/17/2011 03:01 AM, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 22:54 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> We often mention at the 802 wireless sessions (both 802.11 and 802.15) >> how amazing it is that this stuff works at all! > I feel much the same. It's all well and good when you're not sharing > airs

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-17 Thread Timothy Murphy
Timothy Murphy wrote: > I'm having terrible problems with my modem/router at the moment. > The WiFi connection on my Thinkpad laptop drops every 10 minutes or so. > I have to restart the network service to get the connection back. Just to keep the story up-to-date, a third modem/router from TI (T

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-17 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 22:54 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > We often mention at the 802 wireless sessions (both 802.11 and 802.15) > how amazing it is that this stuff works at all! I feel much the same. It's all well and good when you're not sharing airspace with anybody, but in a crowded locati

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 02/16/2011 11:42 PM, Robert Nichols wrote: > On 02/16/2011 09:54 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> On 02/16/2011 07:56 PM, Tim wrote: >>> On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 15:54 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: But I'm not in a built-up area. I do see one other (hidden) network, but it is quite weak. >>>

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Robert Nichols
On 02/16/2011 09:54 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > On 02/16/2011 07:56 PM, Tim wrote: >> On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 15:54 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: >>> But I'm not in a built-up area. >>> I do see one other (hidden) network, but it is quite weak. >> As Patrick said, cordless phones can interfere. Plu

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 02/16/2011 07:56 PM, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 15:54 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> But I'm not in a built-up area. >> I do see one other (hidden) network, but it is quite weak. > As Patrick said, cordless phones can interfere. Plus leaky microwave > ovens, wireless home security equi

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 15:54 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > But I'm not in a built-up area. > I do see one other (hidden) network, but it is quite weak. As Patrick said, cordless phones can interfere. Plus leaky microwave ovens, wireless home security equipment, gigaHertz video senders, lighting d

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 09:59 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Yet another AP fighting over limited channel availablity. In which case, you could try removing the offending AP's antenna, or put it inside a tin box. That'll probably take it sufficiently off-air. Ever been annoyed by visitors with m

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread JB
JB gmail.com> writes: > ... So, are you still in the mood of making human sacrifices ? :-) Have you thought about your modem/router sending "keep alive" messages that will time out in 10 min and disconnect you if not answered (line not busy) ? JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedorapro

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 15:54 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > > A VERY common problem with WiFi is channel selection. If 2 APs have > > overlapping coverage and on the same channel, this can cause a station > > to drop its connection. > > Thanks for the suggestion. > I'll

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 02/16/2011 09:28 AM, fred smith wrote: > On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 09:12:56AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> On 02/15/2011 05:04 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >>> I'm having terrible problems with my modem/router at the moment. >>> The WiFi connection on my Thinkpad laptop drops every 10 minutes or

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Timothy Murphy
Robert Moskowitz wrote: > A VERY common problem with WiFi is channel selection. If 2 APs have > overlapping coverage and on the same channel, this can cause a station > to drop its connection. Thanks for the suggestion. I'll try changing the channel. But I'm not in a built-up area. I do see one

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Timothy Murphy
fred smith wrote: > you could use a second wireless router: hardwire its input port to > the (an) output port on the modem/router you've got. configure your > "new" router to use dhcp, so it should "just work" when talking to > the vendor-provided router. configure YOUR "new" router to provide > s

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Timothy Murphy
Aaron Konstam wrote: >> But what is relevant to Fedora, I think, is the curious reaction >> to a temporarily dropped connection, >> which seems to differ between the network and NetworkManager services, >> which in turn differ considerably from behaviour under Windows XP. >> (I have to keep this o

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread fred smith
On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 09:12:56AM -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > On 02/15/2011 05:04 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > I'm having terrible problems with my modem/router at the moment. > > The WiFi connection on my Thinkpad laptop drops every 10 minutes or so. > > I have to restart the network servic

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 02/15/2011 05:04 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I'm having terrible problems with my modem/router at the moment. > The WiFi connection on my Thinkpad laptop drops every 10 minutes or so. > I have to restart the network service to get the connection back. > > I'm not sure what exactly wakes the mode

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread JB
Timothy Murphy eircom.net> writes: > ... Use NetworkManager to tell you more about connection state. NetworkManager (8) - network management daemon Turn on debugging. JB -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedo

