Re: [IronPython] Patent concerns

2007-06-01 Thread M. David Peterson
So then why not read the source code, get some ideas, possibly use some of the code if it makes sense as such, and include a copy of the license and copyright notice with your redistribution to cover your legal requirements. Of course if the project was GPL'd, which is incompatible (as far as I k

Re: [IronPython] Patent concerns

2007-06-01 Thread Curt Hagenlocher
On 6/1/07, M. David Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 6/1/07, Curt Hagenlocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Independent rediscovery" does not protect you from claims of patent > infringement, only from copyright infringement. > Unless I am misreading, it seems you are suggesting that the

Re: [IronPython] Patent concerns

2007-06-01 Thread M. David Peterson
On 6/1/07, Curt Hagenlocher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: People who are simply *using* IronPython are covered by the license. Well them, and those who want "to make, have made, use, sell, offer for sale, import, and/or otherwise dispose of its contribution in the software or derivative works o

Re: [IronPython] Patent concerns

2007-06-01 Thread Curt Hagenlocher
On 6/1/07, Tim Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The license associated with IronPython is quite specific about patent rights. Microsoft treats its licenses very seriously. In my opinion, there's nothing to worry about here. People who are simply *using* IronPython are covered by the licen

Re: [IronPython] Patent concerns

2007-06-01 Thread M. David Peterson
*VERY* well stated, Tim! On 6/1/07, Tim Roberts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:41:19 -0400, "Eric Nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm also not a lawyer, but... > > I previously would have agreed about the protections in the license, but > until the whole claim of 135 P

Re: [IronPython] Patent concerns

2007-06-01 Thread Tim Roberts
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 09:41:19 -0400, "Eric Nicholson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm also not a lawyer, but... > > I previously would have agreed about the protections in the license, but > until the whole claim of 135 Patent violations in Linux clears up, I'm not > sure. MS Legal needs to prove t

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Wiki Cookbook

2007-06-01 Thread Michael Foord
On 01/06/07, Luis Trigueiros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Great stuff very good. I would like to do Excel-Addin using IronPython. Although, IIUC an Excel-Addin is different from the Excel automation recipe already there - so anything you can add would be *most* welcome. Thanks Michael ht

Re: [IronPython] Lambdas, properties and namespace leakage

2007-06-01 Thread Michael Foord
Martin Maly wrote: > Thanks for a fun bug, Michael, just to clarify, this is using the IronPython > 1.1 release, correct? > Yes. Given the performance degradation (on XP) and the lack of multiple engine support we can't switch to 2.0 yet... Are bugfixes still being ported to the 1.X branch?

Re: [IronPython] A pseudobug in standard library usage

2007-06-01 Thread Dave Fugate
Thanks Michael! This has been filed as CodePlex Work Item #10710 (http://www.codeplex.com/IronPython/WorkItem/View.aspx?WorkItemId=10710). -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Foord Sent: Friday, June 01, 2007 7:13 AM To: Discussion of

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Wiki Cookbook

2007-06-01 Thread Michael Foord
Luis Trigueiros wrote: > Hi, > Great stuff very good. > I would like to do Excel-Addin using IronPython. > Does anyone done this, this would be a good recipe for the Cookbook. It would certainly be useful - but you have competition! http://www.ironpython.info/index.php/Interacting_with_Excel Than

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Wiki Cookbook

2007-06-01 Thread Luis Trigueiros
Hi, Great stuff very good. I would like to do Excel-Addin using IronPython. Does anyone done this, this would be a good recipe for the Cookbook. Thanks, Luis On 5/30/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: IronPython Wiki Cookbook [image: emoticon:nightmare] One of the things I've be

Re: [IronPython] Lambdas, properties and namespace leakage

2007-06-01 Thread Martin Maly
Thanks for a fun bug, Michael, just to clarify, this is using the IronPython 1.1 release, correct? If it is of any consolation, this is the output from the IronPython 2.0 alpha where this no longer happens: IronPython console: IronPython 2.0 (2.0.0.0) on .NET 2.0.50727.42 Copyright (c) Microsof

[IronPython] Lambdas, properties and namespace leakage

2007-06-01 Thread Michael Foord
Hello all, Another fun one. If you use 'property' to wrap a lambda in a class namespace then an extra name leaks into the class namespace (which confused our documentation system). CPython: >>> class X(object): ... p2 = property(lambda self: 34) ... >>> dir(X) ['__class__', '__delattr__', '_

[IronPython] A pseudobug in standard library usage

2007-06-01 Thread Michael Foord
Hello all, More fun with None, this time with the standard library - specifically with 'os.path.abspath': CPython: >>> import os >>> os.path.abspath(None) 'C:\\Program Files\\Python24' >>> IronPython: >>> import os >>> os.path.abspath(None) Traceback (most recent call last): File , line

Re: [IronPython] Patent concerns

2007-06-01 Thread M. David Peterson
On 6/1/07, Eric Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm also not a lawyer, but... I previously would have agreed about the protections in the license, but until the whole claim of 135 Patent violations in Linux clears up, I'm not sure. MS Legal needs to prove that they can be trusted. You

Re: [IronPython] Patent concerns

2007-06-01 Thread Eric Nicholson
I'm also not a lawyer, but... I previously would have agreed about the protections in the license, but until the whole claim of 135 Patent violations in Linux clears up, I'm not sure. MS Legal needs to prove that they can be trusted. -Eric On 5/31/07, M. David Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrot

Re: [IronPython] IronPython Wiki Cookbook

2007-06-01 Thread Michael Foord
Thanks guys - and thanks for the plug. Don't forget to post useful stuff! There is already some new user content (good stuff too), which is encouraging. Fuzzyman On 01/06/07, M. David Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This *ROCKS*! Hopefully this > http://www.oreillynet.com/windows/blog/200