Re: device names

2020-04-18 Thread Roger Heflin
If you are managing 1 or 10 that are not the same, then yes, but if one is managing 10,000+ physical linu servers with a very few models/layouts (spanning the 5-9 year life you are dealing with) and you up front determine the mappings by model then by pcid mapping is great. Prior to the pciids

Re: device names

2020-04-18 Thread Ian Chapman
On 13/04/2020 07:47, Roger Heflin wrote: The only negative part I have seen is that on one of my desktop systems at home removing/adding a pci card changes the PCI-busid of the built-in network card (guessing badly designed/coded bios). And that's exactly why the whole naming this is a PITA

Re: device names

2020-04-14 Thread Roger Heflin
e the swapped-in NIC keep the name of the swapped-out NIC. > > My understanding of how the device names were generated was that if you > didn't replace a NIC with an identical model, in the exact same spot, > you could well end up with a different device name. > If the PCI bus setup does no

Re: device names

2020-04-14 Thread Tom H
On Tue, Apr 14, 2020 at 12:44 AM Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 00:26:28 +0200 Tom H wrote: > >> The improvement's when you have a multiple NICs > > Right, but they should have special cased a single NIC system > and just left the name eth0, would have avoided vast amounts > of trouble

Re: device names

2020-04-13 Thread Tim via users
On Tue, 2020-04-14 at 00:26 +0200, Tom H wrote: > The improvement's when you have a multiple NICs and swap one out. You > no longer have to edit "/etc/udev/rules.d/.rules" in order > to have the swapped-in NIC keep the name of the swapped-out NIC. My understanding of how th

Re: device names

2020-04-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/13/2020 04:43 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: Right, but they should have special cased a single NIC system and just left the name eth0, would have avoided vast amounts of trouble for people with common desktops that only have a single NIC. +1 Informative

Re: device names

2020-04-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 00:26:28 +0200 Tom H wrote: > The improvement's when you have a multiple NICs Right, but they should have special cased a single NIC system and just left the name eth0, would have avoided vast amounts of trouble for people with common desktops that only have a single NIC.

Re: device names

2020-04-13 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 Jack Craig wrote: >> further reading of some RH portal docs, i decided my notion was an >> unacceptable step backward in techs stream of forward progress. > > I consider the "improvement" a step backwards. Certainly for > a desktop

Re: device names

2020-04-13 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 Roberto Ragusa wrote: > On 2020-04-10 20:53, Jack Craig wrote: >> on F30, i would like to swap enp4s0 to eth0. >> >> outside the network ifcfg* files, any other place(file) to update? > > Having a proper ifcfg*, including the HWADDR MAC address used to be > enough (but be

Re: device names

2020-04-12 Thread Roger Heflin
it is not a step back for enterprise servers with 2 or more vendors ethernet cards. We were doing a udev rule (by pci-busid) so the right cards were in the right places, and had (pci-busid) rules for each model so that the names were always the same. The "new" standard makes what we (and

Re: device names

2020-04-12 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:33:50 -0700 Jack Craig wrote: > further reading of some RH portal docs, i decided my notion was an > unacceptable step backward in techs stream of forward progress. I consider the "improvement" a step backwards. Certainly for a desktop system with one and only one ethernet

Re: device names

2020-04-12 Thread Jack Craig
a big thanks to those that commented on this thread. further reading of some RH portal docs, i decided my notion was an unacceptable step backward in techs stream of forward progress.

Re: device names

2020-04-12 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 2020-04-10 20:53, Jack Craig wrote: hi all, on F30, i would like to swap enp4s0 to eth0. outside the network ifcfg* files, any other place(file) to update? Having a proper ifcfg*, including the HWADDR MAC address used to be enough (but be sure you rebuild your initrd since renaming

Re: device names

2020-04-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 9:03 PM Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:53:11 -0700 Jack Craig wrote: > >> on F30, i would like to swap enp4s0 to eth0. > > You have to get the system to stop inventing "immutable" names > first, which means adding net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0 to the > kernel

Re: device names

2020-04-11 Thread Tom H
On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 8:54 PM Jack Craig wrote: > > on F30, i would like to swap enp4s0 to eth0. > > outside the network ifcfg* files, any other place(file) to update? > > i scanned /etc/ find no additional references. The simplest is to add "net.ifnames=0" to "GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX" in

Re: device names

2020-04-10 Thread Jack Craig
thx frank, tom got me pointed in the right direction and your info here is a Big push down that path. thx again, jackc... On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:13 PM Frank Elsner wrote: > On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:53:11 -0700 Jack Craig wrote: > > hi all, > > > > on F30, i would like to swap enp4s0 to

Re: device names

2020-04-10 Thread Frank Elsner
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:53:11 -0700 Jack Craig wrote: > hi all, > > on F30, i would like to swap enp4s0 to eth0. For this my /etc/default/grub contains GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX="net.ifnames=0 ..." Greetings, Frank ___ users mailing list --

Re: device names

2020-04-10 Thread Jack Craig
thanks tom, i knew there was more to it. thx, jackc... On Fri, Apr 10, 2020 at 12:03 PM Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:53:11 -0700 > Jack Craig wrote: > > > on F30, i would like to swap enp4s0 to eth0. > > You have to get the system to stop inventing "immutable" names > first,

Re: device names

2020-04-10 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:53:11 -0700 Jack Craig wrote: > on F30, i would like to swap enp4s0 to eth0. You have to get the system to stop inventing "immutable" names first, which means adding net.ifnames=0 biosdevname=0 to the kernel boot parameters which means learning how to use grub2-editenv

device names

2020-04-10 Thread Jack Craig
hi all, on F30, i would like to swap enp4s0 to eth0. outside the network ifcfg* files, any other place(file) to update? i scanned /etc/ find no additional references. also any wisdom that sez this idea is folly?? tia, jackc... ___ users mailing