Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-03-01 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2011-03-01 at 03:53 -0500, Tom H wrote: > IMHO totally pedantic... But completely important. NetworkManager sets a status that you're on- or off-line, and any application can check for that. It doesn't individually inform every network-using application about its status. NetworkManager,

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-03-01 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 5:20 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 13:01 -0500, Tom H wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan >> wrote: >> > >> > The OP didn't mention NM, so he could hardly have said that it >> wasn't >> > active. And NM isn't "reporting"

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 13:01 -0500, Tom H wrote: > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > > > The OP didn't mention NM, so he could hardly have said that it > wasn't > > active. And NM isn't "reporting" anything to Firefox. NM is > registering > > a service (presumably v

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-27 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 10:07 -0500, Jim Philips wrote: > > > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 23:52 -0800, bruce wrote: > > but the OP had stated that NM wasn't active.. > > > > and i'm still not convinced that

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-27 Thread Jim Philips
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:15 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 10:07 -0500, Jim Philips wrote: > > > I didn't do anything with Network Manager at the beginning, nor was > > I prompted to. Shouldn't there have been a wizard to lead me through > > settings? > > Is this a fresh

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-27 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Jim Philips wrote: > > I didn't do anything with Network Manager at the beginning, nor was I > prompted to. Shouldn't there have been a wizard to lead me through settings? > By the way, things all work with my wired connection now. Haven't gotten > wireless workin

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-27 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > The OP didn't mention NM, so he could hardly have said that it wasn't > active. And NM isn't "reporting" anything to Firefox. NM is registering > a service (presumably via D-bus, though I haven't checked) and FF is > picking it up. T

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-27 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 2:52 AM, bruce wrote: > On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Tom H wrote: >> On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:20 AM, bruce wrote: >>> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan >>> wrote: On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 20:29 -0500, Jim Philips wrote: > > I installed

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-27 Thread James McKenzie
On 2/27/11 8:15 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 10:07 -0500, Jim Philips wrote: >>> I didn't do anything with Network Manager at the beginning, nor was >> I prompted to. Shouldn't there have been a wizard to lead me through >> settings? > Is this a fresh install or an upgrade

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 10:07 -0500, Jim Philips wrote: > > I didn't do anything with Network Manager at the beginning, nor was > I prompted to. Shouldn't there have been a wizard to lead me through > settings? Is this a fresh install or an upgrade? I would expect a fresh install to give some prompt

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-27 Thread Jim Philips
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 23:52 -0800, bruce wrote: > > but the OP had stated that NM wasn't active.. > > > > and i'm still not convinced that NM is "reporting" to Firefox. Which > > isn't to say that FF isn't accessing something to conne

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 23:52 -0800, bruce wrote: > but the OP had stated that NM wasn't active.. > > and i'm still not convinced that NM is "reporting" to Firefox. Which > isn't to say that FF isn't accessing something to connect to the the > port. [Please don't top-post on this list. See the Guid

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 21:08 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 02/26/2011 08:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Which browser? Firefox and Evolution both use NetworkManager to > > determine if the machine is connected. Even if the network is working, > > if NM is not configured to manage the interface,

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-27 Thread Tim
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 23:52 -0800, bruce wrote: > but the OP had stated that NM wasn't active.. But... does that mean they've disabled the service, or they've simply not configured it for use. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, th

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-26 Thread bruce
but the OP had stated that NM wasn't active.. and i'm still not convinced that NM is "reporting" to Firefox. Which isn't to say that FF isn't accessing something to connect to the the port. On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 10:41 PM, Tom H wrote: > On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:20 AM, bruce wrote: >> On Sa

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-26 Thread Tom H
On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 1:20 AM, bruce wrote: > On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: >> On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 20:29 -0500, Jim Philips wrote: >>> >>> I installed FC14 today on my laptop. I can connect to the Internet and >>> download software. I can also ping sites out on

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-26 Thread bruce
are you sure about this??? where is the pointer to docs to state this? i seriously doubt that firefox has any way of knowing about NM specifically.. but it is curious that you can ping, but not access via FF.. what happens if you download/check with Opera.. On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:43 PM, Pa

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-26 Thread Joe Zeff
On 02/26/2011 08:43 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Which browser? Firefox and Evolution both use NetworkManager to > determine if the machine is connected. Even if the network is working, > if NM is not configured to manage the interface, these apps will think > there is no connection. That's in

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-26 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2011-02-26 at 20:29 -0500, Jim Philips wrote: > I installed FC14 today on my laptop. I can connect to the Internet and > download software. I can also ping sites out on the Internet from the > command line. However, the browser refuses to load any pages and > Evolution won't connect to a ma

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-26 Thread Jim Philips
I discovered that while I can ping to www.google.com, I can't do a traceroute to the same address. It won't resolve the name. On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Jim Philips wrote: > I installed FC14 today on my laptop. I can connect to the Internet and > download software. I can also ping sites out

Re: internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-26 Thread Paolo Galtieri
On 02/26/11 18:29, Jim Philips wrote: > I installed FC14 today on my laptop. I can connect to the Internet and > download software. I can also ping sites out on the Internet from the > command line. However, the browser refuses to load any pages and > Evolution won't connect to a mail server. I tri

internet apps don't connect in FC14

2011-02-26 Thread Jim Philips
I installed FC14 today on my laptop. I can connect to the Internet and download software. I can also ping sites out on the Internet from the command line. However, the browser refuses to load any pages and Evolution won't connect to a mail server. I tried turning off the firewall altogether and thi