Re: users, "private" groups, and The Unix Way (was, Re: Is it me or is it sudo?)

2012-04-03 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, Apr 4, 2012 at 2:05 AM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 04/03/2012 04:56 PM, Joel Rees wrote: >> Good point. I don't visit those sites, and it's important for me >> to mention that. No p0rn, period, and many of the moral reasons are >> in > >

Re: users, "private" groups, and The Unix Way (was, Re: Is it me or is it sudo?)

2012-04-03 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:31 PM, Tim wrote: > On Tue, 2012-04-03 at 16:10 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: >> Well, there is a reason some people don't want universal ID, for example. >> It's a lot broader topic than you may want to believe. It's similar to the >> reason your httpd and ftpd (ntpd, nfs daemo

Re: users, "private" groups, and The Unix Way (was, Re: Is it me or is it sudo?)

2012-04-03 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2012-04-03 at 16:10 +0900, Joel Rees wrote: > Well, there is a reason some people don't want universal ID, for example. > It's a lot broader topic than you may want to believe. It's similar to the > reason your httpd and ftpd (ntpd, nfs daemon, database daemons, etc.) > are operating as sep

Re: users, "private" groups, and The Unix Way (was, Re: Is it me or is it sudo?)

2012-04-03 Thread Joel Rees
(woops, missed the user list) On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 5:47 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 04/03/2012 08:10 AM, Joel Rees wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Tim >> wrote: s/some/a lot of/ >> >> if you set it up right. > > It can still do a

Re: users, "private" groups, and The Unix Way (was, Re: Is it me or is it sudo?)

2012-04-03 Thread Bryn M. Reeves
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/03/2012 08:10 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Tim > wrote: s/some/a lot of/ > > if you set it up right. It can still do a fair amount of nasty stuff. > "xhost local:; sudo -u " does pretty well > with current applicatio

Re: users, "private" groups, and The Unix Way (was, Re: Is it me or is it sudo?)

2012-04-03 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Tim wrote: > Tim: >>> It always struck me that personal files ought to have no group or >>> world permissions set by default.  If you wanted your files to have >>> those extra permission set, then it ought to be done as a deliberate >>> choice. >> > Joel Rees: >> Ma

Re: users, "private" groups, and The Unix Way (was, Re: Is it me or is it sudo?)

2012-04-02 Thread Tim
Tim: >> It always struck me that personal files ought to have no group or >> world permissions set by default. If you wanted your files to have >> those extra permission set, then it ought to be done as a deliberate >> choice. > Joel Rees: > Maybe "user-id" is mis-named. There are sure a lot of p

users, "private" groups, and The Unix Way (was, Re: Is it me or is it sudo?)

2012-04-02 Thread Joel Rees
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 7:04 PM, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2012-03-30 at 20:39 +0100, James Wilkinson wrote: >> From there, it follows that the easiest way to do this is to make 002 >> the default umask, which means that all new files and directories >> created by normal users have these permissions. T