Re: Disabling autolearn on given rule

2021-09-21 Thread Loren Wilton
(2) where would I go to look at building a plugin for this? Ideally something that ends up upstream, but though I can write code, I know no perl :). Well, from the few I've seen, they all seem to have a relatively constant structure. Someone pointed you to a plugin that is at least dealing in

Re: Disabling autolearn on given rule

2021-09-21 Thread Matt Corallo
On 9/21/21 18:01, Loren Wilton wrote: None of these seem to accomplish disabling learning for a specific rule I think the problem is that I believe Bayes works off of the total score, and probably only sees rule names as more tokens, if it sees them at all. If it indeed works off the total

Re: Disabling autolearn on given rule

2021-09-21 Thread Loren Wilton
None of these seem to accomplish disabling learning for a specific rule I think the problem is that I believe Bayes works off of the total score, and probably only sees rule names as more tokens, if it sees them at all. If it indeed works off the total score, about all you can do is somehow tw

Re: Message-ID with IPv6 domain-literal

2021-09-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Grant Taylor writes: > On 9/21/21 2:00 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: >> You are missing that SA is not a standards conformance test suite. It >> is a tool to guess if a message is spam. Bill said that some forms of >> Message-ID are correlated with spamminess. So whether the form that is >> correl

Re: Message-ID with IPv6 domain-literal

2021-09-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 9/21/21 2:00 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: You are missing that SA is not a standards conformance test suite. It is a tool to guess if a message is spam. Bill said that some forms of Message-ID are correlated with spamminess. So whether the form that is correlated is compliant to the spec or not

Re: Disabling autolearn on given rule

2021-09-21 Thread Matt Corallo
On 9/21/21 15:53, Benny Pedersen wrote: On 2021-09-21 22:11, Matt Corallo wrote: "tflags MAILING_LIST_MULTI noautolearn" doesn't seem like quite what I want, it just reduces the score used to decide whether to learn. There's some old bugzilla mentions asking for this feature, but it seems the r

Re: Disabling autolearn on given rule

2021-09-21 Thread Benny Pedersen
On 2021-09-21 22:11, Matt Corallo wrote: "tflags MAILING_LIST_MULTI noautolearn" doesn't seem like quite what I want, it just reduces the score used to decide whether to learn. There's some old bugzilla mentions asking for this feature, but it seems the response was "write a plugin". Is there a

Disabling autolearn on given rule

2021-09-21 Thread Matt Corallo
Hi! I recently noticed my bayes was rarely matching any spam, and it turns out this was due to autolearn=ham'ing occurring on lots of list traffic that I only occasionally read, some of which was blatant spam. Sadly, list traffic can be pretty hard to categorize and ends up getting through due

Re: Message-ID with IPv6 domain-literal

2021-09-21 Thread Greg Troxel
Grant Taylor writes: > What am I missing? You are missing that SA is not a standards conformance test suite. It is a tool to guess if a message is spam. Bill said that some forms of Message-ID are correlated with spamminess. So whether the form that is correlated is compliant to the spec o

Re: Message-ID with IPv6 domain-literal

2021-09-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 9/21/21 11:03 AM, Bill Cole wrote: Empirical evidence. The use of a non-public address in a Message-ID correlates to a message being spam. In my experience, so does using an IP literal of any sort in a Message-ID, but that may be an idiosyncrasy in my mail. Fair enough. To each their own.

Re: Message-ID with IPv6 domain-literal

2021-09-21 Thread Dave Funk
On Tue, 21 Sep 2021, Bill Cole wrote: On 2021-09-21 at 12:25:30 UTC-0400 (Tue, 21 Sep 2021 10:25:30 -0600) Grant Taylor is rumored to have said: But why the penalty for using non-public addresses* in a Message-ID: string? Empirical evidence. The use of a non-public address in a Message-ID c

Re: Message-ID with IPv6 domain-literal

2021-09-21 Thread Bill Cole
On 2021-09-21 at 12:25:30 UTC-0400 (Tue, 21 Sep 2021 10:25:30 -0600) Grant Taylor is rumored to have said: > But why the penalty for using non-public addresses* in a Message-ID: string? Empirical evidence. The use of a non-public address in a Message-ID correlates to a message being spam. In my

Re: Message-ID with IPv6 domain-literal

2021-09-21 Thread Grant Taylor
On 9/21/21 7:09 AM, Rupert Gallagher wrote: An unknown MUA (user agent header removed by sender) writes its Message-IDs as . Ew. Is the header syntactically corrext? After looking at EBNF from RFC 5322 for 90 seconds, I /think/ that it is using obs-id-right syntax. -- I say think because

Message-ID with IPv6 domain-literal

2021-09-21 Thread Rupert Gallagher
An unknown MUA (user agent header removed by sender) writes its Message-IDs as . Is the header syntactically corrext? A custom SpamAssassin rule added a penalty for syntax error, and another for using a non-public address.