Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-11 Thread jdow
From: "Alan Cox" Sent: Saturday, 2010/September/11 15:32 >> Which is particularly annoying to me because I hold a license that allows >> me to use this sort of capabilities in one specific band that is within >> the capabilities of the typical wireless chips. I can also use serious >> power if I

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-11 Thread Alan Cox
> Which is particularly annoying to me because I hold a license that allows > me to use this sort of capabilities in one specific band that is within > the capabilities of the typical wireless chips. I can also use serious > power if I wish. Ditto - although there are other rules on how it can be

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-11 Thread jdow
From: "Alan Cox" Sent: Friday, 2010/September/10 01:25 >> > I wonder what changed to cause Broadcom to change tune. Broadcom >> > seemed >> > to think that their secret sauce was oh so important to keep secret. >> > >> > -wolfgang >> >> I think the reason was that the driver would expose infor

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-10 Thread Alan Cox
> I think a very big 'MAYBE' should be tacked to your explanation. > We have had open source wireless drivers long before BCM did any > thing to "ease" the so called complicated safeguards to prevent > rogue use of the wireless devices. Yes - they were reverse engineered - that's very different t

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-10 Thread JD
On 09/10/2010 01:25 AM, Alan Cox wrote: >>> I wonder what changed to cause Broadcom to change tune. Broadcom seemed >>> to think that their secret sauce was oh so important to keep secret. >>> >>> -wolfgang >> I think the reason was that the driver would expose information >> about the inner des

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-10 Thread Jerry Feldman
On 09/09/2010 02:33 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:29:35 -0500 JD wrote: > > >> >> On 09/09/2010 11:08 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: >> >>> That is a huge, supreme acknowledgment of the influence that Linux is >>> having on the market place. Windows is dying. Totally left out

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-10 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
On 09/10/2010 01:35 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote: > On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 09:25:25AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: >> Wireless has been particularly problematic for many vendors for a long >> time because the US regulations require wireless devices are not user >> tamperable. This leads to questions like "what

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-10 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 09:25:25AM +0100, Alan Cox wrote: > Wireless has been particularly problematic for many vendors for a long > time because the US regulations require wireless devices are not user > tamperable. This leads to questions like "what does that mean if it's open > source and you ca

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-10 Thread David Liguori
On 9/9/2010 2:03 PM, Neal Becker wrote: > http://lwn.net/Articles/404248/rss > > Does this mean I can hope to see Fedora support for my (I believe Broadcom-based) Dell sometime? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-10 Thread Alan Cox
> > I wonder what changed to cause Broadcom to change tune. Broadcom seemed > > to think that their secret sauce was oh so important to keep secret. > > > > -wolfgang > > I think the reason was that the driver would expose information > about the inner design of their chipset, which they felt mig

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-09 Thread JD
On 09/09/2010 05:16 PM, Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: > Neal Becker writes: >> http://lwn.net/Articles/404248/rss > I wonder what changed to cause Broadcom to change tune. Broadcom seemed > to think that their secret sauce was oh so important to keep secret. > > -wolfgang I think the reason was

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-09 Thread Wolfgang S. Rupprecht
Neal Becker writes: > http://lwn.net/Articles/404248/rss I wonder what changed to cause Broadcom to change tune. Broadcom seemed to think that their secret sauce was oh so important to keep secret. -wolfgang -- Wolfgang S. Rupprecht http://www.wsrcc.com/wolfgang/ (IPv6-only) -- use

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-09 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Thu, Sep 09, 2010 at 14:03:21 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > http://lwn.net/Articles/404248/rss I was just reading some complaints about the wl driver yesterday. Not only is new driver open, it uses mac80211. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscrip

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-09 Thread Linuxguy123
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 14:03 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > http://lwn.net/Articles/404248/rss > Next up: nVidia ? Maybe not, but they sure seem to have improved their proprietary Linux driver a lot recently. I know, I know... it still isn't what we need and it should be open. But lets at least ap

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-09 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Thu, 09 Sep 2010 14:03:21 -0400 Neal Becker wrote: > http://lwn.net/Articles/404248/rss > And Duke Nukem is coming! Too bad the Cubs can't complete the trifecta. -- cmg -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedorap

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-09 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Thu, 9 Sep 2010 13:29:35 -0500 JD wrote: > > > On 09/09/2010 11:08 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > > That is a huge, supreme acknowledgment of the influence that Linux is > > having on the market place. Windows is dying. Totally left out of the > > mobile computing device market. Apple and Linux

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-09 Thread JD
On 09/09/2010 11:08 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: > That is a huge, supreme acknowledgment of the influence that Linux is > having on the market place. Windows is dying. Totally left out of the > mobile computing device market. Apple and Linux (Android, Meego, et al) > are the new way forward. Apple

Re: hell freezes over!

2010-09-09 Thread Linuxguy123
On Thu, 2010-09-09 at 14:03 -0400, Neal Becker wrote: > http://lwn.net/Articles/404248/rss > That is a huge, supreme acknowledgment of the influence that Linux is having on the market place. Windows is dying. Totally left out of the mobile computing device market. Apple and Linux (Android, Meeg

hell freezes over!

2010-09-09 Thread Neal Becker
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