Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 16:24 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > and if you think here that "i" should be "I", sorry it does > not bother me because there are *a lot* of words in the > german language beginning with uppercase letters while > at the same time in context of internet communication > it is of

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Joe Zeff wrote: >> that i should set my focus to a perfect english and political correctness >> instead technical facts? sorry, my day has only 24 hours > > No. Some of the people who didn't grow up speaking English are better > at it than you, but you're quite understandable. Not only that, th

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

selective posting again? So you show by posting other peoples emails to this list? (no problem include him in CC so he is aware) and why selective post, why not post all the threads, that led to you being labelled troll, it is Riendl's way or no way, that is your train of thought, and how dare any

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Weitse kicked him off the postfix list a few weeks ago, and that's a man with incredible patience and tolerance, and the roundcube people also moderated him a week ago, he is close to being moderated on dovecot list as well, and god knows how many other list This goes to show pattern he does not c

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/11/2013 05:47 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.07.2013 14:11, schrieb Tim: >On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 09:34 -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: >>It's ironic that you're using personal insults and borderline profane >>language in your condemnation of Harald. > >No, it's called reverse do unto others

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/10/2013 07:24 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: and on the other side i make a better job as syadmin and developer like a lot of people, native speakers or not, so what is your point here? that i should set my focus to a perfect english and political correctness instead technical facts? sorry, my d

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Am 11.07.2013 15:02, schrieb David: > > > Paul Fields. > > After many, to many, days of this drivel would you please make this go away? after 36 hours some posts of me should be released to express my point of view and *that* is why i often response with "Reply All" because the current modera

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Am 11.07.2013 14:11, schrieb Tim: > On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 09:34 -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: >> It's ironic that you're using personal insults and borderline profane >> language in your condemnation of Harald. > > No, it's called reverse do unto others. i.e. It's perfectly fine to > treat peopl

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

thank you! the really sad is that most of ym own replies are still hanging in the moderation since nearly 24 hours and this shows *clearly* that the moderation does *not* work for two possible reasons: * they say "ah i do not like thos guy, delay it" * they are far away from computers - how can t

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Am 10.07.2013 15:39, schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Vaclav Mocek > wrote: > > Keep in mind that English is not native language of all of us and we may > sound rude even if we don't want to be. > > I think we all make allowan

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 04:42:02PM -0400, Paul Frields wrote: > On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:02 AM, David wrote: > > > > > > Paul Fields. > > > > After many, to many, days of this drivel would you please make this go away? > > Yes. Let's please consider this thread closed. It's no longer serving >

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 9:02 AM, David wrote: > > > Paul Fields. > > After many, to many, days of this drivel would you please make this go away? Yes. Let's please consider this thread closed. It's no longer serving any useful purpose for offering assistance to Fedora users. The moderators have

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/11/2013 10:51 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: And BTW Dai is the Welsh diminutive for David, so I'm afraid you lost me there. If you listen to the song, you'll hear that that's the way she pronounces it. It just seems so much more appropriate that way because using the conventional spel

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 10 Jul 2013 21:13, "Joe Zeff" wrote: > > On 07/10/2013 01:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> >> >> And you're saying this is a *good* thing? You may not mind it >> personally, but please don't try to argue that it's other than a mistake. > > > No, which is why I made the comment about Henry H

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/11/2013 08:50 AM, Thomas Dineen wrote: Second the motion to unsubscribe him! Which one? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wi

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/11/2013 05:11 AM, Tim wrote: No, it's called reverse do unto others. i.e. It's perfectly fine to treat people in the same way that they treat you. And I reserve the right to be just as hypocritical as the next person, for I am not going to have rules applied to me that aren't applied to e

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Wed, 10 Jul 2013, Joe Zeff wrote: On 07/10/2013 09:49 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: I've also received several bits of helpful advice from yourself, served up as one would expect from an Englishman(?). Overdone and served with mushy vegetables that have been cooked to death? Well, at least i

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Second the motion to unsubscribe him! On 7/11/2013 5:16 AM, Tim wrote: Tim: I'll go even further. Since he's shown no evidence of stopping doing it, unsubscribe him. We're all better off without it. Timothy Murphy: You are definitely wrong there. I for one would not be better of

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Paul Fields. After many, to many, days of this drivel would you please make this go away? -- David -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/w

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/11/2013 08:50 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:36:10 -0400 linuxnuts...@videotron.ca wrote: On 07/11/2013 08:16 AM, Tim wrote: Australian, actually. Is Foster's really any good? ( Evil Grin ) :-) That's so Crocodile Dundee era :) Linda Kozlowski... YUM :-) -- users m

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Thu, 11 Jul 2013 08:36:10 -0400 linuxnuts...@videotron.ca wrote: > On 07/11/2013 08:16 AM, Tim wrote: > > Australian, actually. > > Is Foster's really any good? ( Evil Grin ) :-) That's so Crocodile Dundee era :) -- Regards, Frank "When in doubt PANIC!" I check for new mail app. 20min www

