Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Paul Stead
Let's look at other communities and their responses: https://github.com/rails/rails/issues/33677 https://bugs.python.org/issue34605 https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-knodel-terminology-00.html https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/pull/10435 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=981129 I s

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Axb
so glad to read this... confirms my picture of you. now back my pet project: rewrite Tom Sawyer On 7/10/20 10:02 AM, jdow wrote: The problem is that at least one woman (me) reading this list doesn't give a tinker's damn. The intent is communicated and that's sufficient to satisfy my sensibilit

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Well "guys" is used in Northern parts of the US as a gender-neutral plural noun. The traditionally Southern US equivalent is Y'all or All Y'All. But yeah, it's likely another artifact of male-dominated culture. -- Kevin A. McGrail Member, Apache Software Foundation Chair Emeritus Apache SpamAssas

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread jdow
As a woman engineer, retired, after many years in industry even "gents" does not bother me. It goes with the territory. And if I had a dollar for every time I heard "you guys" from a woman talking to other women I'd be almost as rich as poor man Biden. Political correctness has no place in eng

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
Good day Guys On 10.07.20 09:45, Marc Roos wrote: You are being a tad discriminative, by assuming there are no ladies reading these messages. Which is highly inappropriate for the current thread. ;) I thought guys can also mean women, at least I've seen it being used that way... (on old engl

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread jdow
One should never let practicality get in the way of political correctness, right? {O,o} On 20200710 00:38:06, Olivier wrote: Axb writes: the US problems won't be fixed with renaming B&W lists. Seriously.. you have more important issues... While thet change in names will not fix any socie

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread jdow
The problem is that at least one woman (me) reading this list doesn't give a tinker's damn. The intent is communicated and that's sufficient to satisfy my sensibilities. Seems I grew up and became an adult when I wasn't looking. Things like this just wash by me as I dive in for the meat of the c

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Brent Clark
On 2020/07/10 09:45, Marc Roos wrote: Good day Guys You are being a tad discriminative, by assuming there are no ladies reading these messages. Which is highly inappropriate for the current thread. ;) LOL Touche But you right. I need to remember to start with 'Good day All'. Regards Bre

RE: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Marc Roos
>> Good day Guys You are being a tad discriminative, by assuming there are no ladies reading these messages. Which is highly inappropriate for the current thread. ;)

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Olivier
"Kevin A. McGrail" writes: > [1:text/plain Show] > > > [2:text/html Hide Save:noname (12kB)] > > Gents, Lets be inclusive and assume that some readers on the list may not be gents, so may even not be women :) Olivier

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Brent Clark
On 2020/07/10 09:38, Olivier wrote: And if SA is not upgraded, the user base will shrink and it may lead to the death of SA. Best regards, Olivier Well said. There is a lot more in play that needs to be understood to all this. Regards Brent

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Brent Clark
Good day Guys Lads you are being a tad silly. Various projects (and companies) are adopting and making the necessary change(s). You need to look and think bigger than the project itself. We don't want the SA Mailing list, the project, community to be seen as the project (or community ) that

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Olivier
Axb writes: > the US problems won't be fixed with renaming B&W lists. > Seriously.. you have more important issues... While thet change in names will not fix any societal issue, for a product like SpamAssassin that relies heavily on plugins (including some plugins that may have been developped l

RE: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Marc Roos
re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave This is foolish, we are losing control. I have nothing else to think about ... and the next one that needs to change its name is the TV series "The Blacklist"? And the next would be to delete the word "b

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Axb
On 7/10/20 9:13 AM, Gianluca Furnarotto wrote: This is foolish, we are losing control. I have nothing else to think about ... and the next one that needs to change its name is the TV series "The Blacklist"? And the next would be to delete the word "black"? wanna bet there's plans to rewrite To

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Gianluca Furnarotto
This is foolish, we are losing control. I have nothing else to think about ... and the next one that needs to change its name is the TV series "The Blacklist"? And the next would be to delete the word "black"? This is my opinion. On 10 luglio 2020 a 09:05:26, Kevin A. McGrail (kmcgr...@apache.org

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Rupert Gallagher
Whatever you do under the hood, make sure it does not affect external behaviour. On your motivation, bear in mind that *lists here contain computer addresses, not people, so the reference you are trying to fix is mistaken, and changes will be painstaking for no reason at all. And the terms mast

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-10 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Gents, while this may appear to be a response to racial tensions in the US of late, you might be surprised to learn that the project has been working on this type of change for quite some time. - We start using Blocklist at least as early as 2012 when I drafted this: https://cwiki.apache.org/confl

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-09 Thread Axb
the US problems won't be fixed with renaming B&W lists. Seriously.. you have more important issues... On 7/10/20 8:42 AM, jdow wrote: Be sure to purge every instance of "fork" in the code because it sounds too close to the other F..K word. Get the fork out of there. {O,o} i.e are you guys

Re: IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-09 Thread jdow
Be sure to purge every instance of "fork" in the code because it sounds too close to the other F..K word. Get the fork out of there. {O,o} i.e are you guys being just a little stupid here? On 20200709 21:00:37, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: IMPORTANT NOTICE If you are running trunk, we are

IMPORTANT NOTICE FOR PEOPLE RUNNING TRUNK re: [Bug 7826] Improve language around whitelist/blacklist and master/slave

2020-07-09 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
IMPORTANT NOTICE If you are running trunk, we are working on changing terms like whitelist to welcomelist and blacklist to blocklist. https://bz.apache.org/SpamAssassin/show_bug.cgi?id=7826 The first test of this work is done with allowlist_to replacing whitelist_to Committed revision 1879456.

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