Re: RBL effectiveness (was Re: Ready to throw in the towel on email providing...)

2014-07-31 Thread Matthias Leisi
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 1:06 AM, Noel Butler noel.but...@ausics.net wrote: There is no such thing as 'too big' when it comes to handling the shit storm of spam that gets spewed out of some organisations, and I'll treat Gmail and the likes the same as a ma 'n pa run outback country dialup ISP,

Re: RBL effectiveness (was Re: Ready to throw in the towel on email providing...)

2014-07-31 Thread Noel Butler
On 31/07/2014 11:36, Dave Warren wrote: There is a difference: Gmail is a very major source of wanted, legitimate mail. Most may 'n pa run outback country dialup ISPs are not. Most mail to most clients are a very major source of wanted mail Again, playing favourites is plain wrong, and it

Re: RBL effectiveness (was Re: Ready to throw in the towel on email providing...)

2014-07-30 Thread David F. Skoll
On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:34:30 +1000 Noel Butler noel.but...@ausics.net wrote: This is the exact attitude as to why they wont get off their arses, because people think they are too big to block. be damned if I care, I have blocked yahoo and gmail before, and I dare say I'll have to again

Re: RBL effectiveness (was Re: Ready to throw in the towel on email providing...)

2014-07-30 Thread Dave Warren
On 2014-07-30 06:12, David F. Skoll wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:34:30 +1000 Noel Butler noel.but...@ausics.net wrote: This is the exact attitude as to why they wont get off their arses, because people think they are too big to block. be damned if I care, I have blocked yahoo and gmail

Re: RBL effectiveness (was Re: Ready to throw in the towel on email providing...)

2014-07-30 Thread Noel Butler
On Wed, 2014-07-30 at 09:12 -0400, David F. Skoll wrote: On Wed, 30 Jul 2014 09:34:30 +1000 Noel Butler noel.but...@ausics.net wrote: This is the exact attitude as to why they wont get off their arses, because people think they are too big to block. be damned if I care, I have blocked

Re: RBL effectiveness (was Re: Ready to throw in the towel on email providing...)

2014-07-30 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Thu, 2014-07-31 at 09:06 +1000, Noel Butler wrote: Certainly have done it on employers network before (a public ISP), and would have no problem doing it again if the need arose. There is no such thing as 'too big' when it comes to handling the shit storm of spam that gets spewed out of

Re: RBL effectiveness (was Re: Ready to throw in the towel on email providing...)

2014-07-30 Thread Dave Warren
On 2014-07-30 16:06, Noel Butler wrote: Certainly have done it on employers network before (a public ISP), and would have no problem doing it again if the need arose. There is no such thing as 'too big' when it comes to handling the shit storm of spam that gets spewed out of some organisations,

RBL effectiveness (was Re: Ready to throw in the towel on email providing...)

2014-07-29 Thread David F. Skoll
On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:21:56 -0400 Dave Pooser dave...@pooserville.com wrote: We use the invaluement lists managed by Rob McEwen and have been very happy with them-- been using them for 3-4 years. A lot of blocking that doesn't overlap with Spamhaus, very few false positives, and those that

Re: RBL effectiveness (was Re: Ready to throw in the towel on email providing...)

2014-07-29 Thread Dave Pooser
RBLs are a good first line of defense, but unfortunately a lot of spam originates from servers that RBLs cannot block for political or practical resons. Think Gmail, Hotmail and Yahoo servers, for example. You need something extra to have acceptable catch rates, and the something extra

Re: RBL effectiveness (was Re: Ready to throw in the towel on email providing...)

2014-07-29 Thread Philip Prindeville
On Jul 29, 2014, at 12:29 PM, David F. Skoll d...@roaringpenguin.com wrote: On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 14:21:56 -0400 Dave Pooser dave...@pooserville.com wrote: RBLs are a good first line of defense, but unfortunately a lot of spam originates from servers that RBLs cannot block for political or

Re: RBL effectiveness (was Re: Ready to throw in the towel on email providing...)

2014-07-29 Thread Noel Butler
On 30/07/2014 04:29, David F. Skoll wrote: originates from servers that RBLs cannot block for political or practical resons. Think Gmail, Hotmail and Yahoo servers, for This is the exact attitude as to why they wont get off their arses, because people think they are too big to block. be