Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-19 Thread Tim via users
On Sun, 2021-07-18 at 19:38 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > The %errorlevel% is 10 which means "I can't do it, waah!" > (or specifically "Conversion failed due to error while applying GPT > layout.") > > So I'll probably just give Windows 11 a pass :-). I'd give it a fail, tell it to go back and repe

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-18 Thread Tom Horsley
In other Windows 11 VM news: I experimented with the mbr2gpt tool in Windows 10 to see if it could really switch my KVM to UEFI. The /validate option works fine. It says my disk is good to convert, then the /convert option says: Cannot perform layout conversion. Error: 0x0001 The %errorlevel

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-18 Thread Stephen Morris
On 15/7/21 16:15, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 7/14/21 4:37 PM, Stephen Morris wrote: On 14/7/21 22:43, Ed Greshko wrote: On 14/07/2021 20:30, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 21:34 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: The OS in the VM can't see any of the hardware on the host system unless

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-17 Thread mcgarrett
> On July 17, 2021 at 11:03 PM Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > On 2021-07-17 6:01 p.m., mcgarrett wrote: > > > >> On July 16, 2021 at 6:36 AM Patrick O'Callaghan > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Thu, 2021-07-15 at 16:47 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > >>> On 7/15/21 3:47 PM, mcgarrett wrote: > Is the

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-17 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 2021-07-17 6:01 p.m., mcgarrett wrote: On July 16, 2021 at 6:36 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Thu, 2021-07-15 at 16:47 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 7/15/21 3:47 PM, mcgarrett wrote: Is there some app that will tell you if your mobo (or cpu) has the tpm? If you're running Linux, you

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-17 Thread mcgarrett
> On July 16, 2021 at 6:36 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Thu, 2021-07-15 at 16:47 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 7/15/21 3:47 PM, mcgarrett wrote: > > > Is there some app that will tell you if your mobo (or cpu) has the > > > tpm? > > > > If you're running Linux, you can check with

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2021-07-15 at 16:47 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 7/15/21 3:47 PM, mcgarrett wrote: > > Is there some app that will tell you if your mobo (or cpu) has the > > tpm? > > If you're running Linux, you can check with "ls /dev/tpm*" or > "journalctl | grep -i tpm".  In Windows, it should be so

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-15 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/15/21 3:47 PM, mcgarrett wrote: Is there some app that will tell you if your mobo (or cpu) has the tpm? If you're running Linux, you can check with "ls /dev/tpm*" or "journalctl | grep -i tpm". In Windows, it should be somewhere in the device manager. __

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-15 Thread mcgarrett
> On July 14, 2021 at 8:13 PM Chris Adams wrote: > > > Once upon a time, Stephen Morris said: > > I thought the TPM was in the cpu, because someone I work with was > > indicating it was in the cpu, and in my motherboard's bios the > > activation/deactivation of the fTPM is in the cpu configura

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-14 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/14/21 4:37 PM, Stephen Morris wrote: On 14/7/21 22:43, Ed Greshko wrote: On 14/07/2021 20:30, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 21:34 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: The OS in the VM can't see any of the hardware on the host system unless the VM specifically passes it through.

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-14 Thread Ed Greshko
On 15/07/2021 08:44, Tom Horsley wrote: Speaking of Windows 11 requiring UEFI. I found this article that says Windows 10 has tools already shipped with it to convert Windows 10 from BIOS to UEFI: https://www.maketecheasier.com/convert-legacy-bios-uefi-windows10/ I may copy my VM image to a safe

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-14 Thread Tom Horsley
Speaking of Windows 11 requiring UEFI. I found this article that says Windows 10 has tools already shipped with it to convert Windows 10 from BIOS to UEFI: https://www.maketecheasier.com/convert-legacy-bios-uefi-windows10/ I may copy my VM image to a safe backup location and see if I can convert

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-14 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Stephen Morris said: > I thought the TPM was in the cpu, because someone I work with was > indicating it was in the cpu, and in my motherboard's bios the > activation/deactivation of the fTPM is in the cpu configuration > section. There are different implementations of the TPM s

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-14 Thread Stephen Morris
On 14/7/21 22:43, Ed Greshko wrote: On 14/07/2021 20:30, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 21:34 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: The OS in the VM can't see any of the hardware on the host system unless the VM specifically passes it through.  Normally, all "hardware" in the VM is vir