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Tim: >> I'm sick of his behaviour. If he modifies his own behaviour, and >> continue to behave normally, he might get unmoderated. Let him stay >> moderated until he can stop being an insulting, aggressive, egotistical >> sod. Robert Holtzman: > Pot, meet kettle. Easy to be a smart arse. You d

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/11/2013 08:16 AM, Tim wrote: Australian, actually. Is Foster's really any good? ( Evil Grin ) :-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Tim: >> I'll go even further. Since he's shown no evidence of stopping doing >> it, unsubscribe him. We're all better off without it. Timothy Murphy: > You are definitely wrong there. > I for one would not be better off. > since I have had several bits of helpful advice from Reindl, Which, cou

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 09:34 -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: > It's ironic that you're using personal insults and borderline profane > language in your condemnation of Harald. No, it's called reverse do unto others. i.e. It's perfectly fine to treat people in the same way that they treat you. And I

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 03:48:35PM +0930, Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 10 July 2013, Rejy M Cyriac sent: > > +1 > > > > I have learnt to just gloss over the unimportant parts of his mail, > > and focus on the vast amount of good information that he shares with > > the community. Live and le

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/10/2013 01:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: And you're saying this is a *good* thing? You may not mind it personally, but please don't try to argue that it's other than a mistake. No, which is why I made the comment about Henry Higgins. I guess you must be too young to know who he was

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 3:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: >> >> On 07/10/2013 06:39 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> >>> (e.g. he still behaves as if 'i' were an English word, despite being >>> told that it isn't) >> >> >> I've seen all too

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/10/2013 12:40 PM, les wrote: We can fry anything, ice cream, twinkies, bananas, snickers bars, chicken, steak, and even turkey. In Scotland, they batter and fry candy bars. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fed

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:20 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 07/10/2013 06:39 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >> (e.g. he still behaves as if 'i' were an English word, despite being >> told that it isn't) >> > > I've seen all too many people who grew up speaking English who do the > exact same thing. >

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Wed, 2013-07-10 at 12:40 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 07/10/2013 09:49 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: > > I've also received several bits of helpful advice from yourself, > > served up as one would expect from an Englishman(?). > > Overdone and served with mushy vegetables that have been cooked to >

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 7/10/2013 6:40 AM, Paul W. Frields wrote: On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 11:46:38PM -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: In this case, I hope the moderators are listening to the pros and cons as expressed in this thread to determine what the list wants rather than looking solely from the pov of what they

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/10/2013 09:49 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: I've also received several bits of helpful advice from yourself, served up as one would expect from an Englishman(?). Overdone and served with mushy vegetables that have been cooked to death? Well, at least it's not fried and served with a huge po

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/10/2013 07:34 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: It's ironic that you're using personal insults and borderline profane language in your condemnation of Harald. Should you also be unsubscribed or do the rules only apply to those you dislike? Oh, good! I'm not the only one thinking this. It woul

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/10/2013 06:39 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: (e.g. he still behaves as if 'i' were an English word, despite being told that it isn't) I've seen all too many people who grew up speaking English who do the exact same thing. Where's Henry Higgins when we need him? -- users mailing list us

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Tim wrote: > I'll go even further. Since he's shown no evidence of stopping doing > it, unsubscribe him. We're all better off without it. You are definitely wrong there. I for one would not be better off. since I have had several bits of helpful advice from Reindl, admittedly served up with a

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Tue, 9 Jul 2013, Paul Allen Newell wrote: [snip] In this case, I hope the moderators are listening to the pros and cons as expressed in this thread to determine what the list wants rather than looking solely from the pov of what they think is best for the list. Paul I think the big q

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Tim wrote: > > Let him stay moderated until he can stop being an insulting, aggressive, > egotistical sod. > ... > Having sociopaths on the list drives people away. > ... > They unsubscribe, they delete and ignore entire threads, because they're sick > of reading that crap. > ... > And they do so w

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Am 10.07.2013 08:10, schrieb Tim: > Allegedly, on or about 09 July 2013, inode0 sent: >> The problem here from my perspective is that Harald was put into an >> awkward position without any reason that I can see on the thread >> cited. > > I don't think it happened lightly. And he has shown a c

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Tue, Jul 09, 2013 at 11:46:38PM -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 7/9/2013 11:44 PM, Rejy M Cyriac wrote: > >On 07/10/2013 11:48 AM, Tim wrote: > >>Allegedly, on or about 10 July 2013, Rejy M Cyriac sent: > >>>+1 > >>> > >>>I have learnt to just gloss over the unimportant parts of his mail, >

