Re: Botnet over aggressive?

2007-07-05 Thread Cliff Stanford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 John Rudd wrote: > The number of messages that get flagged by Botnet but aren't spam is, in > my observation across a few sites, less than one tenth of one percent. Funnily enough, the reason this came up is that Botnet was flagging messages at 5.1

Re: Botnet over aggressive?

2007-07-04 Thread John Rudd
Alex Woick wrote: John Rudd wrote: Botnet's score of 5 is meant to say "this message should be quarantined or flagged for review". It's not saying "this message is _definitely_ spam". In my opinion, this is not quite according to the concept of SpamAssassin. SA has a bunch of rules that gi

Re: Botnet over aggressive?

2007-07-04 Thread John Andersen
On Wednesday 04 July 2007, Alex Woick wrote: > One hint alone is never enough, it always > takes some of them until a threshold (5) is crossed Except in the case where ONE hint IS enough. (For some values of "hint" and some values of "enough". For instance, a high Razor2 score (the hint) is en

Re: Botnet over aggressive?

2007-07-04 Thread Alex Woick
John Rudd wrote: Botnet's score of 5 is meant to say "this message should be quarantined or flagged for review". It's not saying "this message is _definitely_ spam". In my opinion, this is not quite according to the concept of SpamAssassin. SA has a bunch of rules that give qualified hints

Re: Botnet over aggressive?

2007-07-04 Thread John Rudd
Cliff Stanford wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote: This is one of the reasons why using SA is so cool - you can customise it to suit your needs! Thanks all for all your most helpful responses. I have edited the Botnet.cf file to reduce th

Re: Botnet over aggressive?

2007-07-04 Thread Neylon:
Cliff Stanford wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote: This is one of the reasons why using SA is so cool - you can customise it to suit your needs! Thanks all for all your most helpful responses. I have edited the Botnet.cf file to reduce th

Re: Botnet over aggressive?

2007-07-04 Thread Cliff Stanford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Michele Neylon :: Blacknight wrote: > This is one of the reasons why using SA is so cool - you can customise > it to suit your needs! Thanks all for all your most helpful responses. I have edited the Botnet.cf file to reduce the score, for the time

Re: Botnet over aggressive?

2007-07-03 Thread John Rudd
René Berber wrote: John Rudd wrote: Botnet's score of 5 is meant to say "this message should be quarantined or flagged for review". It's not saying "this message is _definitely_ spam".[snip] The trouble is redundancy in scores, the BOTNET score is usually just the start of a HELO_DYNAMIC_DHC

Re: Botnet over aggressive?

2007-07-03 Thread René Berber
John Rudd wrote: > Botnet's score of 5 is meant to say "this message should be quarantined > or flagged for review". It's not saying "this message is _definitely_ > spam".[snip] The trouble is redundancy in scores, the BOTNET score is usually just the start of a HELO_DYNAMIC_DHCP,HELO_DYNAMIC_HC

Re: Botnet over aggressive?

2007-07-03 Thread Michele Neylon :: Blacknight
My take on botnet scoring, like that of any "custom" rule is that I can change the scoring to suit my requirements. Considering the kind of users we deal with adding in the "default" scores would have caused a lot of headaches, so I actually tested it with scores of 0 on all to see how many hi

Re: Botnet over aggressive?

2007-07-03 Thread John Rudd
Botnet's score of 5 is meant to say "this message should be quarantined or flagged for review". It's not saying "this message is _definitely_ spam". Lots of people lower its score to something like 2-3 if they feel it's too aggressive. I keep it at a 5, and have VERY FEW false positives.

Re: Botnet over aggressive?

2007-07-03 Thread Daniel J McDonald
On Tue, 2007-07-03 at 16:39 +0200, Cliff Stanford wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > I'm still a bit vague on how the SpamAssassin rules fit together but > I've noticed that, since upgrading to the latest version, I'm getting a > lot of false positives. > > The common ca

Botnet over aggressive?

2007-07-03 Thread Cliff Stanford
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I'm still a bit vague on how the SpamAssassin rules fit together but I've noticed that, since upgrading to the latest version, I'm getting a lot of false positives. The common cause seems to be Botnet.cf. Where a server has no reverse DNS, BOTNET_NOR