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-14 Thread Stephen Morris
On 15/7/21 04:25, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 7/14/21 4:34 AM, Stephen Morris wrote: I thought that if the tpm is in the cpu as the bios in my motherboard is indicating, whether the vm supported adding the hardware tpm as a device or not, because the vm has access to the cpu, the tpm would then be a

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-14 Thread Joe Zeff
On 7/14/21 12:25 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: Although I've heard that because of Windows 11, those cards have become expensive and hard to get. I doubt that that will last long. Once the early adopters have theirs, the demand will drop, and so will the price. _

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-14 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/14/21 4:34 AM, Stephen Morris wrote: I thought that if the tpm is in the cpu as the bios in my motherboard is indicating, whether the vm supported adding the hardware tpm as a device or not, because the vm has access to the cpu, the tpm would then be automatically available to the vm. Un

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-14 Thread Ed Greshko
On 14/07/2021 20:30, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 21:34 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: The OS in the VM can't see any of the hardware on the host system unless the VM specifically passes it through.  Normally, all "hardware" in the VM is virtual.  qemu has an option to add a TP

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-14 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2021-07-14 at 21:34 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: > > The OS in the VM can't see any of the hardware on the host system > > unless the VM specifically passes it through.  Normally, all > > "hardware" in the VM is virtual.  qemu has an option to add a TPM > > by > > either creating a virtu

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-14 Thread Stephen Morris
On 14/7/21 10:49, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 7/13/21 4:33 PM, Stephen Morris wrote: I have a question about TPM hardware. Fedora 34 running as an image in a Vmware Player VM on a Windows 10 host reports that I don't have a TPM chip, and with Windows 10 running in a Virtualbox (both these VM' are th

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-13 Thread mcgarrett
> On July 13, 2021 at 6:59 PM Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 14/07/2021 06:49, mcgarrett wrote: > >> On July 6, 2021 at 5:29 PM Patrick O'Callaghan > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 15:01 -0400, mcgarrett wrote: > >>> From the mail, it appears that a software TPM should solve the

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-13 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/13/21 4:33 PM, Stephen Morris wrote: I have a question about TPM hardware. Fedora 34 running as an image in a Vmware Player VM on a Windows 10 host reports that I don't have a TPM chip, and with Windows 10 running in a Virtualbox (both these VM' are the free versions of the VM's) VM on the

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 14/07/2021 07:33, Stephen Morris wrote: On 14/7/21 08:59, Ed Greshko wrote: On 14/07/2021 06:49, mcgarrett wrote: On July 6, 2021 at 5:29 PM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 15:01 -0400, mcgarrett wrote:  From the mail, it appears that a software TPM should solve the prob

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 14/07/2021 07:29, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 7/13/21 3:59 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: It isn't possible, AFAIK, to simply change a VM from BIOS to UEFI. I expect you could by editing the XML, but the installed system would need to be adjusted as well, including the hard drive partitioning, so not lik

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-13 Thread Stephen Morris
On 14/7/21 08:59, Ed Greshko wrote: On 14/07/2021 06:49, mcgarrett wrote: On July 6, 2021 at 5:29 PM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 15:01 -0400, mcgarrett wrote:  From the mail, it appears that a software TPM should solve the problem on older computers, but it occurs to me

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-13 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 7/13/21 3:59 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: It isn't possible, AFAIK, to simply change a VM from BIOS to UEFI. I expect you could by editing the XML, but the installed system would need to be adjusted as well, including the hard drive partitioning, so not likely to be worth the effort. ___

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 14/07/2021 06:49, mcgarrett wrote: On July 6, 2021 at 5:29 PM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 15:01 -0400, mcgarrett wrote: From the mail, it appears that a software TPM should solve the problem on older computers, but it occurs to me that you might not be permitted to in

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-13 Thread mcgarrett
> On July 6, 2021 at 5:29 PM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 15:01 -0400, mcgarrett wrote: > > From the mail, it appears that a software TPM should solve the > > problem on older computers, > > but it occurs to me that you might not be permitted to install the > > softwar

RE: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-07 Thread J.Witvliet--- via users
See below -Original Message- From: Ed Greshko Sent: Tuesday, July 6, 2021 2:23 PM To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: Windows 11 VMs On 06/07/2021 20:08, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > It's annoying when banks decide to "improve" security by requiring >

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 2021-07-06 2:42 a.m., Stephen Morris wrote: From the screenshot in the attachment I assume it is telling me that under Windows 10 it is finding a tpm, is that correct? That is correct. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To uns