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Wed, 2011-02-16 at 14:14 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Joe Zeff wrote: > > > On 02/15/2011 02:04 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >> I'm having terrible problems with my modem/router at the moment. > >> The WiFi connection on my Thinkpad laptop drops every 10 minutes or so. > >> I have to restart t

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Timothy Murphy
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> > I'm having terrible problems with my modem/router at the moment. >> > The WiFi connection on my Thinkpad laptop drops every 10 minutes or so. >> > I have to restart the network service to get the connection back. >> >> Everything you've written tells me that this i

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Timothy Murphy
Robert Nichols wrote: > On 02/15/2011 04:04 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> >> I tried using another modem (Billion), but it needs a password >> and the password my ISP sent me does not seem to work. >> (It is their modem.) > > It is quite common for a router to be configured to prohibit > administr

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-16 Thread Timothy Murphy
Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/15/2011 02:04 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: >> I'm having terrible problems with my modem/router at the moment. >> The WiFi connection on my Thinkpad laptop drops every 10 minutes or so. >> I have to restart the network service to get the connection back. > > Everything you've

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-15 Thread Robert Nichols
On 02/15/2011 04:04 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > I tried using another modem (Billion), but it needs a password > and the password my ISP sent me does not seem to work. > (It is their modem.) It is quite common for a router to be configured to prohibit administrative access from a wireless connec

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 16:01 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/15/2011 03:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it's a password problem, > > especially as Timothy didn't say it was. > > Neither did I. However, the fact that the default password doesn't work > i

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/15/2011 03:49 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it's a password problem, > especially as Timothy didn't say it was. Neither did I. However, the fact that the default password doesn't work implies that the modem came mis-configured and that's what I'm r

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2011-02-15 at 14:33 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/15/2011 02:04 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > I'm having terrible problems with my modem/router at the moment. > > The WiFi connection on my Thinkpad laptop drops every 10 minutes or so. > > I have to restart the network service to get the co

Re: WiFi: why not a diagram showing access points?

2011-02-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/15/2011 02:04 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > I'm having terrible problems with my modem/router at the moment. > The WiFi connection on my Thinkpad laptop drops every 10 minutes or so. > I have to restart the network service to get the connection back. Everything you've written tells me that thi

Re: Wifi Monitor

2010-08-18 Thread Bill Davidsen
Genes MailLists wrote: > On 08/17/2010 10:19 PM, Dick Roark wrote: >> How about NetworkManager? Works fine for me: > > >Dont think it shows all the AP's and their MAC addresses, nor their > current quality etc - i dont even think it shows the mac for the AP > you're currently connected to -

Re: Wifi Monitor

2010-08-17 Thread Genes MailLists
On 08/17/2010 10:19 PM, Dick Roark wrote: > How about NetworkManager? Works fine for me: Dont think it shows all the AP's and their MAC addresses, nor their current quality etc - i dont even think it shows the mac for the AP you're currently connected to - it certainly doesn't show you all t

Re: Wifi Monitor

2010-08-17 Thread Dick Roark
How about NetworkManager? Works fine for me: http://projects.gnome.org/NetworkManager/ On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 4:15 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 12:25 -0400, binary...@comcast.net wrote: > > Is there a Wifi Monitor in the Fedora Repo ? > > > > Don't want any KDE Plasmoids ,

Re: Wifi Monitor

2010-08-17 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 12:25 -0400, binary...@comcast.net wrote: > Is there a Wifi Monitor in the Fedora Repo ? > > Don't want any KDE Plasmoids , they suck . There used to be but I can't find it anymore. -- Aaron Konstam -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or c

Re: Wifi Monitor

2010-08-17 Thread nux
binary...@comcast.net writes: > Is there a Wifi Monitor in the Fedora Repo ? Good old gkrellm? There even is a gkrellm-wifi package available in Fedora. > > Don't want any KDE Plasmoids , they suck . > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe or change subscr

Re: Wifi Monitor

2010-08-17 Thread JD
On 08/17/2010 09:25 AM, binary...@comcast.net wrote: >Is there a Wifi Monitor in the Fedora Repo ? > > Don't want any KDE Plasmoids , they suck . Why kind of monitor are you looking for? Some time ago, in an older version of kde, it used to be bundled with kwifimanager which gave you a gui

Re: WiFi security (was wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi)

2010-06-23 Thread Joel Rees
On Jun 24, 2010, at 1:10 AM, JD wrote: > > > On 06/23/2010 01:24 AM, Joel Rees was caught red-handed while > writing:: >> On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:14 AM, JD wrote: >> >> >>> >>> On 06/22/2010 07:27 PM, Darr was caught red-handed while writing:: >>> On Tuesday, 22 June, 2010 @22:00 zulu, JD s