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Vaclav Mocek wrote: > Keep in mind that English is not native language of all of us and we may > sound rude even if we don't want to be. I think we all make allowances for English not being the native language of everyone here, but on the whole most non-native sp

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

> > Reindl, > > Please understand that your use of the English language comes across as > violent and aggressive. Excessive accenting, excessive snipping, and > excessive profanity make up a majority of your postings to Fedora > mailing lists. Very subjective impressionsà. I have no problems with

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 7/9/2013 11:44 PM, Rejy M Cyriac wrote: On 07/10/2013 11:48 AM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 10 July 2013, Rejy M Cyriac sent: +1 I have learnt to just gloss over the unimportant parts of his mail, and focus on the vast amount of good information that he shares with the community. Live

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/10/2013 11:48 AM, Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 10 July 2013, Rejy M Cyriac sent: >> +1 >> >> I have learnt to just gloss over the unimportant parts of his mail, >> and focus on the vast amount of good information that he shares with >> the community. Live and let live for the common go

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/10/2013 04:18 PM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 10 July 2013, Rejy M Cyriac sent: +1 I have learnt to just gloss over the unimportant parts of his mail, and focus on the vast amount of good information that he shares with the community. Live and let live for the common good, I would s

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 7/9/2013 11:18 PM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 10 July 2013, Rejy M Cyriac sent: +1 I have learnt to just gloss over the unimportant parts of his mail, and focus on the vast amount of good information that he shares with the community. Live and let live for the common good, I would say

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Allegedly, on or about 10 July 2013, Rejy M Cyriac sent: > +1 > > I have learnt to just gloss over the unimportant parts of his mail, > and focus on the vast amount of good information that he shares with > the community. Live and let live for the common good, I would say. -10 I'm sick of his b

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Allegedly, on or about 09 July 2013, inode0 sent: > The problem here from my perspective is that Harald was put into an > awkward position without any reason that I can see on the thread > cited. I don't think it happened lightly. And he has shown a continual predilection to behave the same way.

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/09/2013 11:43 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: > On 07/09/2013 01:49 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: >> On 7/9/2013 10:19 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: >>> >>> I agree completely. Harald's posts are among the best on this list >>> in terms of >>> their technical content. It's more disruptive that

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/09/2013 02:19 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: In defence of Reindl, I don't see anything wrong with emphasizing words. This particular posting did not strike me as "violent and aggressive", and I didn't see any profanity in it, let alone "excessive profanity". And, listing only the emphasized w

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 07/08/2013 03:36 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> *large* >> *but* >> *serious* >> *ifÜ >> *and* you have rate-controls *and then* >> *pretty sure* >> *really serious* > > Reindl, > > Please understand that your use of the English language comes across as > violent and

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/09/2013 01:49 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 7/9/2013 10:19 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: >> >> I agree completely. Harald's posts are among the best on this list >> in terms of >> their technical content. It's more disruptive that they're out of >> sequence due >> to moderation than that h

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 7/9/2013 10:19 AM, Matthew J. Roth wrote: I agree completely. Harald's posts are among the best on this list in terms of their technical content. It's more disruptive that they're out of sequence due to moderation than that his tone can sometimes come across as aggressive. If people don't

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

inode0 wrote: > > As someone who reads most of discussions on this and many other lists > I largely share Harald's feeling that a relatively small number of > transgressions have clouded our perception of reality and we forget a > great many helpful posts. I agree completely. Harald's posts are

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

> For the curious, I'm not doing this to enhance security, and yes, port > 23456 was just for illustrative purposes only. That said, I don't think > it is too harmful either. > Indeed for various reasons my daemon runs on 443 > There was a rather detailed reply explaining the difference between >

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 7:24 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 09.07.2013 14:15, schrieb Jared K. Smith: >> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Reindl Harald > > wrote: >> >> it does not matter because on this list you are even moderated >> and banned because off-list

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Am 09.07.2013 14:15, schrieb Jared K. Smith: > On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Reindl Harald > wrote: > > it does not matter because on this list you are even moderated > and banned because off-list mails which are even not contain > any reference to a

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

This thread has slipped into a security debate, but I certainly didn't mean to start a flame war. For the curious, I'm not doing this to enhance security, and yes, port 23456 was just for illustrative purposes only. That said, I don't think it is too harmful either. There was a rather detail

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 5:13 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > it does not matter because on this list you are even moderated > and banned because off-list mails which are even not contain > any reference to a thread bounce dback by the receiver to the > list and additionally in CC to the uninvolved devel

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Am 08.07.2013 23:07, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 07/08/2013 01:58 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >> Also, there is no need to send the same mail twice. I do not wish to >> argue with you further as this is not the first time you have been >> confronted about your behavior and I doubt it will be the la