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/07/2021 05:27, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 22:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/07/2021 20:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 20:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/07/2021 20:08, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's annoying when banks decide to "improve

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 22:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/07/2021 20:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 20:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > On 06/07/2021 20:08, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > It's annoying when banks decide to "improve" security by > > > > requiring >

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 15:01 -0400, mcgarrett wrote: > From the mail, it appears that a software TPM should solve the > problem on older computers, > but it occurs to me that you might not be permitted to install the > software unless > a TPM is found. So, for those who have already tried version 11

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread mcgarrett
> On July 6, 2021 at 1:34 AM "Stephen J. Turnbull" wrote: > > > Tim writes: > > > I reckon the default thought of most people who're suddenly faced with > > a computer failing a security test is not going to be that something > > has changed on them without authority, but that something has

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread Tim via users
Tim, with mangled quoting by crapmail programs, come on you've had decades to get this shit right: > > I reckon the default thought of most people who're suddenly faced > with > > a computer failing a security test is not going to be that > something > > has changed on them without authority, b

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/07/2021 20:40, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 20:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/07/2021 20:08, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's annoying when banks decide to "improve" security by requiring their customers to use a specific platform rather than a general standard. All

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 20:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/07/2021 20:08, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > It's annoying when banks decide to "improve" security by requiring > > their customers to use a specific platform rather than a general > > standard. All banks here use smartcards but the pers

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/07/2021 20:08, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It's annoying when banks decide to "improve" security by requiring their customers to use a specific platform rather than a general standard. All banks here use smartcards but the personal terminal is just an offline card reader with a display. It

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 19:21 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 06/07/2021 18:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 14:34 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > > > Patrick writes: > > > > > >   > I think much depends on what the TPM is used for. Certainly > > > if the > > >   > user tak

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/07/2021 18:56, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 14:34 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: Patrick writes:  > I think much depends on what the TPM is used for. Certainly if the  > user takes care not to subvert the intention, it can reasonably be  > used to ensure that onl

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 14:34 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Patrick writes: > >  > I think much depends on what the TPM is used for. Certainly if the >  > user takes care not to subvert the intention, it can reasonably be >  > used to ensure that only trusted software is run. > > "Pragmatical

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread Stephen Morris
On 6/7/21 20:33, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 19:42 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: Is this directly on the hardware or in a VM? If the former, it would appear to be a bug. If the latter, presumably the VM is emulating the TPM. Windows is Windows 10 and it is native, I boot the

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2021-07-06 at 19:42 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: > > Is this directly on the hardware or in a VM? If the former, it > > would > > appear to be a bug. If the latter, presumably the VM is emulating > > the > > TPM. > Windows is Windows 10 and it is native, I boot the machine into > Windows >

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-06 Thread Stephen Morris
On 6/7/21 00:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2021-07-05 at 21:42 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: On 4/7/21 07:16, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 22:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Just have to add the tpm device to your vm using virsh. I'll have to give that a try. 

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-05 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Tim writes: > I reckon the default thought of most people who're suddenly faced with > a computer failing a security test is not going to be that something > has changed on them without authority, but that something has gone > wrong. They're going to try and reset something, rather than work

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2021-07-05 at 21:42 +1000, Stephen Morris wrote: > On 4/7/21 07:16, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 22:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > Just have to add the tpm device to your vm using virsh. > > > > > > > > > > I'll have to give that a try.  My Win10 VM

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-05 Thread Stephen Morris
On 4/7/21 07:16, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 22:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Just have to add the tpm device to your vm using virsh. I'll have to give that a try.  My Win10 VM doesn't have that device. Oh, I'd never noticed.  It is in virt-manager "add hardware"

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2021-07-05 at 10:29 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan writes: > >  > In the case of Windows 11 under a VM, as you say the software TPM > can do >  > what it likes. In effect, there is no more guarantee than with a > system >  > without a TPM and the message that Windo

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/07/2021 07:55, Ed Greshko wrote: On 04/07/2021 05:22, Ed Greshko wrote: On 04/07/2021 05:16, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 22:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Just have to add the tpm device to your vm using virsh. I'll have to give that a try.  My Win10 VM doesn'

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-05 Thread Tim via users
On Mon, 2021-07-05 at 10:29 +0900, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Security is hard, the weakest link is often your personnel, you > shouldn't say you care about security unless you have a specialist > auditing your systems, and any other generic statements about > security are marketing drivel. ;-)

