[Pw_forum] Should we use a double bond or 2 H atoms to saturate the system?

2011-04-26 Thread Hongsheng Zhao
On 04/26/2011 08:36 AM, Laurence Marks wrote: > This is the exception, but then this is not "saturating" this is > calculating the thermodynamics of wet/hydrogenated graphene. > Saturating is, for instance, calculating a silicon surface and > terminating with hydrogen to model the bulk rather than

[Pw_forum] Should we use a double bond or 2 H atoms to saturate the system?

2011-04-26 Thread Hongsheng Zhao
On 04/26/2011 02:49 AM, Lorenzo Paulatto wrote: > Dear Hongsheng Zhao, > there are many ways to saturate the bonds, and not all of them actually > make sense in experimental conditions. The matter is discussed quite in > depth in Phys. Rev. Lett. 101, 096402 (2008). Thanks a lot for all the helps f

[Pw_forum] Should we use a double bond or 2 H atoms to saturate the system?

2011-04-26 Thread O. Baris Malcioglu
Well, you literally add the coordinates of H atoms, and the definition of H atom itself... If you are asking how I do it, depending on the system, I either write a simple script, or, if it is small enough, I extract the coordinates to a standart from, and then use a freely available "geometry edit

[Pw_forum] Should we use a double bond or 2 H atoms to saturate the system?

2011-04-26 Thread Lorenzo Paulatto
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 14:29:23 +0200, Laurence Marks wrote: > A personal opinion: saturating "bonds" with hydrogen is bad science, > just as "fixing atoms" is also bad science. These are relics of the > days when it was hard to calculate a big system, but 100's (1000's) of > atoms are no longer pa

[Pw_forum] Should we use a double bond or 2 H atoms to saturate the system?

2011-04-26 Thread Lorenzo Paulatto
In data 26 aprile 2011 alle ore 14:15:36, Hongsheng Zhao ha scritto: > - > The carbon atoms at the edges are saturated with H atoms. > -- > > So, according to the above description, what should I revise the input > file in order to saturating the edges with H atoms? Dear Hongshe

[Pw_forum] Should we use a double bond or 2 H atoms to saturate the system?

2011-04-26 Thread Hongsheng Zhao
On 04/25/2011 07:04 AM, O. Baris Malcioglu wrote: > Dear Hongsheng Zhao, > > Unless you are asking if someone ever tried forcing a particular > "bond" or aromaticity in PW explicitly (one can try to constrain some > number of KS states trying to estimate a particular bond, but I don't > think this

[Pw_forum] Should we use a double bond or 2 H atoms to saturate the system?

2011-04-26 Thread Laurence Marks
This is the exception, but then this is not "saturating" this is calculating the thermodynamics of wet/hydrogenated graphene. Saturating is, for instance, calculating a silicon surface and terminating with hydrogen to model the bulk rather than using a big, centro-symmetric slab. On Tue, Apr 26, 2

[Pw_forum] Should we use a double bond or 2 H atoms to saturate the system?

2011-04-26 Thread Laurence Marks
A personal opinion: saturating "bonds" with hydrogen is bad science, just as "fixing atoms" is also bad science. These are relics of the days when it was hard to calculate a big system, but 100's (1000's) of atoms are no longer particularly difficult. Do it right. On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 7:07 PM,

[Pw_forum] Should we use a double bond or 2 H atoms to saturate the system?

2011-04-25 Thread Hongsheng Zhao
Dear All, This issues is somehow not so pertained to the PWSCF, but a gerneral DFT modelling problem, sorry for this request on this list. We all know that the H atoms is often used to saturate the dangling bonds in the system's edge, say, for graphene nanoribbon. My issue is: as far as the

[Pw_forum] Should we use a double bond or 2 H atoms to saturate the system?

2011-04-25 Thread O. Baris Malcioglu
Dear Hongsheng Zhao, Unless you are asking if someone ever tried forcing a particular "bond" or aromaticity in PW explicitly (one can try to constrain some number of KS states trying to estimate a particular bond, but I don't think this is a good idea to do in a pw DFT code), I think you might be