Re: WiFi security (was wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi)

2010-06-23 Thread JD
On 06/23/2010 01:24 AM, Joel Rees was caught red-handed while writing:: > On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:14 AM, JD wrote: > > >> >> On 06/22/2010 07:27 PM, Darr was caught red-handed while writing:: >> >>> On Tuesday, 22 June, 2010 @22:00 zulu, JD scribed: >>> >>> >>> WPA2-PSK + AE

Re: WiFi security (was wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi)

2010-06-23 Thread Joel Rees
On Jun 23, 2010, at 11:14 AM, JD wrote: > > > On 06/22/2010 07:27 PM, Darr was caught red-handed while writing:: >> On Tuesday, 22 June, 2010 @22:00 zulu, JD scribed: >> >> >>> WPA2-PSK + AES : I thought it is not possible for inter-customer >>> traffic to figure out the keys because once the con

Re: WiFi security (was wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi)

2010-06-22 Thread JD
On 06/22/2010 07:27 PM, Darr was caught red-handed while writing:: > On Tuesday, 22 June, 2010 @22:00 zulu, JD scribed: > > >> WPA2-PSK + AES : I thought it is not possible for inter-customer >> traffic to figure out the keys because once the connection is >> established, >> keys change dynam

Re: WiFi security (was wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi)

2010-06-22 Thread Darr
On Tuesday, 22 June, 2010 @22:00 zulu, JD scribed: > WPA2-PSK + AES : I thought it is not possible for inter-customer > traffic to figure out the keys because once the connection is > established, > keys change dynamically per the protocol. Perhaps a an expert on the > WPA2-PSK protocl can shed s

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread JD
On 06/22/2010 03:17 PM, Tim was caught red-handed while writing:: > On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 13:23 -0700, JD wrote: > >> Choose WPA2 with AES (aka CCMP), and you're safe >> (until someone comes along and exposes to the world >> that it is breakable). >> > Well, to be pedantic, if someone c

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 13:23 -0700, JD wrote: > Choose WPA2 with AES (aka CCMP), and you're safe > (until someone comes along and exposes to the world > that it is breakable). Well, to be pedantic, if someone cracks it but doesn't publicly prove it, you're still unsafe. ;-) You really have to won

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread bruce
hey guys... time to change the subject/name.. give that the initial OP thread has diverged!! On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:01 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > > Bruno Wolff III writes: >> That depends on your threat model. If you don't trust the wireless operator >> the wireless encryption isn't

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread JD
On 06/22/2010 02:01 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht was caught red-handed while writing:: > Bruno Wolff III writes: > >> That depends on your threat model. If you don't trust the wireless operator >> the wireless encryption isn't that big of a deal since you need to use an >> encrypted tunnel in

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread Bill Davidsen
bruce wrote: > hey guys > > if you're using starbucks, or nay other public access, aren't you > pretty much constrained to having to deal with an open network. or are > you implying that you can implement an encrypted connection on the nic > setup? > Not clear to me if you can or not, because

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
Bruno Wolff III writes: > That depends on your threat model. If you don't trust the wireless operator > the wireless encryption isn't that big of a deal since you need to use an > encrypted tunnel in any case. No kidding. You should use some form of end-to-end encryption any time you are on the

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 09:25 -0700, JD wrote: > > On 06/22/2010 04:40 AM, Tim was caught red-handed while writing:: > > On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 11:31 -0700, JD wrote: > > > >> Also, WPA encryotion can be broken by a notebook PC in under 1 minute. > >> WPA (and WPA2) encryption that uses TKP can

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 13:23:06 -0700, JD wrote: > > Right! That's why I said even if you choose WPA2 > along with TKIP, you're toast! > Choose WPA2 with AES (aka CCMP), and you're safe > (until someone comes along and exposes to the world > that it is breakable). That depends on your threat

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread JD
On 06/22/2010 12:54 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht was caught red-handed while writing:: > Tim writes: > >> On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 11:31 -0700, JD wrote: >> >>> Also, WPA encryotion can be broken by a notebook PC in under 1 minute. >>> WPA (and WPA2) encryption that uses TKP can also be bro

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 07:06 -0700, bruce wrote: > hey guys > > if you're using starbucks, or nay other public access, aren't you > pretty much constrained to having to deal with an open network. or are > you implying that you can implement an encrypted connection on the nic > setup? > > thank