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-04 Thread Stephen J. Turnbull
Patrick O'Callaghan writes: > In the case of Windows 11 under a VM, as you say the software TPM can do > what it likes. In effect, there is no more guarantee than with a system > without a TPM and the message that Windows 11 can only be used where a TPM > provides a trust base might give a fal

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 04/07/2021 05:22, Ed Greshko wrote: On 04/07/2021 05:16, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 22:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Just have to add the tpm device to your vm using virsh. I'll have to give that a try.  My Win10 VM doesn't have that device. Oh, I'd never not

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/07/2021 06:27, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2021-07-04 at 10:33 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 2021-07-04 9:08 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 23:09 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: My mobo is about 8 years old, so I don't have the hardware, however QEMU/KVM apparently

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2021-07-04 at 10:33 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 2021-07-04 9:08 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 23:09 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > My mobo is about 8 years old, so I don't have the hardware, however > > QEMU/KVM apparently emulates it well enough to fool Windo

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 2021-07-04 9:08 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 23:09 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: My mobo is about 8 years old, so I don't have the hardware, however QEMU/KVM apparently emulates it well enough to fool Windows. Which as I said earlier, makes the whole thing ridiculous.

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 2021-07-04 2:58 a.m., Bob Marcan wrote: On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 23:09:20 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: Anything made in the last few years should have one. If you're running Linux, you can check with "ls /dev/tpm*" or "journalctl | grep -i tpm". Mine is too old? [~]$ journalctl | grep -i tpm Jun

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 23:09 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 2021-07-03 5:14 p.m., mcgarrett wrote: > > > > > On July 3, 2021 at 7:55 PM Tom Horsley > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 19:46:01 -0400 (EDT) > > > mcgarrett wrote: > > > > > > > What is a TPM, and does it come with th

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-04 Thread Bob Marcan
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 23:09:20 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 2021-07-03 5:14 p.m., mcgarrett wrote: > > > >> On July 3, 2021 at 7:55 PM Tom Horsley wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 19:46:01 -0400 (EDT) > >> mcgarrett wrote: > >> > >>> What is a TPM, and does it come with the win 11 pac

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-04 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 7/4/21 12:36 AM, Walter H. via users wrote: On 03.07.2021 23:17, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 13:54 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 7/2/21 9:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new system, are there implica

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-04 Thread Walter H. via users
On 03.07.2021 23:17, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 13:54 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: On 7/2/21 9:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new system, are there implications for KVM, VirtualBox and VMware, or has thi

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 2021-07-03 5:14 p.m., mcgarrett wrote: On July 3, 2021 at 7:55 PM Tom Horsley wrote: On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 19:46:01 -0400 (EDT) mcgarrett wrote: What is a TPM, and does it come with the win 11 package, or must it be obrained elsewhere? It is a piece of hardware that either comes with yo

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread mcgarrett
> On July 3, 2021 at 7:55 PM Tom Horsley wrote: > > > On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 19:46:01 -0400 (EDT) > mcgarrett wrote: > > > What is a TPM, and does it come with the win 11 package, or must it be > > obrained elsewhere? > > It is a piece of hardware that either comes with your motherboard > if it

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 3 Jul 2021 19:46:01 -0400 (EDT) mcgarrett wrote: > What is a TPM, and does it come with the win 11 package, or must it be > obrained elsewhere? It is a piece of hardware that either comes with your motherboard if it is new enough, or you have to add (if it has a header to allow adding) o

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread mcgarrett
> On July 3, 2021 at 6:38 AM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Fri, 2021-07-02 at 23:02 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 2021-07-02 4:03 p.m., Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > On 2021-07-02 9:02 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new >

Windows 11 VMs and TPM - an interesting side effect

2021-07-03 Thread Tom Horsley
Out of curiosity, I thought I'd see if a physical TPM module is available for my motherboard. Looking in the manual I see there is a header for one, and gigabyte has a specific model number for the one that is compatible. None are in stock anywhere save a couple of entries on ebay where the normal

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread Ed Greshko
On 04/07/2021 05:16, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 22:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Just have to add the tpm device to your vm using virsh. I'll have to give that a try.  My Win10 VM doesn't have that device. Oh, I'd never noticed.  It is in virt-manager "add hardwa