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

Am 08.07.2013 23:26, schrieb inode0: > On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: >> On 07/08/2013 03:36 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >>> *large* >>> *but* >>> *serious* >>> *ifÜ >>> *and* you have rate-controls *and then* >>> *pretty sure* >>> *really serious* >> >> Reindl, >> >> Pl

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

ords and at the same time treat others as a troll while you destroy *any* existing context > Also, there is no need to send the same mail twice because my last piece of my aswer refer to your accuse that i am trolling in a honest reply which i stripped below was rejected by the list moderator? -

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

> > How would I go about having sshd obtaining the port number from SELinux, so > that it is not necessary to have configuration in two places ? > You don't... That defeats the point and is somewhat backwards in conception. Just as how you'd have to configure iptables to allow the new port to be

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

On Monday, July 08, 2013 01:31:01 PM Daniel J Walsh wrote: > If you read the sshd_config file, it states. > > # If you want to change the port on a SELinux system, you have to tell > # SELinux about this change. > # semanage port -a -t ssh_port_t -p tcp #PORTNUMBER > # > #Port 22 How would I go

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 07/08/2013 03:36 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> *large* >> *but* >> *serious* >> *ifÜ >> *and* you have rate-controls *and then* >> *pretty sure* >> *really serious* > > Reindl, > > Please understand that your use of the English language

Re: Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/08/2013 01:58 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: Also, there is no need to send the same mail twice. I do not wish to argue with you further as this is not the first time you have been confronted about your behavior and I doubt it will be the last. You also like to get in "the last word", which

Mailing List Etiquette (was Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19)

On 07/08/2013 03:36 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > *large* > *but* > *serious* > *ifÜ > *and* you have rate-controls *and then* > *pretty sure* > *really serious* Reindl, Please understand that your use of the English language comes across as violent and aggressive. Excessive accenting, excessive s

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

Am 08.07.2013 18:49, schrieb Michael Cronenworth: > On 07/08/2013 11:24 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> have fun > > Technologies such as open proxies and bot-nets enable an experienced > cracker to attack your system within a few seconds. there is a *large* difference between a botnet and the typical

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

Am 08.07.2013 17:13, schrieb Michael Cronenworth: > On 07/08/2013 10:01 AM, Tim wrote: >> And I'd certainly avoid putting anything exploitable, ever, on port >> 23456. Maybe that was just a made up example by the original poster, >> but consecutive numbers like that, and other common number sequ

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/08/2013 04:02 AM, James Hogarth wrote: > > > > Ah, SELinux again... Kinda' defeats the purpose these days, doesn't it? > > > > No it's doing exactly what it should be doing ... in a 'normal' usercase > there's no need for SSH to be on a por

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

On 07/08/2013 11:24 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > have fun Technologies such as open proxies and bot-nets enable an experienced cracker to attack your system within a few seconds. P.S. Please do not snip replies to exclude information that is relevant to the conversation. It makes you look like a tr

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

Allegedly, on or about 08 July 2013, Michael Cronenworth sent: > Since there are only 65,535 ports to scan, anyone at any time can > easily scan for an open port in seconds. Arguing about semantics of a > port number is more Security Through Obscurity(tm). I think there's some difference between p

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

On 07/08/2013 10:01 AM, Tim wrote: > And I'd certainly avoid putting anything exploitable, ever, on port > 23456. Maybe that was just a made up example by the original poster, > but consecutive numbers like that, and other common number sequences, > are just the sort of thing that wannabes hackers

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

Allegedly, on or about 08 July 2013, James Hogarth sent: > If you want SSH on a different port the better options are to pick a > port below 1024 (and add that port to the sshd_t context via semanage) > or to bind SSH to 22 and to use iptables to do a redirection > internally from the high level po

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

> > > Ah, SELinux again... Kinda' defeats the purpose these days, doesn't it? > > > No it's doing exactly what it should be doing ... in a 'normal' usercase there's no need for SSH to be on a port other than TCP/22 and this prevents it ... if you need it on another port it's trivial to add on the n

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

On Sat, 06 Jul 2013 21:56:28 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 06.07.2013 21:41, schrieb Amadeus W.M.: >> I normally run sshd on a port different than 22 and I'm trying to do >> the same on a fresh Fedora 19, but it fails with a permission denied >> error: >> >> I am, however, able to run it e.g.

Re: can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

Am 06.07.2013 21:41, schrieb Amadeus W.M.: > I normally run sshd on a port different than 22 and I'm trying to do the > same on a fresh Fedora 19, but it fails with a permission denied error: > > I am, however, able to run it e.g. on port 34567. Any idea what's going > on? As far as I can tell

can't run sshd on 23456 in Fedora 19

I normally run sshd on a port different than 22 and I'm trying to do the same on a fresh Fedora 19, but it fails with a permission denied error: 32) root:~> systemctl status sshd.service sshd.service - OpenSSH server daemon Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/sshd.service; enabled) Acti