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
Tim writes: > On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 11:31 -0700, JD wrote: >> Also, WPA encryotion can be broken by a notebook PC in under 1 minute. >> WPA (and WPA2) encryption that uses TKP can also be broken in under 1 >> minute. So far AES seems to be invulnerable (as far whatever has been >> printed publicl

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread JD
On 06/22/2010 04:40 AM, Tim was caught red-handed while writing:: > On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 11:31 -0700, JD wrote: > >> Also, WPA encryotion can be broken by a notebook PC in under 1 minute. >> WPA (and WPA2) encryption that uses TKP can also be broken in under 1 >> minute. So far AES seems to

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2010-06-22 at 07:06 -0700, bruce wrote: > if you're using starbucks, or nay other public access, aren't you > pretty much constrained to having to deal with an open network. or are > you implying that you can implement an encrypted connection on the nic > setup? That had nothing to do with

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread bruce
right just wanted to make sure this was/is clarified in case others see this in the future... or.. you can always ssh into a secure system, and go from there.. but at the same time.. even if you are on an open network.. accesing secure "https" sites on your browser on your machine will be sa

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread fred smith
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 07:06:40AM -0700, bruce wrote: > hey guys > > if you're using starbucks, or nay other public access, aren't you > pretty much constrained to having to deal with an open network. or are > you implying that you can implement an encrypted connection on the nic > setup? Ye

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread bruce
hey guys if you're using starbucks, or nay other public access, aren't you pretty much constrained to having to deal with an open network. or are you implying that you can implement an encrypted connection on the nic setup? thanks On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 4:40 AM, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2010-

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-22 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2010-06-21 at 11:31 -0700, JD wrote: > Also, WPA encryotion can be broken by a notebook PC in under 1 minute. > WPA (and WPA2) encryption that uses TKP can also be broken in under 1 > minute. So far AES seems to be invulnerable (as far whatever has been > printed publicly). I'd heard that

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-21 Thread JD
On 06/21/2010 09:09 AM, Bill Davidsen was caught red-handed while writing:: > bruce wrote: > >> hey. >> >> looking at using the wifi at starbucks, given that it's going to be >> free in july! >> >> i'm looking for detailed steps from anyone who's actually used a >> public starbucks wifi acces

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-21 Thread Bill Davidsen
bruce wrote: > hey. > > looking at using the wifi at starbucks, given that it's going to be > free in july! > > i'm looking for detailed steps from anyone who's actually used a > public starbucks wifi access. > > my system is fedora, running network-setup. i don't have/use/want > networkmanager!

Re: wifi access from laptop to starbucks wifi

2010-06-19 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 06/19/2010 01:34 PM, bruce wrote: > hey. > > looking at using the wifi at starbucks, given that it's going to be > free in july! > > i'm looking for detailed steps from anyone who's actually used a > public starbucks wifi access. > > my system is fedora, running network-setup. i don't have/use

Re: Wifi link iwl3945

2010-04-18 Thread Kurian Thayil
On Sat, 2010-04-17 at 20:36 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > On 04/17/2010 07:56 PM, Kurian Thayil wrote: > > > > > > > On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 21:07 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > > > > > On 04/15/2010 08:42 PM, Kurian Thayil wrote: > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > > > Since the installati

Re: Wifi link iwl3945

2010-04-17 Thread Paolo Galtieri
On 04/17/2010 07:56 PM, Kurian Thayil wrote: On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 21:07 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: On 04/15/2010 08:42 PM, Kurian Thayil wrote: Hi All, Since the installation of F12 in my Acer Aspire 580 series laptop with Intel 3945ABG wireless module, I am having the issue where my Wi

Re: Wifi link iwl3945

2010-04-17 Thread Kurian Thayil
On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 21:07 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: > On 04/15/2010 08:42 PM, Kurian Thayil wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > Since the installation of F12 in my Acer Aspire 580 series laptop > > with Intel 3945ABG wireless module, I am having the issue where my > > Wifi link gets deactivated

Re: Wifi link iwl3945

2010-04-15 Thread Paolo Galtieri
On 04/15/2010 08:42 PM, Kurian Thayil wrote: Hi All, Since the installation of F12 in my Acer Aspire 580 series laptop with Intel 3945ABG wireless module, I am having the issue where my Wifi link gets deactivated and activated (disconnects & connects) frequently. AP is a Netgear WGR router wi

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