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 13:54 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > On 7/2/21 9:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new > > system, > > are there implications for KVM, VirtualBox and VMware, or has this > > already been dealt with? > > >

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 22:05 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > Just have to add the tpm device to your vm using virsh. > > > > > > I'll have to give that a try.  My Win10 VM doesn't have that > > > device. > > > > > > > > > > Oh, I'd never noticed.  It is in virt-manager "add hardware" > >

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 21:07 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 03/07/2021 20:46, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 03/07/2021 20:25, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 19:17 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > > > > On 03/07/2021 14:02, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > > > On 2021-07-02 4:03 p.m., Samuel Sieb

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 7/2/21 9:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new system, are there implications for KVM, VirtualBox and VMware, or has this already been dealt with? poc Hi Poc, Fedora 34 qemu-kvm-5.2.0-8.fc34.x86_64 I have Windows 11 Version Dev (

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 2021-07-03 5:27 a.m., Walter H. via users wrote: On 03.07.2021 08:02, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 2021-07-02 4:03 p.m., Samuel Sieb wrote: On 2021-07-02 9:02 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new system, are there implications for KVM, Vir

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/07/2021 20:46, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/07/2021 20:25, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 19:17 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/07/2021 14:02, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 2021-07-02 4:03 p.m., Samuel Sieb wrote: On 2021-07-02 9:02 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since Microsoft

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/07/2021 20:25, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 19:17 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/07/2021 14:02, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 2021-07-02 4:03 p.m., Samuel Sieb wrote: On 2021-07-02 9:02 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for the

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread Walter H. via users
On 03.07.2021 08:02, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 2021-07-02 4:03 p.m., Samuel Sieb wrote: On 2021-07-02 9:02 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new system, are there implications for KVM, VirtualBox and VMware, or has this already been dealt wi

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 19:17 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 03/07/2021 14:02, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 2021-07-02 4:03 p.m., Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > On 2021-07-02 9:02 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new > > > > system, > > > > are

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2021-07-03 at 19:17 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 03/07/2021 14:02, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 2021-07-02 4:03 p.m., Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > On 2021-07-02 9:02 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new > > > > system, > > > > are

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/07/2021 14:02, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 2021-07-02 4:03 p.m., Samuel Sieb wrote: On 2021-07-02 9:02 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new system, are there implications for KVM, VirtualBox and VMware, or has this already been dealt wi

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-03 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2021-07-02 at 23:02 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 2021-07-02 4:03 p.m., Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 2021-07-02 9:02 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new > > > system, > > > are there implications for KVM, VirtualBox and VMware,

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-02 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 2021-07-02 4:03 p.m., Samuel Sieb wrote: On 2021-07-02 9:02 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new system, are there implications for KVM, VirtualBox and VMware, or has this already been dealt with? qemu has support for a TPM 2.0 eith

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-02 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Samuel Sieb writes: On 2021-07-02 9:02 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new system, are there implications for KVM, VirtualBox and VMware, or has this already been dealt with? qemu has support for a TPM 2.0 either as a passthrough or

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-02 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 2021-07-02 9:02 a.m., Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new system, are there implications for KVM, VirtualBox and VMware, or has this already been dealt with? qemu has support for a TPM 2.0 either as a passthrough or an emulation. I have

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-02 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2021-07-02 at 12:30 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 18:24:03 +0200 > Walter H. via users wrote: > > > I have successfully installed Win 11 build 21996.1 as a VMware > > Guest; > > (used the ISO that was leaked several days ago) > > > > On 02.07.2021 18:02, Patrick O'Callagh

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-02 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2021-07-02 at 18:24 +0200, Walter H. via users wrote: > I have successfully installed Win 11 build 21996.1 as a VMware Guest; > (used the ISO that was leaked several days ago) > > On 02.07.2021 18:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-02 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 2 Jul 2021 18:24:03 +0200 Walter H. via users wrote: > I have successfully installed Win 11 build 21996.1 as a VMware Guest; > (used the ISO that was leaked several days ago) > > On 02.07.2021 18:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their

Re: Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-02 Thread Walter H. via users
I have successfully installed Win 11 build 21996.1 as a VMware Guest; (used the ISO that was leaked several days ago) On 02.07.2021 18:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new system, are there implications for KVM, VirtualBox and VMware, or h

Windows 11 VMs

2021-07-02 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
Since Microsoft is going to require a TPM module for their new system, are there implications for KVM, VirtualBox and VMware, or has this already been dealt with? poc ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to